So a lower half 2nd line winger is worth the 11th highest salary in the league? Yikes
- Fattony1187

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What would be have to include for Seattle to take skins off our hands?

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What would be have to include for Seattle to take skins off our hands?
- Boss34

he had a bad season with a new head coach...it happens

don't know if anyone posted Wheeler's top-10 goalie prospects, but here's the bit on 6K:



8. Ukko-Pekka Luukkonen, G, 21 (Buffalo Sabres — 54th overall, 2017)

Luukkonen’s 2018-2019 season went about as well as you could have hoped for. He was the OHL’s Most Outstanding Player (the third goalie in more than 60 years to do so). He backstopped Finland to gold at the world juniors, where he was named to the tournament all-star team. And then in his first professional start in North America, he made 32 saves on 34 shots in a 4-2 win for the Rochester Americans over the Belleville Senators. So expectations were understandably sky high as he turned pro full-time. Most everyone expected more out of him than what he gave at the AHL level, where he struggled across 10 more games. He was, however, pretty strong in his time in the ECHL. And a sporadic rookie season in the AHL shouldn’t outright change opinions on his merits as a legitimate goalie prospect. These things take time. Most goalie prospects spend three or four years in the AHL before making the jump. I saw him get cleanly beat a few times this year, where he froze on good shots (the kinds of shots he’s going to see in the NHL) and that’s never a good sign but he’s a big, athletic goalie who fills a lot of the net, makes tough saves when he’s on, and should only improve.

So, based on Bosses post not much more than Pomms numbers on the years right before retirement. Impressive. Let's give him a HUGE raise.
- GilPerreault11

Did i say to give him a HUGE raise?
Idk what u consider that?
But a guy who scores 60+ points is gonna get paid
You should be comparing what you’d pay him to other 60ish point guys that have signed recently
Nylander seems like a reasonable comp

So a lower half 2nd line winger is worth the 11th highest salary in the league? Yikes
- Fattony1187

He said he was worth his salary this year?

It says during a career worst sh%, bad linemates, and decreased PP time, he still statistically was a good top 6 player.

Expect the goals/assists to rebound

Oh and I guess the games Ullmark lost were normal operations. Get off the Hutton lost everything. He’s a backup that is one of the best in the league. I’ll say if the Sabres want to dump him there will be numerous takers. You are barking up the wrong tree
- Camel

I won't go so far as to say he cost them a playoff spot because the Sabres would have still been on the fringe, at best, for a WC spot, but I will absolutely say that Hutton literally (I literally mean literally here) cost the Sabres a spot in the play-in round.

First, Ullmark and Hutton were on totally different levels, and you will see Hutton was not a good backup (he played only 3 fewer games than Ullmark), let alone one of the best in the league:

Player Age GP GS W L T/O GA SA SV SV% GAA
Ullmark 26 34 34 17 14 3 91 1066 975 0.915 2.69
Hutton 34 31 30 12 14 4 94 918 824 0.898 3.18

Second, I can tell you exactly when Hutton cost the Sabres a shot at playing more hockey this year. Here's a string of 11 straight losses from 10/24/19 to 1/11/20:


Would the Sabres have won all those games with an NHL goalie instead of Hutton? Of course not (they blew his 3 good games after all), but they certainly would have won some of them, and that would have put them ahead of at least the Habs. Hutton was spectacularly bad during this stretch!

We also know the Sabres would have won more of those games with an NHL goalie because between 10/24 and 12/19 Ullmark started 16 games and won 8 of them.

There were a lot of things wrong with the Sabres that prevented them from having an opportunity for more hockey (or 1OA pick), and Hutton was absolutely one of them.

interesting interview with player agent steve bartlett on the instigators...he was asked about the 10% deferral for nhl players...the question was, how would it effect the salary cap...for instance, jack makes $10M but defers 10%, is his cap-hit $9M or does it remain the same?

bartlett didn't have a definitive answer but you know teams like Tampa and T.O. would love to have a scenario where that 10% deferral comes off the cap-hit for next season
- Michael Pachla

I was wondering that too

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- Michael Ghofrani

Jw

I won't go so far as to say he cost them a playoff spot because the Sabres would have still been on the fringe, at best, for a WC spot, but I will absolutely say that Hutton literally (I literally mean literally here) cost the Sabres a spot in the play-in round.

