James Tanner: Sorry But Shane Doan Isn't Worthy of Even HOF Consideration

James Tanner: Sorry But Shane Doan Isn't Worthy of Even HOF Consideration
- James_Tanner

Kaberle for HOF?

Sorry James, but Shane Doan put on an absolute CLINIC on Mantracker. He pretty much carried his brother over the finish line. That alone warrants HOF consideration.

Good lord he doesn't deserve one vote.

Even if he was one of those players that had those stats, but got lucky and won a few cups he still wouldn't deserve it. The guy got past the 1st round once in 20 years.

Doan played 1500+ games. Scored 400+ goals. Was a leader, a captain, a physical presence, had international success. Scored 20+ goals in 13 different years. It's not good enough for me, but to suggest someone be fired for merely mentioning him? Overreact much?

Meanwhile, you are supporting Kaberle. Let's see. He played 984 games. Doan has 500+ on him. He put up 563 points or about a 45-point pace. Solid offensively, but nothing too special. His defense was OK, again, nothing special. He wasn't physical. He didn't stand out as an exceptional leader. Never came close to winning a personal award. Played on the top pair for a few years but was never recognized as being elite among his peers. Probably better suited as #2 or #3.

So you get fired for mentioning Doan but you think Kaberle belongs. Makes zero sense. I wonder if Doan being a vocal Christian conservative has anything to do with it...

Doan played 1500+ games. Scored 400+ goals. Was a leader, a captain, a physical presence, had international success. Scored 20+ goals in 13 different years. It's not good enough for me, but to suggest someone be fired for merely mentioning him? Overreact much?

Meanwhile, you are supporting Kaberle. Let's see. He played 984 games. Doan has 500+ on him. He put up 563 points or about a 45-point pace. Solid offensively, but nothing too special. His defense was OK, again, nothing special. He wasn't physical. He didn't stand out as an exceptional leader. Never came close to winning a personal award. Played on the top pair for a few years but was never recognized as being elite among his peers. Probably better suited as #2 or #3.

So you get fired for mentioning Doan but you think Kaberle belongs. Makes zero sense. I wonder if Doan being a vocal Christian conservative has anything to do with it...
- Kooleus

Kaberle has one season near the end of his career where there are advanced stats available and he was like 32 and ELITE.

it was like his 5th best year.

If he there were advanced stats during his prime he would be regarded much better.

Hes a one of the best 5 D men of his era.

Kaberle has one season near the end of his career where there are advanced stats available and he was like 32 and ELITE.

it was like his 5th best year.

If he there were advanced stats during his prime he would be regarded much better.

Hes a one of the best 5 D men of his era.
- James_Tanner

Name the other 4 best d-men in his era. Should be quick and easy. If Kaberle is top 5, then who are the other 4. Quick. Go.

That’s absolutely laughable, his advanced stats were good the one year they were available?? Be better , this site is pathetic letting you ramble on about hockey.

Doan’s reputation for being the heart/soul and best player on a new team that was bad for a long time is what props him up in the eyes of many, as well as playing over 1500 games in the nhl which is something rare for non-elite players. Personally I wonder if he had more help on the team if his totals would’ve been high enough to less debatably put him in this conversation but as of now I think there’s too many guys ahead of him on the list.

Where Doan could make the HOF is in the builders category. While Arizona still doesn’t get a lot fans through the doors he did the best any player could building a foundation for hockey in a market that traditionally isn’t viable.

Kaberle has one season near the end of his career where there are advanced stats available and he was like 32 and ELITE.

it was like his 5th best year.

If he there were advanced stats during his prime he would be regarded much better.

Hes a one of the best 5 D men of his era.
- James_Tanner

This is great.

Crickets. Tanner checking WAR and Corsi. Stats not available. Uh oh, who is the top 5 of that era of say 2000-2010. Searching. Thinking. FAIL.

I don't even need stats to tell me:

1 - Lidstrom. The end.
Next tier...Pronger, Chara, Niedermayer.
That's 4.

