Saw this as a nasty Twitter post, but...

it's Game 7, Stanley Cup Finals. Your starter just went down. Who gets the call to play in net?

Toskala
Raycroft
Hutchinson
Scrivens
Pogge
Gustavsson

Saw this as a nasty Twitter post, but...

it's Game 7, Stanley Cup Finals. Your starter just went down. Who gets the call to play in net?

Toskala
Raycroft
Hutchinson
Scrivens
Pogge
Gustavsson
- gravyface

Raycroft

Saw this as a nasty Twitter post, but...

it's Game 7, Stanley Cup Finals. Your starter just went down. Who gets the call to play in net?

Toskala
Raycroft
Hutchinson
Scrivens
Pogge
Gustavsson
- gravyface

The Zamboni driver.

I wonder if Andersen is worth on his next contract is what Murray got from the Sens recently.

Saw this as a nasty Twitter post, but...

it's Game 7, Stanley Cup Finals. Your starter just went down. Who gets the call to play in net?

Toskala
Raycroft
Hutchinson
Scrivens
Pogge
Gustavsson
- gravyface

I would put the Leafs as the best Canadian team..on paper right at this moment.

They were on pace for a 95 point season with some pretty average and below average tendin. I will assume we get a more normal'ish Andersen, and Campbell is an improvement on what they got from backups last season.

the moves so far as a whole look like they improved a little

Saw this as a nasty Twitter post, but...

it's Game 7, Stanley Cup Finals. Your starter just went down. Who gets the call to play in net?

Toskala
Raycroft
Hutchinson
Scrivens
Pogge
Gustavsson
- gravyface

The advanced stats would say that this leaf team is better without a goalie and to just run with 6 skaters.

I may have to agree if these are the options.

I would put the Leafs as the best Canadian team..on paper right at this moment.

They were on pace for a 95 point season with some pretty average and below average tendin. I will assume we get a more normal'ish Andersen, and Campbell is an improvement on what they got from backups last season.

the moves so far as a whole look like they improved a little
- senstroll

Best Canadian team is:

*spins the Corsi Wheel of Fortune*

https://www.naturalstattr...all&loc=B&gpf=410&fd=&td=


MONTREAL CANADIANS

So the Leafs finished with 1 or 2 points more than teams like Vancouver, Calgary and Winnipeg and now they're untouchable? Edmonton got 2 more points than the Leafs too.


The Leafs we're headed towards a 96 points season. 96 points is the same amount of points the Habs got 2 years ago when they missed the playoffs (granted it was the highest point total ever not to make it) but claiming the other teams are so mediocre they couldn't surpass them is arrogant and foolish.

And if you can't see how improved the Habs look on paper, you're just not giving them a fair shake. They might not be better than the Leafs, but the odds are they'll be better than last season.

In my humble opinion mind you.
- Scabeh

I think prior to last season, very few people expected the crapfest they got from the Leafs. It's certainly eroded a lot of the waning support they had. Not many expected Andersen to be that poor in net, and while there was an obvious expectation that the defense would be porous, there was the expectation that the offense generated from the back-end would compensate.

From the on-set the style did not align with the roster construction and the rest is history.

If you look at the team from December 1 to the abrupt end of the season, winning percentage among Canadian teams was (with where they were in terms of the overall placement in the league):

9. Toronto 0.607
10. Calgary 0.598
16. Vancouver 0.571
17. Edmonton 0.558
21. Winnipeg 0.534
24. Montreal 0.478
29. Ottawa 0.443

If you skip ahead and look from January onwards, it's probably a more realistic picture of the how the teams performed last year:

6. Edmonton 0.638
8. Calgary 0.607
18. Toronto 0.552
19. Vancouver 0.552
21. Winnipeg 0.532
25. Montreal 0.468
30. Ottawa 0.403

To your point, I don't know if Montreal is improved enough on paper to make the jump from a team that was consistently in the lower third of the league last year, but we'll see. My concerns for Montreal: I don't trust Price. He was very good in the playoffs, so who knows? If Anderson is the Anderson of 2018, you'll be dangerous. If Anderson is the next David Clarkson, then you have my condolences. Suzuki and Kotkaniemi did well in the playoffs, but I'm concerned they're not quite ready to hold the load of your top centres through an NHL season yet.

To the other points - Vancouver is getting better, but they've lost Markstrom who carried a lot of their mistakes last year. Is Demko going to be able to be the same guy he was in the playoffs last year (hint: no), or is he going to level to being better than he was in the season, but not what Markstrom was?

