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Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jan 20 @ 9:26 PM ET
Jan Levine: Game 3: NJ 4 NYR 3, some thoughts following the loss Zib and lineup..
drew18
New Jersey Devils
Location: Places in the
Joined: 02.27.2015

Jan 20 @ 9:32 PM ET
Hate to see Zib go down and potentially be out like that. While a devils fan, he’s a heck of a player and the better the line ups, the better the rivalry games. Was a steal of a trade.
Fenrir
New York Rangers
Location: Jesus saves! Satan picks up the rebound...AND SCORES!!, NJ
Joined: 04.02.2015

Jan 20 @ 10:09 PM ET
Thanks Jan.
You summed it up in one line,"but why bother creating chemistry, since that will be three different line combinations in four games."
Slow start and I'm not going to go over this again since Tony did a solid job of covering that in the last thread.
way out west
Joined: 12.30.2008

Jan 21 @ 12:11 AM ET
Done with DQ I really believe the game moves to fast for him. Poor in game evaluation s
aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Brooklyn
Joined: 06.17.2010

Jan 21 @ 6:18 AM ET
Id fire Quinn, make Jacques Martin coach (since he clearly has a lot of pull) and start over. We cant treat this season like a training camp and expect next year to get any better. This team has too much money, talent and potential for it to look like a beer league team.
topshelf17
New York Rangers
Joined: 03.23.2019

Jan 21 @ 6:37 AM ET
Thanks Jan.
You summed it up in one line,"but why bother creating chemistry, since that will be three different line combinations in four games."
Slow start and I'm not going to go over this again since Tony did a solid job of covering that in the last thread.

- Fenrir


From last thread: I can’t lie I thought that vid was real too. 😂

Thanks Jan. Still haven’t given up on Quinn yet. I accepted this short season as a learning and development one and anything more like playoffs will be a bonus. I think most of us feel like that. But I think the problem is the draft picks haven’t blow anyone away. We want Laf and Kakko to show some dominance in flashes like Hughes showed the other night. Even tho he hasn’t lit up the league he has shown flashes of brilliance we haven’t seen from Laf (only 3 games I know) and especially Kakko. Us as fans are chomping at the bit to have that generational talent. By no means have I given up on anyone just having a discussion.
NYRCeph
New York Rangers
Location: DC
Joined: 11.25.2020

Jan 21 @ 6:55 AM ET
It was another game of sloppy, undisciplined play with the puck in the D zone and between the blue lines. Offense will never be able to be sustained if they cannot transition quickly and smoothly.
It does appear the Quinn is over-reacting in creating unrest in the lineup and then under-reacting to when to ride players that are clicking. These are a lot of young guys in their first couple seasons that need consistency to build their confidence. Right now it all seems haphazard on the ice.
This team needs some off ice chemistry building and on ice consistency/repetition of a simple break out system. Nothing cute or exotic until they have a couple seasons under the belt together.
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Jan 21 @ 8:09 AM ET
I see team negative is in full effect this blog. Granted alot of them were outside shots, but if Blackwell doesn't play as well, we win that game and being 2-1 is a whole different feel to the season.

Let's go about 10 games before we make any assesments on Quinn, the staff, etc. Just like last year we have a bunch of new moving pieces, our franchise goalie has played less than 20 NHL games, and we are still working out the kinks of what works and what doesn't. If after those 10 games we are still seeing alot of the same issues, I'll start joining team negative.
tbreinold
New York Rangers
Location: Branchburg, NJ
Joined: 02.14.2007

Jan 21 @ 8:19 AM ET
From last thread: I can’t lie I thought that vid was real too. 😂

Thanks Jan. Still haven’t given up on Quinn yet. I accepted this short season as a learning and development one and anything more like playoffs will be a bonus. I think most of us feel like that. But I think the problem is the draft picks haven’t blow anyone away. We want Laf and Kakko to show some dominance in flashes like Hughes showed the other night. Even tho he hasn’t lit up the league he has shown flashes of brilliance we haven’t seen from Laf (only 3 games I know) and especially Kakko. Us as fans are chomping at the bit to have that generational talent. By no means have I given up on anyone just having a discussion.

- topshelf17



Laf is going to score a lot in this league. I know he isnt jumping off the page yet, what I see is a kid who is always making the right play in all three zones and hustles all over the ice. And lets not rewrite history either, Hughes has been awesome this year, but he showed zero last year. I also like what I am seeing at of Kakko this year. The Chilly-Pizza-Cock line has been real good to start the season.

That being said I wish Kaako and Laf were lighting it up a bit more.
OLDSCHOOL#6
New York Rangers
Joined: 10.14.2007

Jan 21 @ 8:30 AM ET
I see team negative is in full effect this blog. Granted alot of them were outside shots, but if Blackwell doesn't play as well, we win that game and being 2-1 is a whole different feel to the season.

Let's go about 10 games before we make any assesments on Quinn, the staff, etc. Just like last year we have a bunch of new moving pieces, our franchise goalie has played less than 20 NHL games, and we are still working out the kinks of what works and what doesn't. If after those 10 games we are still seeing alot of the same issues, I'll start joining team negative.

