Michael Stuart: GM Bracket Battle: McCrimmon vs. Bergevin

McPhee built that team Johnny come lately deserves little credit

McPhee built that team Johnny come lately deserves little credit
- Uncle Hab

pretty much, this one is stupid. How can we judge him? Maybe give him a few years? And even then, he started with gold. Vegas was already a contender when he came in.

McPhee built that team Johnny come lately deserves little credit
- Uncle Hab

He was the AGM, pretty sure he had a big hand in building that team.

pretty much, this one is stupid. How can we judge him? Maybe give him a few years? And even then, he started with gold. Vegas was already a contender when he came in.
- deadpoulet

He was there from the start.

pretty much, this one is stupid. How can we judge him? Maybe give him a few years? And even then, he started with gold. Vegas was already a contender when he came in.
- deadpoulet

Nobody felt that way after Vegas’ initial draft. They were chosen to finish dead last. This has become such revisionist history. Please, go back and read some of those articles before their 1st season began. Find me one where they were gifted a 100 point season after the expansion draft, but before a puck dropped.

None of those guys were proven outside of MAF, Perron, and Neal and people believed them to be pretty far along the back 9. MAF was the only one of them with a little panache still left to his name. Let’s just take a look at a couple of the guys who made their inaugural season special.

Pittsburgh said “Here. Take this old fart MAF from us and you can have our 2nd. Just don’t touch these guys over here.”

Marchessault was an up and coming 3rd liner Who was believed by some to be a possible diamond in the rough, but even Florida wasn’t sold. In fact, in exchange for them picking Marchessault instead of someone else, they basically GAVE them Reilly Smith (another guy who showed some talent, but who didn’t seem to be panning out as initially hoped). Both of them went on to career years. They were nothing special at the time. March was just developing his knack for scoring goals, but defensively was atrocious. Believe it or not, this was the ONE GUY they were hanging their hat on after the expansion draft. Their big star acquisition. Wheee! He really wasn’t rockin anyone’s world in 2007. Few knew him other than Fantasy owners who were pickin him up off the scrap heap that year as a shiny new piece they hadn’t heard of prior because they were riding a hot hand.

Haula had like 26 points the season before. Nobody expected what Vegas juiced from him. In fact, the Wild wanted him gone so bad that they said “please! Take Haula instead of some of our more valuable talent, and we’ll GIVE you Tuch all for your 3rd rounder”. Oof.

Columbus basically paid Vegas off in draft picks to take their underachieving William Karlsson away. He was coming off of a career best 25 points with 6 goals in Ohio. He scored 43 on his way to compiling 78 points in the desert. NOBODY saw this coming.

Nathan Schmidt I actually happened to like because I saw him here in DC, but he was a 7th defenseman looking for a chance. 99% of hockey fans had never heard of him. Hell, most Caps fans other than their die hards wouldn’t have known he came from their team.

Trevor vanReimsdyk? Are you kidding? Did he have 20 points in a year before that? That would be fine if he was a defensive wunderkind, but he wasn’t.

Anaheim BEGGED VGK to take Stoner’s cap hit so badly that they threw in Shea Theodore. D’oh! Totally unknown commodity by everyone in the league in 2017.

Up and down that draft we’re misfits, has beens, and ‘never will be’s. They were never picked to win anything. A finish above cellar dwelling was considered an achievement before the 1st puck dropped.


So yeah, the AGM deserves a LOT of credit when it comes to their success.

He was there from the start.
- Michael_Stuart

not as the gm

He was the AGM, pretty sure he had a big hand in building that team.
- sensarmy_11

We don't know how much say he had, that's the point. It's supposed to be a debate between GMS.

We don't know how much say he had, that's the point. It's supposed to be a debate between GMS.
- deadpoulet

Ooooh, my bad. You were just pointing out that he was the assistant and not the head boss man.

I’m so used to everyone female doging and complaining about how Vegas was gifted a team, that I figured you were doing the same, and I picked the wrong battle.

Apologies.

Nobody felt that way after Vegas’ initial draft. They were chosen to finish dead last. This has become such revisionist history. Please, go back and read some of those articles before their 1st season began. Find me one where they were gifted a 100 point season after the expansion draft, but before a puck dropped.

None of those guys were proven outside of MAF, Perron, and Neal and people believed them to be pretty far along the back 9. MAF was the only one of them with a little panache still left to his name. Let’s just take a look at a couple of the guys who made their inaugural season special.

Pittsburgh said “Here. Take this old fart MAF from us and you can have our 2nd. Just don’t touch these guys over here.”