Winnipeg has not addressed their D. If they can trade Laine for a stud defender, then maybe. Hellebuyck is a great goalie, but he'll need more help before he burns out. Also losing Laine would weaken their offense considerably. I feel a bit like the Jets time be on the downside.

Ottawa is getting better, but they're not ready yet. They've been drafting well, but I think they're probably still at least 2 years away since they haven't grabbed an elite franchise type guy.

Edmonton: It's hard to bet against Draisaitl and McDavid in any case - but they are largely a two-person team. The rest of the team is ok (Getting Turris & Ennis cheap again was great. Bear will be good, I think; I like Nurse; I like Yamamoto; Neal has his use on the PP only . . .; Barrie should help their PP, but God help them with that goaltending and Barrie on D) but their goaltending is a steaming pile.

Calgary: Strictly based on recency bias, they have definitely improved in net, and Tanev is not much different than Bodie in terms of defensive competency. Gio is getting older, which sucks. Hanifin is getting older which can only help him. Their offense is still very fluid and fast. I think they're a pretty good team, and the add of Markstrom probably makes them the team to beat in Canada.

Toronto: I think Brodie probably gives them what they really need in defense, and it hopefully stabilizes a top-4 that was in flux with little identity last year. The team spent half the season trying to insulate Tyson Barrie from his defensive issues. They are definitely going to score less than they did. With Ceci gone and his replacement in a more diminished role, and Barrie replaced by Brodie, they should prevent a lot more than they were. I think that's the bet the team is making.

I mean, those are my opinions. Based on where the rosters are, and my thoughts, I'd still go:

Calgary
Toronto
Vancouver
Edmonton
Montreal
Winnipeg
Ottawa

Best Canadian team is:

*spins the Corsi Wheel of Fortune*

https://www.naturalstattr...all&loc=B&gpf=410&fd=&td=


MONTREAL CANADIANS
- Garnie

if they had some players who could score, Id agree

I think prior to last season, very few people expected the crapfest they got from the Leafs. It's certainly eroded a lot of the waning support they had. Not many expected Andersen to be that poor in net, and while there was an obvious expectation that the defense would be porous, there was the expectation that the offense generated from the back-end would compensate.

From the on-set the style did not align with the roster construction and the rest is history.

If you look at the team from December 1 to the abrupt end of the season, winning percentage among Canadian teams was (with where they were in terms of the overall placement in the league):

9. Toronto 0.607
10. Calgary 0.598
16. Vancouver 0.571
17. Edmonton 0.558
21. Winnipeg 0.534
24. Montreal 0.478
29. Ottawa 0.443

If you skip ahead and look from January onwards, it's probably a more realistic picture of the how the teams performed last year:

6. Edmonton 0.638
8. Calgary 0.607
18. Toronto 0.552
19. Vancouver 0.552
21. Winnipeg 0.532
25. Montreal 0.468
30. Ottawa 0.403

To your point, I don't know if Montreal is improved enough on paper to make the jump from a team that was consistently in the lower third of the league last year, but we'll see. My concerns for Montreal: I don't trust Price. He was very good in the playoffs, so who knows? If Anderson is the Anderson of 2018, you'll be dangerous. If Anderson is the next David Clarkson, then you have my condolences. Suzuki and Kotkaniemi did well in the playoffs, but I'm concerned they're not quite ready to hold the load of your top centres through an NHL season yet.

To the other points - Vancouver is getting better, but they've lost Markstrom who carried a lot of their mistakes last year. Is Demko going to be able to be the same guy he was in the playoffs last year (hint: no), or is he going to level to being better than he was in the season, but not what Markstrom was?

Winnipeg has not addressed their D. If they can trade Laine for a stud defender, then maybe. Hellebuyck is a great goalie, but he'll need more help before he burns out. Also losing Laine would weaken their offense considerably. I feel a bit like the Jets time be on the downside.

Ottawa is getting better, but they're not ready yet. They've been drafting well, but I think they're probably still at least 2 years away since they haven't grabbed an elite franchise type guy.

Edmonton: It's hard to bet against Draisaitl and McDavid in any case - but they are largely a two-person team. The rest of the team is ok (Getting Turris & Ennis cheap again was great. Bear will be good, I think; I like Nurse; I like Yamamoto; Neal has his use on the PP only . . .; Barrie should help their PP, but God help them with that goaltending and Barrie on D) but their goaltending is a steaming pile.