- 2sticks1puck[/quote

The issue remains, the forward line combos don’t mesh. There doesn’t seem to be any chemistry, and the more Quinn jerks them around they will have a hard time establishing anything positive over the long haul.

Play LAF on Parnain right wing and leave him there. Clearly, my comments about the young man were misconstrued by some, then again, Jimbro will misconstrue anything I post. If they’re stuck with Strome, leave him at center on that line, he will not prosper anywhere else. Buch, krieder and hopefully Zib should stay together, although I like Gauthier game. The rest? Who knows, I guess leaving Chytil and Kakko is prudent, although they need to go to the net more especially Kakko
aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Brooklyn
Joined: 06.17.2010

Jan 21 @ 8:33 AM ET
Heres why I say what I say...

Usually a coach comes in and theres a system, a style, its something we can decipher within the games. However, theres none of that. I dont think anyone here can honestly tell me what style theyre playing or what kind of system theyre trying to implement. This is a problem. Atleast if these guys lost but we saw something systematic in their style that was consistent from game to game Id be less negative. Its been 3 games, 3 totally different approaches, 3 totally different results, with a constant revolving door of linemates. There is no way possible for anyone to mesh and adapt under these kinds of circumstances.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jan 21 @ 8:34 AM ET
Hate to see Zib go down and potentially be out like that. While a devils fan, he’s a heck of a player and the better the line ups, the better the rivalry games. Was a steal of a trade.
- drew18


MSG ice really sucks this year. Thank god Zib isn't out long term. Hughes looked real good for you guys. Putting on 14lbs of muscle seems to made him more confident.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 21 @ 8:39 AM ET
Id fire Quinn, make Jacques Martin coach (since he clearly has a lot of pull) and start over. We cant treat this season like a training camp and expect next year to get any better. This team has too much money, talent and potential for it to look like a beer league team.
- aecliptic


I don't agree with this at all, not yet anyway

it's not Quinn's fault management hasn't given him better options at center ice yet has 14 million in dead cap space

center is a legit problem here and its not because Quinn isn't playing the right guys, its because he hasn't been given the horses down the middle

aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Brooklyn
Joined: 06.17.2010

Jan 21 @ 8:45 AM ET
I don't agree with this at all, not yet anyway

it's not Quinn's fault management hasn't given him better options at center ice yet has 14 million in dead cap space

center is a legit problem here and its not because Quinn isn't playing the right guys, its because he hasn't been given the horses down the middle

- jimbro83


See my post above...

Im ok with them losing games, the problem is were left after each of these 3 games scratching our heads as far as what we saw.
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Jan 21 @ 8:47 AM ET
I don't agree with this at all, not yet anyway

it's not Quinn's fault management hasn't given him better options at center ice yet has 14 million in dead cap space

center is a legit problem here and its not because Quinn isn't playing the right guys, its because he hasn't been given the horses down the middle

- jimbro83


I think alot of people forget this was not a good team when Quinn took over. We've added several quality pieces since then, but even guys like the breadman have played less than a full season equivalent in our uniform. So not only have we not had the horses down the middle (and to an extent the blue line), but the pieces we have added haven't really played a ton of games together and have now missed offseason activities that could have helped find the proper combinations.

This team is far from a finished product and I'm not ready to blame Quinn yet until later in the season if things don't improve.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jan 21 @ 8:54 AM ET
See my post above...

Im ok with them losing games, the problem is were left after each of these 3 games scratching our heads as far as what we saw.

- aecliptic


I still think that this team arguably needed a real training camp and exhibition games more than any other team in the league and is still trying to sort stuff out

it's a 56 game season with 14 million in dead cap space and only 4 teams in the division make the playoffs, nobody should have any expectations

now if by the end of this crazy thing we don't see some development of Kakko and Lafreniere, yeah, I think there will be some buzzing about starting to make a coaching change

but management gave Quinn Ryan Strome, management gave Quinn Jack Johnson, they aren't firing him for playing them
NYRCeph
New York Rangers
Location: DC
Joined: 11.25.2020

Jan 21 @ 8:57 AM ET
I think alot of people forget this was not a good team when Quinn took over. We've added several quality pieces since then, but even guys like the breadman have played less than a full season equivalent in our uniform. So not only have we not had the horses down the middle (and to an extent the blue line), but the pieces we have added haven't really played a ton of games together and have now missed offseason activities that could have helped find the proper combinations.

This team is far from a finished product and I'm not ready to blame Quinn yet until later in the season if things don't improve.

- 2sticks1puck


I don't disagree with your guys sentiment. Quinn cannot be the scapegoat or only one to blame considering the youth on this team. However, I do believe he needs to respond, and he may be, to really working development and chemistry, off the ice for the youngsters. The reason I say this is because the play is very sloppy and almost discombobulated all over the ice. The play is not connecting, even for the few veterans on the team.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Jan 21 @ 8:57 AM ET
From last thread: I can’t lie I thought that vid was real too. 😂

Thanks Jan. Still haven’t given up on Quinn yet. I accepted this short season as a learning and development one and anything more like playoffs will be a bonus. I think most of us feel like that. But I think the problem is the draft picks haven’t blow anyone away. We want Laf and Kakko to show some dominance in flashes like Hughes showed the other night. Even tho he hasn’t lit up the league he has shown flashes of brilliance we haven’t seen from Laf (only 3 games I know) and especially Kakko. Us as fans are chomping at the bit to have that generational talent. By no means have I given up on anyone just having a discussion.