First, Ullmark and Hutton were on totally different levels, and you will see Hutton was not a good backup (he played only 3 fewer games than Ullmark), let alone one of the best in the league:

Player Age GP GS W L T/O GA SA SV SV% GAA
Ullmark 26 34 34 17 14 3 91 1066 975 0.915 2.69
Hutton 34 31 30 12 14 4 94 918 824 0.898 3.18

Second, I can tell you exactly when Hutton cost the Sabres a shot at playing more hockey this year. Here's a string of 11 straight losses from 10/24/19 to 1/11/20:


Would the Sabres have won all those games with an NHL goalie instead of Hutton? Of course not (they blew his 3 good games after all), but they certainly would have won some of them, and that would have put them ahead of at least the Habs. Hutton was spectacularly bad during this stretch!

We also know the Sabres would have won more of those games with an NHL goalie because between 10/24 and 12/19 Ullmark started 16 games and won 8 of them.

There were a lot of things wrong with the Sabres that prevented them from having an opportunity for more hockey (or 1OA pick), and Hutton was absolutely one of them.
- JetpackJesus

Somebody sees the light.

Even without a 2C a goalie that could stop a beachball would have had us in the dance.

Oh well I’d rather take my shot at 8th overall and get it right this offseason and be even better in the future because of it.

So a lower half 2nd line winger is worth the 11th highest salary in the league? Yikes
- Fattony1187

Where EXACTLY did i say that??
Solid foxnews level comprehension there

What i said was,
we should expect him to bounce back
(And to be clear,
I meant his goal totals particularly)

Reed moor sur

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What would be have to include for Seattle to take skins off our hands?
- Boss34

Probably nothing after he drops 35ish goals next year

Oh and I guess the games Ullmark lost were normal operations. Get off the Hutton lost everything. He’s a backup that is one of the best in the league. I’ll say if the Sabres want to dump him there will be numerous takers. You are barking up the wrong tree
- Camel

Camel when you go on a 13 game losing streak, your not a good backup. When you lose 25 games your not doing your job. Is it all him no, but he is not one of the best backups in the league. And yes he wins 2 of those games during that 13 game losing streak we are in the play-in Rnd.

He said he was worth his salary this year?

It says during a career worst sh%, bad linemates, and decreased PP time, he still statistically was a good top 6 player.

Expect the goals/assists to rebound
- sbroads24

^^^this
Thought it was pretty clear...
guess not to some

Probably nothing after he drops 35ish goals next year
- jdfitz77

He is a volume shooter. Nothing more, nothing less.

And that contract will kill us when Dahlin, Cozens, Joker, UPL/Portillo, and whomever we take this year need to get paid.

By then he'll be an overpaid 3rd liner.

He is a volume shooter. Nothing more, nothing less.

And that contract will kill us when Dahlin, Cozens, Joker, UPL/Portillo, and whomever we take this year need to get paid.

By then he'll be an overpaid 3rd liner.
- Pegullaville

Whoever we take this year isn’t getting paid for at least 4years
Cozens has 3 years before he gets paid

And none of these guys except Dahlin is getting a huge 2nd contract

UPL & Portillo are even further away from MAYBE getting big $$$


Also... we’re most likely stuck with Skinner
Time to get over it dude

Whoever we take this year isn’t getting paid for at least 4years
Cozens has 3 years before he gets paid

UPL & Portillo are even further away

And none of these guys except Dahlin is getting a huge 2nd contract

Also... we’re most likely stuck with Skinner
Time to get over it dude
- jdfitz77

I just find it odd as hell that they continuously bring up the contract as if we disagree he’s overpaid. He’s overpaid. We’ve all said it since the minute he signed this deal.