Calgary: Strictly based on recency bias, they have definitely improved in net, and Tanev is not much different than Bodie in terms of defensive competency. Gio is getting older, which sucks. Hanifin is getting older which can only help him. Their offense is still very fluid and fast. I think they're a pretty good team, and the add of Markstrom probably makes them the team to beat in Canada.

Toronto: I think Brodie probably gives them what they really need in defense, and it hopefully stabilizes a top-4 that was in flux with little identity last year. The team spent half the season trying to insulate Tyson Barrie from his defensive issues. They are definitely going to score less than they did. With Ceci gone and his replacement in a more diminished role, and Barrie replaced by Brodie, they should prevent a lot more than they were. I think that's the bet the team is making.

I mean, those are my opinions. Based on where the rosters are, and my thoughts, I'd still go:

Calgary
Toronto
Vancouver
Edmonton
Montreal
Winnipeg
Ottawa
- Monkeypunk

The problem is if Rielly or Muzzin goes down so does their partner.

Then we’re (frank)ed, hoping TJ is better then Barrie may help.

if they had some players who could score, Id agree
- senstroll

Just bad luck and poor goaltending 🤷🏻‍♂️

I think prior to last season, very few people expected the crapfest they got from the Leafs. It's certainly eroded a lot of the waning support they had. Not many expected Andersen to be that poor in net, and while there was an obvious expectation that the defense would be porous, there was the expectation that the offense generated from the back-end would compensate.

From the on-set the style did not align with the roster construction and the rest is history.

If you look at the team from December 1 to the abrupt end of the season, winning percentage among Canadian teams was (with where they were in terms of the overall placement in the league):

9. Toronto 0.607
10. Calgary 0.598
16. Vancouver 0.571
17. Edmonton 0.558
21. Winnipeg 0.534
24. Montreal 0.478
29. Ottawa 0.443

If you skip ahead and look from January onwards, it's probably a more realistic picture of the how the teams performed last year:

6. Edmonton 0.638
8. Calgary 0.607
18. Toronto 0.552
19. Vancouver 0.552
21. Winnipeg 0.532
25. Montreal 0.468
30. Ottawa 0.403

...

I mean, those are my opinions. Based on where the rosters are, and my thoughts, I'd still go:

Calgary
Toronto
Vancouver
Edmonton
Montreal
Winnipeg
Ottawa
- Monkeypunk

So wait a minute, a more realistic view of where they are includes the period where the Leafs had major injuries on defense and Ander7en put up numbers nearly identical to Hutchinson for most of that time period?

I think prior to last season, very few people expected the crapfest they got from the Leafs. It's certainly eroded a lot of the waning support they had. Not many expected Andersen to be that poor in net, and while there was an obvious expectation that the defense would be porous, there was the expectation that the offense generated from the back-end would compensate.

From the on-set the style did not align with the roster construction and the rest is history.

If you look at the team from December 1 to the abrupt end of the season, winning percentage among Canadian teams was (with where they were in terms of the overall placement in the league):

9. Toronto 0.607
10. Calgary 0.598
16. Vancouver 0.571
17. Edmonton 0.558
21. Winnipeg 0.534
24. Montreal 0.478
29. Ottawa 0.443

If you skip ahead and look from January onwards, it's probably a more realistic picture of the how the teams performed last year:

6. Edmonton 0.638
8. Calgary 0.607
18. Toronto 0.552
19. Vancouver 0.552
21. Winnipeg 0.532
25. Montreal 0.468
30. Ottawa 0.403

To your point, I don't know if Montreal is improved enough on paper to make the jump from a team that was consistently in the lower third of the league last year, but we'll see. My concerns for Montreal: I don't trust Price. He was very good in the playoffs, so who knows? If Anderson is the Anderson of 2018, you'll be dangerous. If Anderson is the next David Clarkson, then you have my condolences. Suzuki and Kotkaniemi did well in the playoffs, but I'm concerned they're not quite ready to hold the load of your top centres through an NHL season yet.

To the other points - Vancouver is getting better, but they've lost Markstrom who carried a lot of their mistakes last year. Is Demko going to be able to be the same guy he was in the playoffs last year (hint: no), or is he going to level to being better than he was in the season, but not what Markstrom was?

Winnipeg has not addressed their D. If they can trade Laine for a stud defender, then maybe. Hellebuyck is a great goalie, but he'll need more help before he burns out. Also losing Laine would weaken their offense considerably. I feel a bit like the Jets time be on the downside.