So Tanner is saying that Kaberle belongs in that group for this era. Really? Did you watch the games back then, because it seems you don't even watch them right now.

If you just want to focus on 2000-2010 era then I might suggest Brian Rafalski as being more accomplished than Kaberle. He won 3 Cups that decade, scored more points, had more individual votes for the Norris.

Sergei Gonchar is another idea. Way better offensively than Kaberle, and probably no worse defensively.

Then you had guys that straddled this era. Someone like Rob Blake was better than Kaberle early in that era. By the end of Kaberle's era you had guys like Suter, Letang, Doughty, Weber, Keith all very quickly jump ahead of Kaberle.

Totally laughable take by Tanner. Yet again.

P.S. Note how quick and easy it was for me to come up with this list. I probably overlooked a few guys too. This is because I have a deep understanding of the sport. No websites needed.

I'd put in Khabibulin over Kaberle or Doan, though I wouldn't consider Khabibulin a lock by any stretch.

Doan isn't a Hall of Famer. And he left a sour taste in my mouth in his last few years where his team needed him to waive his NTC so they could get rebuild assets for him at the deadline and he wouldn't do it. He put his own comfortable rut and zero chance of winning ahead of helping the team he was allegedly so "loyal" to and ahead of any chance of winning. More of a comfortable civil servant than a Hall of Fame athlete at that point.

Kaberle played about 12 of his 14 NHL seasons for the Leafs.

There isn't a single soul in Toronto who would suggest that the Leafs retire his number.

If he isn't considered one of the greatest Leafs of all time, he really shouldn't be considered one of the greatest hockey players of all time.

Nice guy though, and I hear he's excellent at food delivery.

Put Doan in a "Real Market" and people would crap on him for not caring about winning and wasting his career.
Hearing him hyped as some amazing leader was quite something. He barely ever saw the playoffs.

James Tanner: Sorry But Shane Doan Isn't Worthy of Even HOF Consideration
- James_Tanner

Jimmy don't you mean old white guys get together...

cuse if its not about race, its about class

if its not about class its about sex

if its not about sex its about race

I wonder what this guy is like in person...

Like are these articles coming from a Mental Institution because there's gotta be a crazy story about this guy

I wonder what this guy is like in person...

Like are these articles coming from a Mental Institution because there's gotta be a crazy story about this guy
- BringNYIhome

Don't you know, He is Super educated!....Don't let that get lost in all the ramblings. He is way, WAY smarter(read "more educated") Than either you or I, Or anyone else for that matter. However his education has him still renting(super/duper smart) You and i would not get how much better renting is compared to owning our living establishment. Also his super/duper educated mind has him smoking cigs in the last decade(i know, It seems low-life, However once again you have to defer to his mega education for this one)"wicked" smart. Then there is the owning Cd's of no-name artists-vs- just streaming? This is not his education talking! It is his super/duper hipster education talking.
Hockey? He knows nothing(and i mean NOTHING) about this topic, However as a Canadian, He has the pulse of the American people tuned in better than......Wait for it......The American people!
That is how "educated" Tan-boy is!!

Don't you know, He is Super educated!....Don't let that get lost in all the ramblings. He is way, WAY smarter(read "more educated") Than either you or I, Or anyone else for that matter. However his education has him still renting(super/duper smart) You and i would not get how much better renting is compared to owning our living establishment. Also his super/duper educated mind has him smoking cigs in the last decade(i know, It seems low-life, However once again you have to defer to his mega education for this one)"wicked" smart. Then there is the owning Cd's of no-name artists-vs- just streaming? This is not his education talking! It is his super/duper hipster education talking.
Hockey? He knows nothing(and i mean NOTHING) about this topic, However as a Canadian, He has the pulse of the American people tuned in better than......Wait for it......The American people!
That is how "educated" Tan-boy is!!
- camfor

