Michael Stuart: Dorion's Best Trade: The Final Countdown

Michael Stuart: Dorion's Best Trade: The Final Countdown
- Michael_Stuart

1000% the karlsson deal. Cant wait for the draft. Thanks sharks.

Trade up to get Jack Quinn !!
or take Seth Jarvis !

Brady Tkachuk - Josh Norris - Drake Batherson
Lucas Raymond - Tim Stutzle - Jack Quinn

My order of players (best for Sens)

01. Stutzle
02. Byfield (#1C is a need, but I feel Sens will mishandle his dev't)
03. Raymond
04. Rossi
05. Perfetti
06. Holtz
07. Drysdale
08. Quinn
09. Sanderson
10. Askarov
11. Jarvis
12. Lappiere (if health is no issue)
13. Holloway
14. Guhle

I voted for Karlsson (either Byfield or Stutzle) a huge return plus, plus, plus.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...nley-cups-nhl-trade-tree/

A long way to go to see if the Sens can pull as much from the Karlsson trade tree as Quebec/Colorado did with the Lindros deal. But the start is pretty ambitious so far.

It is a huge ask to think of Byfield or Stutzle in the same context as Forsberg. But, so far the secondary pieces in the deal are very strong.

Trade up to get Jack Quinn !!
or take Seth Jarvis !

Brady Tkachuk - Josh Norris - Drake Batherson
Lucas Raymond - Tim Stutzle - Jack Quinn


- AlfieisKing

I like the Jarvis pick. But he has been shooting up the rankings really fast. Seen him start coming in as high as 12. Some really great talent available from 9 through 20.
Lapierre might be the best high risk/ high reward shot with the Islanders pick.

I voted for the Pageau trade for the simple fact that it was a great trade at the time it was made....it didn't require 2 years of hindsight, and a lot of luck, to become a great trade.

obviously the Karlsson trade will help the team more, but it wasn't as good of a trade at the time it was made

^this, also the reason I voted earlier for the Dzingel one

Trade up to get Jack Quinn !!
or take Seth Jarvis !

Brady Tkachuk - Josh Norris - Drake Batherson
Lucas Raymond - Tim Stutzle - Jack Quinn


- AlfieisKing

Garrioch think we gonna trade the Isles pick for a young established player. Coming from the mouth piece of Dorion. Good chance this happening

Garrioch think we gonna trade the Isles pick for a young established player. Coming from the mouth piece of Dorion. Good chance this happening
- Crosside

Marner, no.

Nylander, yes

Cirelli, yes+

There are some huge hurting teams with the CAP fixed at $81m for two years, no compliance buy outs and with Seattle drafting next year.

Leafs are probably in the worst shape, followed by Tampa. Islanders are a mess and the Sens could likely get Pageau back for a second.

Dorion has done good!

I voted for the Pageau trade for the simple fact that it was a great trade at the time it was made....it didn't require 2 years of hindsight, and a lot of luck, to become a great trade.

obviously the Karlsson trade will help the team more, but it wasn't as good of a trade at the time it was made
- sensarmy_11

Agreed. Need to judge the trade when it was made, not with hindsight.

Who ever winds up winning will just be a usurper to the Dzingel trade.


I'm still bitter.

Trade up to get Jack Quinn !!
or take Seth Jarvis !

Brady Tkachuk - Josh Norris - Drake Batherson
Lucas Raymond - Tim Stutzle - Jack Quinn


- AlfieisKing

The lowest I've heard quinn dropping is to 12th. So,

How much would you pay?

Isles pick (15th), Columbus second, Senators third?

Is this enough? To steep?

I was hoping for Lafreniere and Byfield in this draft so it was pretty disappointing in my opinion but....

I have this weird feeling like LA is going to take Stutzle leaving the door open for us to grab Byfield.

Both him and Byfield are going to be great draft picks.

Drysdale I think is the way to go for the other pick. That could give Ottawa one of the best D core's in the NHL in the next 3-4 years if they develop well.

Rossi would be a nice pick up too.