Ottawa is getting better, but they're not ready yet. They've been drafting well, but I think they're probably still at least 2 years away since they haven't grabbed an elite franchise type guy.

Edmonton: It's hard to bet against Draisaitl and McDavid in any case - but they are largely a two-person team. The rest of the team is ok (Getting Turris & Ennis cheap again was great. Bear will be good, I think; I like Nurse; I like Yamamoto; Neal has his use on the PP only . . .; Barrie should help their PP, but God help them with that goaltending and Barrie on D) but their goaltending is a steaming pile.

Calgary: Strictly based on recency bias, they have definitely improved in net, and Tanev is not much different than Bodie in terms of defensive competency. Gio is getting older, which sucks. Hanifin is getting older which can only help him. Their offense is still very fluid and fast. I think they're a pretty good team, and the add of Markstrom probably makes them the team to beat in Canada.

Toronto: I think Brodie probably gives them what they really need in defense, and it hopefully stabilizes a top-4 that was in flux with little identity last year. The team spent half the season trying to insulate Tyson Barrie from his defensive issues. They are definitely going to score less than they did. With Ceci gone and his replacement in a more diminished role, and Barrie replaced by Brodie, they should prevent a lot more than they were. I think that's the bet the team is making.

I mean, those are my opinions. Based on where the rosters are, and my thoughts, I'd still go:

Calgary
Toronto
Vancouver
Edmonton
Montreal
Winnipeg
Ottawa
- Monkeypunk

So you’re saying Leafs win.

The Zamboni driver.
- bixll

I mean, those are my opinions. Based on where the rosters are, and my thoughts, I'd still go:

Calgary
Toronto
Vancouver
Edmonton
Montreal
Winnipeg
Ottawa
- Monkeypunk

Id go

Toronto
Montreal
Calgary
Edmonton
Winnipeg/Vancouver
Ottawa

I think prior to last season, very few people expected the crapfest they got from the Leafs. It's certainly eroded a lot of the waning support they had. Not many expected Andersen to be that poor in net, and while there was an obvious expectation that the defense would be porous, there was the expectation that the offense generated from the back-end would compensate.

From the on-set the style did not align with the roster construction and the rest is history.

If you look at the team from December 1 to the abrupt end of the season, winning percentage among Canadian teams was (with where they were in terms of the overall placement in the league):

9. Toronto 0.607
10. Calgary 0.598
16. Vancouver 0.571
17. Edmonton 0.558
21. Winnipeg 0.534
24. Montreal 0.478
29. Ottawa 0.443

If you skip ahead and look from January onwards, it's probably a more realistic picture of the how the teams performed last year:

6. Edmonton 0.638
8. Calgary 0.607
18. Toronto 0.552
19. Vancouver 0.552
21. Winnipeg 0.532
25. Montreal 0.468
30. Ottawa 0.403

To your point, I don't know if Montreal is improved enough on paper to make the jump from a team that was consistently in the lower third of the league last year, but we'll see. My concerns for Montreal: I don't trust Price. He was very good in the playoffs, so who knows? If Anderson is the Anderson of 2018, you'll be dangerous. If Anderson is the next David Clarkson, then you have my condolences. Suzuki and Kotkaniemi did well in the playoffs, but I'm concerned they're not quite ready to hold the load of your top centres through an NHL season yet.

To the other points - Vancouver is getting better, but they've lost Markstrom who carried a lot of their mistakes last year. Is Demko going to be able to be the same guy he was in the playoffs last year (hint: no), or is he going to level to being better than he was in the season, but not what Markstrom was?

Winnipeg has not addressed their D. If they can trade Laine for a stud defender, then maybe. Hellebuyck is a great goalie, but he'll need more help before he burns out. Also losing Laine would weaken their offense considerably. I feel a bit like the Jets time be on the downside.

Ottawa is getting better, but they're not ready yet. They've been drafting well, but I think they're probably still at least 2 years away since they haven't grabbed an elite franchise type guy.

Edmonton: It's hard to bet against Draisaitl and McDavid in any case - but they are largely a two-person team. The rest of the team is ok (Getting Turris & Ennis cheap again was great. Bear will be good, I think; I like Nurse; I like Yamamoto; Neal has his use on the PP only . . .; Barrie should help their PP, but God help them with that goaltending and Barrie on D) but their goaltending is a steaming pile.

Calgary: Strictly based on recency bias, they have definitely improved in net, and Tanev is not much different than Bodie in terms of defensive competency. Gio is getting older, which sucks. Hanifin is getting older which can only help him. Their offense is still very fluid and fast. I think they're a pretty good team, and the add of Markstrom probably makes them the team to beat in Canada.