Marchessault was an up and coming 3rd liner Who was believed by some to be a possible diamond in the rough, but even Florida wasn’t sold. In fact, in exchange for them picking Marchessault instead of someone else, they basically GAVE them Reilly Smith (another guy who showed some talent, but who didn’t seem to be panning out as initially hoped). Both of them went on to career years. They were nothing special at the time. March was just developing his knack for scoring goals, but defensively was atrocious. Believe it or not, this was the ONE GUY they were hanging their hat on after the expansion draft. Their big star acquisition. Wheee! He really wasn’t rockin anyone’s world in 2007. Few knew him other than Fantasy owners who were pickin him up off the scrap heap that year as a shiny new piece they hadn’t heard of prior because they were riding a hot hand.

Haula had like 26 points the season before. Nobody expected what Vegas juiced from him. In fact, the Wild wanted him gone so bad that they said “please! Take Haula instead of some of our more valuable talent, and we’ll GIVE you Tuch all for your 3rd rounder”. Oof.

Columbus basically paid Vegas off in draft picks to take their underachieving William Karlsson away. He was coming off of a career best 25 points with 6 goals in Ohio. He scored 43 on his way to compiling 78 points in the desert. NOBODY saw this coming.

Nathan Schmidt I actually happened to like because I saw him here in DC, but he was a 7th defenseman looking for a chance. 99% of hockey fans had never heard of him. Hell, most Caps fans other than their die hards wouldn’t have known he came from their team.

Trevor vanReimsdyk? Are you kidding? Did he have 20 points in a year before that? That would be fine if he was a defensive wunderkind, but he wasn’t.

Anaheim BEGGED VGK to take Stoner’s cap hit so badly that they threw in Shea Theodore. D’oh! Totally unknown commodity by everyone in the league in 2017.

Up and down that draft we’re misfits, has beens, and ‘never will be’s. They were never picked to win anything. A finish above cellar dwelling was considered an achievement before the 1st puck dropped.


So yeah, the GM deserves a LOT of credit when it comes to their success.
- Hesh_

No we agree upon this, but my point is that George McPhee was the gm at the time and built that team as the gm. He made a contender out of this team, not the next guy.

No we agree upon this, but my point is that George McPhee was the gm at the time and built that team as the gm. He made a contender out of this team, not the next guy.
- deadpoulet

Yeah, sorry, go up one post. You were prolly quoting all that mess when I wrote it

Ooooh, my bad. You were just pointing out that he was the assistant and not the head boss man.

I’m so used to everyone female doging and complaining about how Vegas was gifted a team, that I figured you were doing the same, and picked the wrong battle.

Apologies.
- Hesh_

Yep. I think Vegas did great and I don't agree with the bashing they get. But if it's going to be a debate between GMS, it should be between guys that have been in that role for a while. Maybe he had a lot to say as an assistant, but how should I know this?

Wow, I’ve been a HockeyBuzz comment section reader for at least seven years now, and this of all topics is the one that gets me to join. Often people post things that are incorrect and I’m OK with it because eventually someone calls them out. But you are all horribly misinformed here. It was widely reported and repeated several times in interviews by McPhee that he and McCrimmon split the league 50/50 to evaluate which players to pluck off teams For the expansion draft. McCrimmon was responsible for half the expansion draft roster. Do we know which teams? No. But you guys are wrongly giving him no credit when he actually did half the lifting for the expansion draft. Most GMs in the league inherited over half their team. Shame on all of you. Can’t believe this is what elicited my first comment on HockeyBuzz.

Wow, I’ve been a HockeyBuzz comment section reader for at least seven years now, and this of all topics is the one that gets me to join. Often people post things that are incorrect and I’m OK with it because eventually someone calls them out. But you are all horribly misinformed here. It was widely reported and repeated several times in interviews by McPhee that he and McCrimmon split the league 50/50 to evaluate which players to pluck off teams For the expansion draft. McCrimmon was responsible for half the expansion draft roster. Do we know which teams? No. But you guys are wrongly giving him no credit when he actually did half the lifting for the expansion draft. Most GMs in the league inherited over half their team. Shame on all of you. Can’t believe this is what elicited my first comment on HockeyBuzz.
- Sats Mundin

What do you mean by all? Seems split. I happen to agree with the Sens fan. An AGM of about expansion likely has quite a hand in its building.

That’s kind of the gig.

What do you mean by all? Seems split. I happen to agree with the Sens fan. An AGM of about expansion likely has quite a hand in its building.

That’s kind of the gig.
- Hesh_

My ‘all’ comment may have been me exaggerating, but it was also an intentional double entendres, shaming you all for finally making me post on HockeyBuzz , which at the same time pokes fun at myself

so....

Who do people like around the 28-31 draft rankings.