This is like some flat earther republican explaining global warming to a scientist.
- James_Tanner

Ah, bringing politics into play again huh Tanner? One of the top tactics in your playbook when you've been stymied and had it handed to you.

I recall all the times that Tanner has told us he could be better than most of the GM's in the league just by using analytics. I just wonder how come Chayka, who is supposed to be an analytics expert is struggling so much? Analytics have been around for a significant period of time. Doesn't seem like the wonder kids are taking over from the old school. Any day now it will happen.
- MJL

Analytics is not a “buzz” thing. It’s math. I don’t remotely understand the ignorance of comments like this. Most NHL teams have analytics departments so acting like it was a fad is frankly...just dumb.

As for Chayka, I don’t just think he should be kept around. I think he is a top 5 GM in the league, and will be around for the long haul. Nothing, analytics included, will turn a team around immediately. This year was the year when his plan was targeted to come together. And it largely did. Most of the season they were leading or challenging the lead of the Pacific division. They were playing good games against the Blues, Maple Leafs and Lightning’s of the world. Yes they had some flaws, and yes I HATE Tocchets lines and player usage. And yes they could still use that elusive number 1 center. But they are better constructed than when the year down began (also you can have Lias Anderson and Deangelo...they won’t be helping anyone to a cup in their careers)

I can’t for the “told you so” when 1) Hall re-signs, and 2) when the coyotes continue their climb to the playoffs next year.

Ah, bringing politics into play again huh Tanner? One of the top tactics in your playbook when you've been stymied and had it handed to you.
- MJL

I'm Canadian and voted for the Green Party. But that seems totally irrelevant. I'm still curious who comprises "the analytics community" ? I don't think I'm in that community, but maybe I am. Please explain and stick to hockey if possible.

Analytics is not a “buzz” thing. It’s math. I don’t remotely understand the ignorance of comments like this. Most NHL teams have analytics departments so acting like it was a fad is frankly...just dumb.


- Dahlmanyotes

Yea, you badly missed the point. Try again.

As for Chayka, I don’t just think he should be kept around. I think he is a top 5 GM in the league, and will be around for the long haul. Nothing, analytics included, will turn a team around immediately. This year was the year when his plan was targeted to come together. And it largely did. Most of the season they were leading or challenging the lead of the Pacific division. They were playing good games against the Blues, Maple Leafs and Lightning’s of the world. Yes they had some flaws, and yes I HATE Tocchets lines and player usage. And yes they could still use that elusive number 1 center. But they are better constructed than when the year down began (also you can have Lias Anderson and Deangelo...they won’t be helping anyone to a cup in their careers)

I can’t for the “told you so” when 1) Hall re-signs, and 2) when the coyotes continue their climb to the playoffs next year.
- Dahlmanyotes

If Hall re-signs, then depending on the contract, that will change things. All indications are that he is going to test free agency and likely moving on. There is something missing from your comments. What makes Chayka a top 5 GM in the league?
Hey, if you've set the low bar of making the playoffs then more power to you. Half the teams in the league do that. I look at the bigger picture and Chayka has his team is a bad spot. The worst spot you can put a team. Being an average team that might make the playoffs with a cap issue. That's hockey purgatory.

Yea, you badly missed the point. Try again.




If Hall re-signs, then depending on the contract, that will change things. All indications are that he is going to test free agency and likely moving on. There is something missing from your comments. What makes Chayka a top 5 GM in the league?
Hey, if you've set the low bar of making the playoffs then more power to you. Half the teams in the league do that. I look at the bigger picture and Chayka has his team is a bad spot. The worst spot you can put a team. Being an average team that might make the playoffs with a cap issue. That's hockey purgatory.
- MJL

What cap issue? Nearly all of the contracts people complain about will be off in one to two seasons, and most of those players (Hjalmarsson, Soderberg, Goligoski, Demers, Stepan) are not horrible players. They are great for the young guys and contribute. Overpaid now that they are on the back half of the contract but they are all short.

So we will be building towards contention those two years and when those guys drop off, AND the salary cap grows, the team will have a solid (now prime) core with plenty of money to spend to keep on building toward the championship. Not to mention we still have Hayton, Soderstrom, and Jenik all in the wings...3 of the top prospects in the league for their respective positions.

Not to mention they have a glut of NHL talent and can always trade away one or two for 2nd or 3rd round picks if they want to recoup any of the lost picks.

So yes...GM with the hardest situation?? Chayka? GM with a team that has improved the most in the last 3 years. I won’t say he’s number one but they are up there. GM that has a team poised for growth? Chayka. Hence the top 5 rating.