Well said 👍
Like I’ve said before, I hope this smacked ass isn’t breeding

Well said 👍
Like I’ve said before, I hope this smacked ass isn’t breeding
- Angus4444

I have been dealing with this tool since he started "writing"
Some goodies,
Oel is a top 5 D-man in the league
Josi is not in the top 25 D-men in the league
Edmonton will win the next 5 cups
Toronto will win the next 5 cups

When this doesn't come to fruition......
The stanley cup comes down to luck, And luck only
White guys suck
Old guys suck
White/old guys suck(might have this incorrect in order)
Chaka is a genius
Tocchet sucks(see white guys suck)
Renting is better than owning
Franson/Runblad is a great first pairing "D" pairing
Tanner(not jimmy tannner) Glass and Sidney Crosby have basically the same shot
Rantta/Kuemper are elite goalies(all of a sudden) It has nothing to do with Tocchet's system.(Tocchet sucks)
Defensive "D" men suck! . Unless they don't(see Hjarlmasson)
My typing/spelling sucks(says Tan-Man) unless his typing/spelling sucks(Dude , Get a life)
Trump is Hitler reincarnated!
Trudeau is awesome(not as awesome as Dubas however)
Can't we all try and get along?
People are just not as smart as i am!
And that is the crux of it all right there(see immediately above)

Now if the Oilers had selected Doan before Steve Kelly (1995) he would for sure be HOF material! Maybe. At least the Oilers would have had Doan. Sure could have used him back then...

Put Doan in a "Real Market" and people would crap on him for not caring about winning and wasting his career.
Hearing him hyped as some amazing leader was quite something. He barely ever saw the playoffs.
- RogerRoeper

Iginla only saw the playoffs 7 times in 22 years, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

Mcdavid has only made the playoffs as of now twice in five years, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

John Tavares made the playoffs 3 times in the 9 years he made the playoffs with the isles, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

No one questioned how much these guys care about winning and the only people that crapped on them for wasting their careers were fans of other teams. No one bothered to pay attention to Doan and why would they, he played for a team no one cared about. Leaderships a great thing to have on a team. Leaders do a number things off the ice and on the ice such as motivate their teammates to be the best they can be but what all those players I mentioned have in common is that even at their team’s best they still sucked.

Iginla only saw the playoffs 7 times in 22 years, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

Mcdavid has only made the playoffs as of now twice in five years, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

John Tavares made the playoffs 3 times in the 9 years he made the playoffs with the isles, yet no one says he’s a terrible leader.

No one questioned how much these guys care about winning and the only people that crapped on them for wasting their careers were fans of other teams. No one bothered to pay attention to Doan and why would they, he played for a team no one cared about. Leaderships a great thing to have on a team. Leaders do a number things off the ice and on the ice such as motivate their teammates to be the best they can be but what all those players I mentioned have in common is that even at their team’s best they still sucked.
- RedC21

Yeah but did Doan have a good WAR and Corsi? What was his PDO? Actually it doesn't matter because anyone who even dares suggest Doan for the HOF should be fired from whatever job you happen to have. That's woke.

Hi, I'm Jimmy, if I work real hard they tell me I might be promoted to the french fry station!👍🏻

The takeway I took away from this blog is that you need to watch more Will Smith and Gene Hackman movies.

Kaberle has one season near the end of his career where there are advanced stats available and he was like 32 and ELITE.

it was like his 5th best year.

If he there were advanced stats during his prime he would be regarded much better.

Hes a one of the best 5 D men of his era.
- James_Tanner

Was Kaberle elite like Jake Gardiner was elite, or actually elite?


Defenseman playing in Kaberle's era

Nik Lidstrom
Scott Niedermayer
Chris Pronger
Rob Blake
Zdeno Chara
Brian Rafalski
Sergei Gonchar
Kimmo Timonen
Brian Leetch
Eric Desjardins
Phil Housley
Ray Bourque
Al McInnis
Sergei Zubov