Michael Stuart: Can Ottawa Take Advantage of Vancouver's Cap Troubles?

Boeser for Isles 1st plus two seconds and Balcers...

Boeser for Isles 1st plus two seconds and Balcers...
- kaptaan

That's already an overpriced trade for boeser. I would take him for a steal of a deal but not give away most of our picks as he is injury prone. Hes is not worth a 1st round imo in 2020 with a deep draft. Would rather get an excellent forward to add to our rebuild. Canucks are looking for a top 4 D-men in a possible trade for boeser

Ottawa's wealth of picks in a deep draft and their cap space should net them a couple NHLers and shorten their rebuild. They are in an enviable position for a rebuilding team!

Ottawa's wealth of picks in a deep draft and their cap space should net them a couple NHLers and shorten their rebuild. They are in an enviable position for a rebuilding team!
- HenryHockey

In fact,with all that cap space, you should take Boeser along with Louie Eriksson (Nuks retain $2M) and just give them one of your 2nds. and Balcers

Michael Stuart: Can Ottawa Take Advantage of Vancouver's Cap Troubles?
- Michael_Stuart

I would wait and see with Calgary they are going to have a fire sale if they are knocked out first round. They are in a cap crunch aswell as Canucks. I could definently consider Johnny Gaudreau for first rounder than boeser. He also has same term.

In fact,with all that cap space, you should take Boeser along with Louie Eriksson (Nuks retain $2M) and just give them one of your 2nds. and Balcers


- HenryHockey

Woah... Louie, Sutter, Virtanen, and Boeser for the Isles 1st and highest 2nd they got...

There are at least 10 teams with heavy duty CAP pressures.

There are very few teams with the picks, prospects and, most important, the free CAP space the Sens are able to offer in possible trade negotiations.

Vancouver is a possible trade partner. But, so are Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg and Toronto. And, that is just the Canadian teams. Love the potential for a deal with Tampa.

Strong believer that the Sens should be patient and wait for the market to come to them. If, for example, should the Sens make it known they were prepared to offer up as much as a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for an RFA (or young player already signed to a long term deal).

Boeser would not be at the top of my list of targets.

There are at least 10 teams with heavy duty CAP pressures.

There are very few teams with the picks, prospects and, most important, the free CAP space the Sens are able to offer in possible trade negotiations.

Vancouver is a possible trade partner. But, so are Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg and Toronto. And, that is just the Canadian teams. Love the potential for a deal with Tampa.

Strong believer that the Sens should be patient and wait for the market to come to them. If, for example, should the Sens make it known they were prepared to offer up as much as a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for an RFA (or young player already signed to a long term deal).

Boeser would not be at the top of my list of targets.
- spatso

Fair enough. Where do you see the best potential for the Sens? What targets when push comes to shove for teams needing to get compliant?

Fair enough. Where do you see the best potential for the Sens? What targets when push comes to shove for teams needing to get compliant?
- kaptaan

If you looked at a BPA approach regardless of position and focussed on teams that were seriously CAP challeged, my primary target would be one of the following players.

Barzal (NYI)
Cirelli (Tampa)
Nylander (Toronto)

Sergachev (Tampa)
Dunn (St Louis)
Marner (Toronto)

I think Boeser makes a lot of sense with Tkatchuk and Byfield/Stutzle.

I think this involve the 5hth pick overall to and Thatcher Demko.

Ottawa need a goalie more than anything with only Soogard and Guvtasson that is failing lately. a good 4 years behind any good news in goal.

First Boeser is worth a lot but not as much as an 40 goal scorer. I think he is but he had a soft 2 and 3rd year.

Boeser vs 5th pick 2020 is a good start 2 high quality asset and maybe the Drysdale partner to Quinn Hughes that would be HHUGGGEE.

Then I even see it as an upgrade since I always think that Quinn cant be the only guy in vancouver they need a solid nu2 and Drysdale Oh boy is that all over.

Hell be cheap as good as a skater than Quinn and 2 line could be supported for major offense.

Then there is Demko which is to good for a backup and team supposely (thats a bit questionnable) want markstrom long term.

Ottawa will have either their 3rd first pick of a high prospect like Drake Batherson to flip. Batherson is a Boeser less type of player. A good sniper but more a 2nd liner with 30 goals upside.