What cap issue? Nearly all of the contracts people complain about will be off in one to two seasons, and most of those players (Hjalmarsson, Soderberg, Goligoski, Demers, Stepan) are not horrible players. They are great for the young guys and contribute. Overpaid now that they are on the back half of the contract but they are all short.

So we will be building towards contention those two years and when those guys drop off, AND the salary cap grows, the team will have a solid (now prime) core with plenty of money to spend to keep on building toward the championship. Not to mention we still have Hayton, Soderstrom, and Jenik all in the wings...3 of the top prospects in the league for their respective positions.

Not to mention they have a glut of NHL talent and can always trade away one or two for 2nd or 3rd round picks if they want to recoup any of the lost picks.

So yes...GM with the hardest situation?? Chayka? GM with a team that has improved the most in the last 3 years. I won’t say he’s number one but they are up there. GM that has a team poised for growth? Chayka. Hence the top 5 rating.
- Dahlmanyotes

Hi John.

Hi John.
- Kooleus

He's the RogerRoeper of the Coyotes board.

What cap issue? Nearly all of the contracts people complain about will be off in one to two seasons, and most of those players (Hjalmarsson, Soderberg, Goligoski, Demers, Stepan) are not horrible players. They are great for the young guys and contribute. Overpaid now that they are on the back half of the contract but they are all short.

So we will be building towards contention those two years and when those guys drop off, AND the salary cap grows, the team will have a solid (now prime) core with plenty of money to spend to keep on building toward the championship. Not to mention we still have Hayton, Soderstrom, and Jenik all in the wings...3 of the top prospects in the league for their respective positions.

Not to mention they have a glut of NHL talent and can always trade away one or two for 2nd or 3rd round picks if they want to recoup any of the lost picks.

So yes...GM with the hardest situation?? Chayka? GM with a team that has improved the most in the last 3 years. I won’t say he’s number one but they are up there. GM that has a team poised for growth? Chayka. Hence the top 5 rating.
- Dahlmanyotes

He dealt multiple first round picks to get some of those bad contracts. They aren't getting them back. What was the payoff? Still stuck with Kessel unless they get lucky and there is a compliance buyout. Trading young talent to recoup picks is not how you build a team towards contention. Bottom line is that there is zero indication that Chayka is the right guy to lead and build the team towards contention. He's made one ill-advised move after another and doesn't show that he has a vision for the future.

So you have some fantasy rating that Arizona is near the top in growth as a team in the last 3 years hence the top 5 rating? Seriously, take a hard look at what you posted and ask yourself if that is justification for a top 5 ranking. Your team is in the bottom 3rd in the league. If you think it is, then I truly know what I'm dealing with and it explains a lot. Particularly with your first moronic reply to me. I would've thought that someone making a post like that could bring more to the table. Can't say I'm surprised though.

He dealt multiple first round picks to get some of those bad contracts. They aren't getting them back. What was the payoff? Still stuck with Kessel unless they get lucky and there is a compliance buyout. Trading young talent to recoup picks is not how you build a team towards contention. Bottom line is that there is zero indication that Chayka is the right guy to lead and build the team towards contention. He's made one ill-advised move after another and doesn't show that he has a vision for the future.

So you have some fantasy rating that Arizona is near the top in growth as a team in the last 3 years hence the top 5 rating? Seriously, take a hard look at what you posted and ask yourself if that is justification for a top 5 ranking. Your team is in the bottom 3rd in the league. If you think it is, then I truly know what I'm dealing with and it explains a lot. Particularly with your first moronic reply to me. I would've thought that someone making a post like that could bring more to the table. Can't say I'm surprised though.
- MJL

MJL you are consistently the most ignorant and naive poster on here. Stuck in the 80s. I have a masters in analytics, and design algorithms for Intels artificial intelligence team.

But ultimately the proof will he in the pudding as the coyotes continue to rise thanks to Chayka. Grabbing the standings at one point of the season and declaring them horrible is a logical flaw...one that you continually make when you share your viewpoint on hockey and the world.

MJL you are consistently the most ignorant and naive poster on here. Stuck in the 80s. I have a masters in analytics, and design algorithms for Intels artificial intelligence team.


- Dahlmanyotes

I don't give a crap what you have or what you do. Is that supposed to impress someone? What does that prove? Nothing. Your words are hollow and wasting everyone's time. We're talking hockey here and you clearly don't have a deep knowledge about that. You clearly are not aware of my stance on analytics evidenced by your replies. You called my post ignorant when you had no clue of what I was even saying.

If I'm so ignorant and naive, why are you having such a hard time proving it? With your masters degree? You need to tell me what degree you have due to an obvious confidence issue as if I should now bow before you!