I'm curious if there is anyway to make some trades to move up in the draft to be able to get Byfield (or Stutzle) at #3, Drysdale at #5 and somehow get Rossi as well.

With the players we already have and those three, Ottawa would be in great shape moving forward.

This poll isn't going to be close.

My order of players (best for Sens)

01. Stutzle
02. Byfield (#1C is a need, but I feel Sens will mishandle his dev't)
03. Raymond
04. Rossi
05. Perfetti
06. Holtz
07. Drysdale
08. Quinn
09. Sanderson
10. Askarov
11. Jarvis
12. Lappiere (if health is no issue)
13. Holloway
14. Guhle
- AlfieisKing

I know many here are against selecting a D, but I wonder if the isles pick winds up top 15 if the sens would lean towards drysdale at 5 knowing they could get a potentially elite forward like Quinn, Jarvis or Zary with the later pick

This poll isn't going to be close.
- Only_A_Ladd

I’m pretty surprised to be honest, I went with the pageau trade myself as someone already said it looked like robbery from the start where the Karlsson trade was widely panned by fans and media alike when it was made. Took an incredible amount of luck for every piece to wind up the way it did.

The idea that you have to compare results of a deal based on the immediate return is nutz. By this standard Ottawa won the trade with Colorado for Duchene. Calgary got fleeced when they gave up Joe Nieuendyk for a prospect.

Teams that are going for "it" trade prospects and/or picks for accomplished players. Rebuild teams trade players for picks and/or prospects. How can anybody say you have to measure the result on the day of deal. Would not some of you making investment decisions on the stock market.

I was hoping for Lafreniere and Byfield in this draft so it was pretty disappointing in my opinion but....

I have this weird feeling like LA is going to take Stutzle leaving the door open for us to grab Byfield.

Both him and Byfield are going to be great draft picks.

Drysdale I think is the way to go for the other pick. That could give Ottawa one of the best D core's in the NHL in the next 3-4 years if they develop well.

Rossi would be a nice pick up too.

I'm curious if there is anyway to make some trades to move up in the draft to be able to get Byfield (or Stutzle) at #3, Drysdale at #5 and somehow get Rossi as well.

With the players we already have and those three, Ottawa would be in great shape moving forward.
- Maverick1818

if you draft Byfield it would be completely redundant and pointless to draft rossi…...would much prefer to take Raymond or Drysdale.

if you get stutzle at 3 (who's likely a LW in the NHL instead of a C) then it makes sense to take Byfield

I know many here are against selecting a D, but I wonder if the isles pick winds up top 15 if the sens would lean towards drysdale at 5 knowing they could get a potentially elite forward like Quinn, Jarvis or Zary with the later pick
- RedC21

I would prefer they take 2 elite forwards at 3 and 5, and then "reach" on someone like Barron with the isles pick

The idea that you have to compare results of a deal based on the immediate return is nutz. By this standard Ottawa won the trade with Colorado for Duchene. Calgary got fleeced when they gave up Joe Nieuendyk for a prospect.

Teams that are going for "it" trade prospects for picks and/or accomplished players. Rebuild teams trade players for picks and prospects. How can anybody say you have to measure the result on the day of deal.
- spatso

Conversely, basing it solely off end results can be equally narrow sighted.

If so, the Alex Auld trade would be the best trade in Sens history, since it yielded Mark Stone. (a 6th round pick at the time)

if you draft Byfield it would be completely redundant and pointless to draft rossi…...would much prefer to take Raymond or Drysdale.

if you get stutzle at 3 (who's likely a LW in the NHL instead of a C) then it makes sense to take Byfield
- sensarmy_11

I think you meant that differently (Rossi maybe?)

Who ever winds up winning will just be a usurper to the Dzingel trade.


I'm still bitter.
- david22

Agreed

Conversely, basing it solely off end results can be equally narrow sighted.

If so, the Alex Auld trade would be the best trade in Sens history, since it yielded Mark Stone. (a 6th round pick at the time)
- david22

I don't discount the luck factor.

However, when a team is clearly trading for futures, you have to allow some time to assess the value of the future asset.