Ottawa to give

5th pick overall 2020
1rst pick of the Islanders 2020
+2nd rounder 2020 o 2021
Drake Batherson
Filip Guvtavsson or Mad Soogard


Vancouver to give
Demko + Boeser

ISnt that in the best interest of both team player and team respectfully?

I think Boeser makes a lot of sense with Tkatchuk and Byfield/Stutzle.

I think this involve the 5hth pick overall to and Thatcher Demko.

Ottawa need a goalie more than anything with only Soogard and Guvtasson that is failing lately. a good 4 years behind any good news in goal.

First Boeser is worth a lot but not as much as an 40 goal scorer. I think he is but he had a soft 2 and 3rd year.

Boeser vs 5th pick 2020 is a good start 2 high quality asset and maybe the Drysdale partner to Quinn Hughes that would be HHUGGGEE.

Then I even see it as an upgrade since I always think that Quinn cant be the only guy in vancouver they need a solid nu2 and Drysdale Oh boy is that all over.

Hell be cheap as good as a skater than Quinn and 2 line could be supported for major offense.

Then there is Demko which is to good for a backup and team supposely (thats a bit questionnable) want markstrom long term.

Ottawa will have either their 3rd first pick of a high prospect like Drake Batherson to flip. Batherson is a Boeser less type of player. A good sniper but more a 2nd liner with 30 goals upside.

Ottawa to give

5th pick overall 2020
1rst pick of the Islanders 2020
+2nd rounder 2020 o 2021
Drake Batherson
Filip Guvtavsson or Mad Soogard


Vancouver to give
Demko + Boeser

ISnt that in the best interest of both team player and team respectfully?
- Nyckolas9

Wow to much , I think the 5 oa + ottawa second would be enough

I'm on the fence about Boeser. I think he would be a very decent top 6 option but I am not sure about trading a 1st round pick for him.

I don't think it should be Ottawa's priority to help other teams cap troubles by giving up assets for players other teams determine are expendable.

If the deal is purely a cap move where Ottawa doesn't give up huge assets, then by all means, do it. If it is more of a "hockey deal" I would be more tentative. This team won't be competitive for another 2-3 years and will have some contract work to do around that time.

Of all the cap strapped teams, the only player I'd give up assets for is Mitch Marner. Otherwise, stick to the plan.

Wow to much , I think the 5 oa + ottawa second would be enough
- Crosside

Personnality this 5th pick of yours is way to much overvalued.

Demko is a goaltender for 10 years already farm...
So is Boeser...

Both of them worth more than a mid first rounder. The islander pick + a 2nd wont close any of those 2 player FYI.

Indeed that Vancouver will give 2 main core player (top 6 of the team) for 10 years and plus for less than what I wrote... I even think ottawa need to pay more.

I'm on the fence about Boeser. I think he would be a very decent top 6 option but I am not sure about trading a 1st round pick for him.

I don't think it should be Ottawa's priority to help other teams cap troubles by giving up assets for players other teams determine are expendable.

If the deal is purely a cap move where Ottawa doesn't give up huge assets, then by all means, do it. If it is more of a "hockey deal" I would be more tentative. This team won't be competitive for another 2-3 years and will have some contract work to do around that time.

Of all the cap strapped teams, the only player I'd give up assets for is Mitch Marner. Otherwise, stick to the plan.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

If a mid first round pick that is exceding all expectation so fa with 161/197 first games in his junior phase of his career isnt worth a First round Pick. You would sell all of your players you hold since you dont value nhl experience at all. Pro are quoting him a 40 goal scorers.

I hope you revise your thinking and dont read the trades near the borderline that are for me absurd.. you have to be in the twillight of reality ahahah if you think Boeser isnt worth a 1rst round pick hahaha

If a mid first round pick that is exceding all expectation so fa with 161/197 first games in his junior phase of his career isnt worth a First round Pick. You would sell all of your players you hold since you dont value nhl experience at all. Pro are quoting him a 40 goal scorers.

I hope you revise your thinking and dont read the trades near the borderline that are for me absurd.. you have to be in the twillight of reality ahahah if you think Boeser isnt worth a 1rst round pick hahaha
- Nyckolas9

Where did we get this guy?

Personnality this 5th pick of yours is way to much overvalued.

Demko is a goaltender for 10 years already farm...
So is Boeser...