- topshelf17


Hughes looked so horrible last season they moved him to wing to take pressure off; and then he looked even worse. He’s completely different this year. Prospects take time. We now rush all these kids. Really the player who are ready right after the draft is extremely rare. Laf and Kak will get there. They have plenty of talent, good size and drive. It just takes time putting it together.

Yegor Sharangovich was a bottom 6 player in the AHL for us and a 5th round pick from 2018. We loaned him to the KHL and he exploded. Just put it all together and has looked legit. He’s now holding down a spot on the top line.

Don’t panic.

And you guys have a lot of veteran high end talent. We are forced to rely on these kids heavily.
Tonybere
Season Ticket Holder
New York Rangers
Location: "You will see full Mika tonight.", ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Jan 21 @ 9:00 AM ET
See my post above...

Im ok with them losing games, the problem is were left after each of these 3 games scratching our heads as far as what we saw.

- aecliptic


I think you might be mistaking not understanding the system for not witnessing a system. And, maybe I'm wrong. Not saying this in an argumentative fashion (for once ).
From what I have read and heard Quinn talk about, he is trying to implement a simple, slightly more adaptable style that is just defending with tight gaps and supporting teammates closely on the defensive side, so that when the puck is attained there can be an explosive attack by multiple players.
What he is dealing with is younger players, who to different degrees have gotten where they are on talent more so than hard work. He constantly complains that lessons are forgotten or abandoned after 1 or 2 good games. Transitioning their mindsets is a process.
That being said, it is one that can't be allowed to meander without a timetable. But overall, I feel I am seeing trends in the direction he is trying to move them.
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jan 21 @ 9:00 AM ET
I still think that this team arguably needed a real training camp and exhibition games more than any other team in the league and is still trying to sort stuff out

it's a 56 game season with 14 million in dead cap space and only 4 teams in the division make the playoffs, nobody should have any expectations

now if by the end of this crazy thing we don't see some development of Kakko and Lafreniere, yeah, I think there will be some buzzing about starting to make a coaching change

but management gave Quinn Ryan Strome, management gave Quinn Jack Johnson, they aren't firing him for playing them

- jimbro83

This is the biggest thing. Not going to win in this league with Ryan Strome as your 2nd line center and JJ in your top 4 on defense. Just not going to happen
Tonybere
Season Ticket Holder
New York Rangers
Location: "You will see full Mika tonight.", ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Jan 21 @ 9:03 AM ET
I don't disagree with your guys sentiment. Quinn cannot be the scapegoat or only one to blame considering the youth on this team. However, I do believe he needs to respond, and he may be, to really working development and chemistry, off the ice for the youngsters. The reason I say this is because the play is very sloppy and almost discombobulated all over the ice. The play is not connecting, even for the few veterans on the team.
- NYRCeph


This is true. But, take last game for example, is Quinn to be blamed for these guys simply making horrible decisions with the puck? We saw very poor puck management all game long. At the end of the day, it is the player with the stick in his hands that is responsible for the decisions they make on the ice.
tbreinold
New York Rangers
Location: Branchburg, NJ
Joined: 02.14.2007

Jan 21 @ 9:06 AM ET
I thought this season was supposed to be fast moving, what with two days off between each game.
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Jan 21 @ 9:09 AM ET
This is true. But, take last game for example, is Quinn to be blamed for these guys simply making horrible decisions with the puck? We saw very poor puck management all game long. At the end of the day, it is the player with the stick in his hands that is responsible for the decisions they make on the ice.
- Tonybere


Plus, young guys are going to make mistakes, sometimes lots of them. It's how they learn. The key is going to be whether in game 50 or even next year if they cut down on the mistakes and if they do, this team will be in good shape.

I remember last year I predicted slow start followed by buzzsaw and I think we could see something similar out of us this year. The thing working against us is the shortened season, so if it takes until game 25 or 30 for things to click then it will be way to late for this year.
Downeaster
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jan 21 @ 9:12 AM ET
I have heard from more than one source that Acacio Marques leaves something to be desired in the skate sharpening department.
NYRCeph
New York Rangers
Location: DC
Joined: 11.25.2020

Jan 21 @ 9:13 AM ET
This is true. But, take last game for example, is Quinn to be blamed for these guys simply making horrible decisions with the puck? We saw very poor puck management all game long. At the end of the day, it is the player with the stick in his hands that is responsible for the decisions they make on the ice.
- Tonybere


Agreed Fully. Player accountability is 100% needed. I stressed this in a previous post after the 1st game when people were saying "fire Quinn". The players need to be responsible for every decision they make with the puck and also being prepared to play mentally. I do not see a reason to fire Quinn at this point. I am just hoping that Quinn, Drury and the other coaches are doing a lot in the back ground that we don't see that will eventually show up on the ice.
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