Toronto: I think Brodie probably gives them what they really need in defense, and it hopefully stabilizes a top-4 that was in flux with little identity last year. The team spent half the season trying to insulate Tyson Barrie from his defensive issues. They are definitely going to score less than they did. With Ceci gone and his replacement in a more diminished role, and Barrie replaced by Brodie, they should prevent a lot more than they were. I think that's the bet the team is making.

I mean, those are my opinions. Based on where the rosters are, and my thoughts, I'd still go:

Calgary
Toronto
Vancouver
Edmonton
Montreal
Winnipeg
Ottawa
- Monkeypunk

I think that's a fair, (very long) analysis of the situation. Although I'm surprised in your lack of faith on Price despite finally getting a decent backup that will allow him to rest.

Basically, each of these teams have their flaws and depending on how things click or if injuries occur, they could all move up or down the standings.

I don't see anyone there setting themselves apart from the rest of the grou...

Well except for Ottawa, they can stay in the basement alone.

I can't even guess what the standings would look like, it's a total crapshoot to me.

The problem is if Rielly or Muzzin goes down so does their partner.

Then we’re (frank)ed, hoping TJ is better then Barrie may help.


- Garnie

Last season for sure, we saw that when Muzzin was out for the playoffs that were not the playoffs,but the stats count as playoff stats.

I hope that adding Brodie, Bogo and Lehtonen makesa difference. and we dont have to see Marincin

Id go

Toronto
Montreal
Calgary
Edmonton
Winnipeg/Vancouver
Ottawa
- senstroll

I'd go

Toronto
...
...
...
Calgary/Winnipeg/Edmonton
Ottawa/Vancouver/Montreal

Last season for sure, we saw that when Muzzin was out for the playoffs that were not the playoffs,but the stats count as playoff stats.

I hope that adding Brodie, Bogo and Lehtonen makesa difference. and we dont have to see Marincin
- senstroll

I like Holl, but #’s plummeted during reg season without Muzz.

Not sold on Bogo but 3rd pairing not too worried at the moment. But he could end up being Rielly’s P.

I like Holl, but #’s plummeted during reg season without Muzz.

Not sold on Bogo but 3rd pairing not too worried at the moment. But he could end up being Rielly’s P.
- Garnie

also, if they are in a good position...they will be able to make some cap space over the season and possibly add another player

Mayo is a perfectly good fries dip
- TheMussel

also, if they are in a good position...they will be able to make some cap space over the season and possibly add another player
- senstroll

Yep, hopefully not needed 🥰

What scares me is that both sides are existentially terrified that the other side will win. There will be absolute meltdowns on both sides. Republicans naturally scare me a whole lot more because of their religious fervor and gun zeal.

Whatever happens, I'm hoping for a landslide one way or the other (preferably for Biden). If this election is close there's going to be anarchy and chaos to the max.
- mjones242

Yeah man. They're fighting over...what, exactly? The two sides can't take a look around and realize what they have in common and be grateful. They're fighting over pronouns and twitter flame wars and what Starbucks puts on their cups during the winter. First world problems.

So wait a minute, a more realistic view of where they are includes the period where the Leafs had major injuries on defense and Ander7en put up numbers nearly identical to Hutchinson for most of that time period?
- Aetherial

In a way, yes. What happens if Muzzin gets hurt again? We will have the same type of defensive situation. He doesn't much of an injury history, but he's going to be 32, so they'll happen a bit more often. I think this year they are more poised to recover from an injury because there is more depth (Sandin, Liljegren, Rosen . . .should all be called up before Marincin). I also think that you won't have a guy who is clearly being outworked and outmuscled constantly with no one to support him against tough competition - like Barrie.

That said, at its core, this is the same team that has too many forwards who don't want to play defense, and they have gone out and added guys who are older and just not as capable of playing 2-way defense as they used to be. They have the offense in the top-6 to compensate, and they have probably slightly improved their already potent PP with Thornton being included.

There is some minor toughness added, but the Leafs really need to have guys who are key pieces learning to be tougher in general. Matthews started to show it against Columbus. We need more of _that_. If the presence of Simmonds or Bogosian can lend itself to the Leafs feeling bigger or tougher, then that's great. But really we just need them to learn to want to play through the tough parts of the game.

In all honesty, until they learn to do this in the top-6, they likely aren't going to take the next step forward injuries as an excuse or not.