You run a business right?

You take over the business and keep the current staff, because being an owner of a sports team is different.
(Darcy and lindy)

Then you hire an all time favorite employee, guy was great on the sales floor, but management is difficult and he quits. (La la)

Before he quits, he hires an abrasive dueshe bag, who was good a lower level position, but clearly in over his head. (Tmgm)

So then your sick of pee pee slapping and other low budget language. You hire someone that at the very least is cordial in conversation. A natural progression, assistant gm ,now gm . (Botts)

So your flat out sick of "hockey geniuses" but really like a long time employee . Why not give him a shot. (Kagm)

They have been testing the market even when botts was here.

If nothing else, kagm is a friendly respectable hockey guy
- Boss34

This shouldn't matter, but the premise of this post is something I can agree with.
Try something new, because what you (Tim and Kerry) have done hasn't worked thus far.

99 times out of 100, you are not getting the best when you promote within, you are getting a known though
- homiedclown

Are you talking sports or in general?

You run a business right?


- Boss34

yes and when I have people working for me, I always am looking for a better person when I am not pleased with the result


when I have an opening, I don't just fill it with a body


which goes back to me saying they stuck with a known, rather then trying to get the best person

Are you talking sports or in general?
- kingcong39

probably both


if you promote your best cashier to be a manager, he/she may be an ok manager but you can almost always find someone better if you look

Please don't go to the 'you're not a real fan' thing. It's such a sh1tty basis of an argument.

We all invest in the product, whether it be our time, money or both. Fans deserve to be rewarded for their investment. That reward should be that the owner is open minded and doing everything within their power to win. Or lose for Jack Eichel. To eventually win.
- TheSabresTaco

Money spends better than time. If we all just spent time and no one showed up at the arena and gave our distant opinions there would be no Sabres to complain about.

By the way, Kim Pagula has only been team president since 2018 and has been getting blamed for what happened the 7 years prior to that when Russ Brandon was removed for personal misconduct. Two years and there has been a lot of changes. It may not work out but I'm not throwing daggers yet.

probably both

if you promote your best cashier to be a manager, he/she may be an ok manager but you can almost always find someone better if you look
- homiedclown

I believe you are way overstating the number being 99 out of 100.

I have seen just as many outside hires fail as I have internally promoted employees fail, and just as many of each succeed.

It's a coin flip either way.

Thats not true lol... tell that to all the gm and coaches that have won cups
- gerbe75pts

didn't know we tanked for eichel to become a lab rat franchise (experiment with unknowns)


it's not like we are just missing out on the playoffs, we are not even close, always a bottom 8 franchise

I believe you are way overstating the number being 99 out of 100.

I have seen just as many outside hires fail as I have internally promoted employees fail, and just as many of each succeed.

It's a coin flip either way.
- kingcong39

yes it is a gamble, but you can explore to get better odds

Money spends better than time. If we all just spent time and no one showed up at the arena and gave our distant opinions there would be no Sabres to complain about.

By the way, Kim Pagula has only been team president since 2018 and has been getting blamed for what happened the 7 years prior to that when Russ Brandon was removed for personal misconduct. Two years and there has been a lot of changes. It may not work out but I'm not throwing daggers yet.
- GilPerreault11

who oversaw Brandon during those years?

I can certainly give them credit for hiring them, just as I can fault them for not finding their Sabres counterparts.

But isn't every hire truly a luck of the draw? When you hire outside people, you truly don't know what you will be getting. You can look at resumes and skill sets, but you don't know how they will translate to your org or business.

Hence why I use the word luck.
- TheSabresTaco

I think we're on the same page.

I really like kagm. Like the local connection, like his personality and really like that the pegula's should trust him with hiring. It's almost as if they want him to manage generally 🤔

I would be shocked if they didnt hire another hockey guy to help prior to the draft/next season.

Need to make a splash, but why now?
Splash it as you send out the season ticket invoice...

Lucked into mcbeane, but chose the wrong hockey management?

Why isnt the Sabres hires unlucky?