He’s also super good still and not old

I just find it odd as hell that they continuously bring up the contract as if we disagree he’s overpaid. He’s overpaid. We’ve all said it since the minute he signed this deal.

He’s also super good still and not old
- sbroads24

For me, it’s just pointless to argue about even

For Sam... it makes sense to discuss if he’s worth the contract he’ll be signing

Just makes more sense to me to cheer for Skinner to bounce back than to constantly b!tch about him

For me, it’s just pointless to argue about even

For Sam... it makes sense to discuss if he’s worth the contract he’ll be signing

Just makes more sense to me to cheer for Skinner to bounce back than to constantly b!tch about him
- jdfitz77

Sam is the better player, will also have more years of prime left.

So why be weary of his contract number and not Okposo 2.0

I just find it odd as hell that they continuously bring up the contract as if we disagree he’s overpaid. He’s overpaid. We’ve all said it since the minute he signed this deal.

He’s also super good still and not old
- sbroads24

if skinner spends the next season on jack's line and scores at a 50 goal per season clip, is he under paid?

For me, it’s just pointless to argue about even

For Sam... it makes sense to discuss if he’s worth the contract he’ll be signing

Just makes more sense to me to cheer for Skinner to bounce back than to constantly b!tch about him
- jdfitz77

sabres win the cup in 6 games, people will b!tch they did not win it in 4 or 5 games

Sabres are set up nicely for the Seattle expansion draft. They don’t have enough players worth a damn to make it difficult deciding who to keep. This musta been the positive things Kim was talking about Botts. Could bring in two big name players via trade or free agency and still be all set the way I see it. Might kickstart the trade market if culture isn’t canceled forever. My god the Flames HAve to keep Lucic.

Probably nothing after he drops 35ish goals next year
- jdfitz77

Standard wager again?

I won't go so far as to say he cost them a playoff spot because the Sabres would have still been on the fringe, at best, for a WC spot, but I will absolutely say that Hutton literally (I literally mean literally here) cost the Sabres a spot in the play-in round.

First, Ullmark and Hutton were on totally different levels, and you will see Hutton was not a good backup (he played only 3 fewer games than Ullmark), let alone one of the best in the league:

Player Age GP GS W L T/O GA SA SV SV% GAA
Ullmark 26 34 34 17 14 3 91 1066 975 0.915 2.69
Hutton 34 31 30 12 14 4 94 918 824 0.898 3.18

Second, I can tell you exactly when Hutton cost the Sabres a shot at playing more hockey this year. Here's a string of 11 straight losses from 10/24/19 to 1/11/20:


Would the Sabres have won all those games with an NHL goalie instead of Hutton? Of course not (they blew his 3 good games after all), but they certainly would have won some of them, and that would have put them ahead of at least the Habs. Hutton was spectacularly bad during this stretch!

We also know the Sabres would have won more of those games with an NHL goalie because between 10/24 and 12/19 Ullmark started 16 games and won 8 of them.

There were a lot of things wrong with the Sabres that prevented them from having an opportunity for more hockey (or 1OA pick), and Hutton was absolutely one of them.
- JetpackJesus

You spent way too much time typing. I won’t. You are also barking up the wrong tree. Spend some time looking at stats for goal scorers for other teams vs Sabres scorers. Blaming the goalie for some of these losses Is as insane as saying if skinner scored goals based on his salary the Sabres would have easily made the playoffs.

You spent way too much time typing. I won’t. You are also barking up the wrong tree. Spend some time looking at stats for goal scorers for other teams vs Sabres scorers. Blaming the goalie for some of these losses Is as insane as saying if skinner scored goals based on his salary the Sabres would have easily made the playoffs.
- Camel

Goal differential matters. Not amount of goals scored.

We scored enough goals and defended well enough to be a playoff team with the current roster construction.

Would it be beneficial to score more goals ? Absolutely. Still doesn’t change the fact that we were a good enough team to make the playoffs with better goaltending.

if skinner spends the next season on jack's line and scores at a 50 goal per season clip, is he under paid?
- homiedclown

If he scored 50 goals I’ll never post on here again