Both of them worth more than a mid first rounder. The islander pick + a 2nd wont close any of those 2 player FYI.

Indeed that Vancouver will give 2 main core player (top 6 of the team) for 10 years and plus for less than what I wrote... I even think ottawa need to pay more.
- Nyckolas9

The 5 is not the isles pick. Demko have good number in ahl but in the game he play in the nhl was ok, Vancouver probably lost him free for Seatle. Like you said a pairing of Hughes and Drysdale have value. Benning want to trade Boeser for cap space, wich team with cap space gonna offer the equivalent of Drysdale

The teams that have cap problems are not dealing from a position of strength but the Sens are. So why should we give them fair value for the assets they're trying to move.

Anthony DeAngelo for #5 overall

If a mid first round pick that is exceding all expectation so fa with 161/197 first games in his junior phase of his career isnt worth a First round Pick. You would sell all of your players you hold since you dont value nhl experience at all. Pro are quoting him a 40 goal scorers.

I hope you revise your thinking and dont read the trades near the borderline that are for me absurd.. you have to be in the twillight of reality ahahah if you think Boeser isnt worth a 1rst round pick hahaha
- Nyckolas9

The teams that have cap problems are not dealing from a position of strength but the Sens are. So why should we give them fair value for the assets they're trying to move.
- granpa

I think this is entirely correct. Sens need to let the market come to them.

Say, for the purpose of comparison, the best RFA available from a CAP strapped team is Barzal. Would you give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to sign him to an 8 x 8 contract?

If the best young player on an existing long term deal is Marner, would you take on that huge contract and give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to do a deal?

How much would you scale back the offer if the target is Cirelli or Boeser?

Sens can comfortably afford to pay top price. But they can scale back the bid once they find out who is actually available to them.

If a mid first round pick that is exceding all expectation so fa with 161/197 first games in his junior phase of his career isnt worth a First round Pick. You would sell all of your players you hold since you dont value nhl experience at all. Pro are quoting him a 40 goal scorers.

I hope you revise your thinking and dont read the trades near the borderline that are for me absurd.. you have to be in the twillight of reality ahahah if you think Boeser isnt worth a 1rst round pick hahaha
- Nyckolas9

But the Sens have more leverage than that. The Canucks are in no position to dictate terms. There are only a few teams with the room to take on a deal like Boesner's 5.875mm AVV. If the Sens wait and one of the other teams with room like the Red Wings or Kings take on deals, then there will be even less space available to dump players which would give the Sens even more leverage.

If a mid first round pick that is exceding all expectation so fa with 161/197 first games in his junior phase of his career isnt worth a First round Pick. You would sell all of your players you hold since you dont value nhl experience at all. Pro are quoting him a 40 goal scorers.

I hope you revise your thinking and dont read the trades near the borderline that are for me absurd.. you have to be in the twillight of reality ahahah if you think Boeser isnt worth a 1rst round pick hahaha
- Nyckolas9

You're a (frank)ing idiot dude

RFA offer sheet compensation is set out clearly. It gives you a good feel for what might be fair value if you are trying to set up a deal for young player.

$1,395,053 or below None
Over $1,395,054 to $2,113,716 Third Round
Over $2,113,717 to $4,227,437 Second Round
Over $4,227,438 to $6,341,152 First Round & Third Round
Over $6,341,153 to $8,454,871 First Round, Second Round, and Third Round
Over $8,454,872 to $10,568,589 Two First Rounds, Second Round, and Third Round
Over $10,568,590 Four First Rounds

So using the RFA compensation guidelines Boeser would be a 1st and a 3rd.

Nylander would be a 1st and a 3rd as well,

Cirelli would likely be a 1st and 3rd,

Marner would be 2 1sts plus a 2nd and a 3rd.

Most deals tend to be negotiated at less than the RFA compensation guideline.

I think, for example the Marner contract actually reduces his trade value in any deal.

But the Sens have more leverage than that. The Canucks are in no position to dictate terms. There are only a few teams with the room to take on a deal like Boesner's 5.875mm AVV. If the Sens wait and one of the other teams with room like the Red Wings or Kings take on deals, then there will be even less space available to dump players which would give the Sens even more leverage.
- Only_A_Ladd

The Canucks don't have to trade Boeser. Lots of other options to make things work. He's just one of their best trade chips if they want to get a good, young D back. Again, they don't have to.