Although I agree with most of your post 👍
- Boss34

Because they've swung and missed so many times. Even the worst slicer of the golf ball hits it down the middle every once in a while.

yes it is a gamble, but you can explore to get better odds
- homiedclown

Uhh, nice location...?

who oversaw Brandon during those years?
- homiedclown

Terry P from Florida a lot of the time my guess with his wife by his side and good thing they caught the corrupt bastard

This shouldn't matter, but the premise of this post is something I can agree with.
Try something new, because what you (Tim and Kerry) have done hasn't worked thus far.
- TheSabresTaco

Making a profit is the bottom line apparently. And should be in business. Having good cheerful employees makes business life much much easier to deal with.

I'm already buying into kagm because he's likeable.

*I'm the fan that likes players/coaches based on off ice situations as well as on ice.



Should sell tickets and make it easy to communicate from their regular yacht while the super yacht is on hold.

Terry P from Florida a lot of the time my guess with his wife by his side and good thing they caught the corrupt bastard
- GilPerreault11

and the athletic article said they need to keep their lifestyle


running the sabres is a full time job, owning them is not


she needs to pick a lane

yes and when I have people working for me, I always am looking for a better person when I am not pleased with the result


when I have an opening, I don't just fill it with a body


which goes back to me saying they stuck with a known, rather then trying to get the best person
- homiedclown

What if they think he's a known and 'can be' the best person. Why is the narrative that they simply hired a guy because they know him personally? Why does that need to be true?

yes and when I have people working for me, I always am looking for a better person when I am not pleased with the result


when I have an opening, I don't just fill it with a body


which goes back to me saying they stuck with a known, rather then trying to get the best person
- homiedclown

Fair enough, but have you ever promoted from within?

Maybe someone that is working exceptionally hard, regardless of the situation surrounding he/she?

Maybe so the employee doesnt leave your business?

Familiarity is a human response.

They hired so many coaches and gms, they probably have a rolodex of information on available outside hires.

Money spends better than time. If we all just spent time and no one showed up at the arena and gave our distant opinions there would be no Sabres to complain about.

By the way, Kim Pagula has only been team president since 2018 and has been getting blamed for what happened the 7 years prior to that when Russ Brandon was removed for personal misconduct. Two years and there has been a lot of changes. It may not work out but I'm not throwing daggers yet.
- GilPerreault11

What she's done for the on ice product, as owners and now as president, has been ziltch, since 2011.

probably both


if you promote your best cashier to be a manager, he/she may be an ok manager but you can almost always find someone better if you look
- homiedclown

Better maybe, but more trustworthy?

After 9 years, you have built trust.

I can certainly give them credit for hiring them, just as I can fault them for not finding their Sabres counterparts.

But isn't every hire truly a luck of the draw? When you hire outside people, you truly don't know what you will be getting. You can look at resumes and skill sets, but you don't know how they will translate to your org or business.

Hence why I use the word luck.
- TheSabresTaco

But if your owner doesn't get out of the way, doesnt matter your resume as a GM, cause they won't let you do your job

and the athletic article said they need to keep their lifestyle


running the sabres is a full time job, owning them is not


she needs to pick a lane
- homiedclown

I think the lifestyle means not donating millions after millions year after year to the Sabres so you can pick a lane of picking the hard stuff to drink or beer while streaming the games for free.

Money spends better than time. If we all just spent time and no one showed up at the arena and gave our distant opinions there would be no Sabres to complain about.

By the way, Kim Pagula has only been team president since 2018 and has been getting blamed for what happened the 7 years prior to that when Russ Brandon was removed for personal misconduct. Two years and there has been a lot of changes. It may not work out but I'm not throwing daggers yet.
- GilPerreault11

Way too reasonable of a post....

Making a profit is the bottom line apparently. And should be in business. Having good cheerful employees makes business life much much easier to deal with.

I'm already buying into kagm because he's likeable.

*I'm the fan that likes players/coaches based on off ice situations as well as on ice.



Should sell tickets and make it easy to communicate from their regular yacht while the super yacht is on hold.
- Boss34

I loved Tim Murray because every time he opened his files, there wasn't a (frank) that existed. But I'd rather him be competent than likable. Just my opinion I suppose. Not saying KA isn't competent. Just a general statement.

Better maybe, but more trustworthy?

After 9 years, you have built trust.
- Boss34

It was heavily quoted that a lot of their previous employees abused their trust. So, here we are.

But if your owner doesn't get out of the way, doesnt matter your resume as a GM, cause they won't let you do your job
- Buff36

There is that. I noted that in my book on the previous page.