Here is something I'm going to teach you. Smart people don't have to tell people that they're smart!

But ultimately the proof will he in the pudding as the coyotes continue to rise thanks to Chayka. Grabbing the standings at one point of the season and declaring them horrible is a logical flaw...one that you continually make when you share your viewpoint on hockey and the world.
- Dahlmanyotes

LOL. You've got nothing. I've given you an opportunity here to back up your mouth. You are failing miserably. You make blanket statements without backing it up. I've made multiple statements on why I think Chayka is not a good GM. You don't address any of that. You still haven't supported your stance on why you think he is a top 5 NHL GM. You state that he has the Coyotes as one of the fastest rising teams yet object to someone stating that they're in the bottom 3rd in the league in the standings. Yet you want to tell others they're flawed logically. You want to come at me, no problem. Come at me but bring something, anything to the table that we can at least have a discussion about. Let's talk about the hockey points!

I challenged you. You failed.

I don't give a crap what you have or what you do. Is that supposed to impress someone? What does that prove? Nothing. Your words are hollow and wasting everyone's time. We're talking hockey here and you clearly don't have a deep knowledge about that. You clearly are not aware of my stance on analytics evidenced by your replies. You called my post ignorant when you had no clue of what I was even saying.

If I'm so ignorant and naive, why are you having such a hard time proving it? With your masters degree? You need to tell me what degree you have due to an obvious confidence issue as if I should now bow before you!

Here is something I'm going to teach you. Smart people don't have to tell people that they're smart!




LOL. You've got nothing. I've given you an opportunity here to back up your mouth. You are failing miserably. You make blanket statements without backing it up. I've made multiple statements on why I think Chayka is not a good GM. You don't address any of that. You still haven't supported your stance on why you think he is a top 5 NHL GM. You state that he has the Coyotes as one of the fastest rising teams yet object to someone stating that they're in the bottom 3rd in the league in the standings. Yet you want to tell others they're flawed logically. You want to come at me, no problem. Come at me but bring something, anything to the table that we can at least have a discussion about. Let's talk about the hockey points!

I challenged you. You failed.
- MJL

Ha! I went player by player and trade by trade. All metrics have been trending up. Players like Stepan, Kessel and Hjalmarsson are great players still but even beyond that they are in place to teach the young core. They are winners, and hockey nerds that dissect the game. Chayka pursues emotional intelligence and fortitude as much as anything else. He has completely turned around the culture. And the proof is already in place for those that have eyes to see. But for those that struggle beyond addition and subtraction, you will see the results when Hall re signs due to his exposure to the culture, and when the team starts taking runs these next few years.

Ha! I went player by player and trade by trade. All metrics have been trending up. Players like Stepan, Kessel and Hjalmarsson are great players still but even beyond that they are in place to teach the young core. They are winners, and hockey nerds that dissect the game. Chayka pursues emotional intelligence and fortitude as much as anything else. He has completely turned around the culture. And the proof is already in place for those that have eyes to see. But for those that struggle beyond addition and subtraction, you will see the results when Hall re signs due to his exposure to the culture, and when the team starts taking runs these next few years.
- Dahlmanyotes

None of Stepan, Kessel and Hjamarlsson are great players anymore. I agree that you need veterans to nurture and aid young players but you can have that without making bad trades to add that.

They gave up the 7th overall pick and a blossoming young defenseman in DeAngelo to add Stepan along with Raanta, now a backup. Stepan is mediocre. Bad deal long term!

I'm not a fan of Galchenyuk but Kessel looks cooked or disinterested in playing in Arizona. That cap hit for Kessel for a few more years is ugly. He has been a shell of himself.

They gave up a first and a 3rd and prospects for Hall which on paper is not a bad deal but if Hall walks, it becomes a bad deal. Adding Hall did not elevate the team and that was a mis-judgement by Chayka. They're more than one good player away. That is clear. All indications are that Hall is going to free agency and will be leaving Arizona. Chayka will have to make moves just to free up space to be able to offer him a deal and get in the bidding. That could drastically hurt their depth.

You stated that the Yotes are one of the fast rising teams in the league but you haven't in multiple posts been able to back that up. All you have is speculation and hope. I get being optimistic about your team but you have no basis at this point to state that. Again, the Yotes are struggling and in the bottom third in the league standings.

Culture is great but good players win games. The Yotes aren't there. Where they are is up against the cap and mediocre. They're at around 80.9M committed with the likelihood of the cap staying flat at 81.5M. They can use the Hossa LTIR exemption and they need to hope there is a compliance buyout so they can use it for Kessel to get out from that contract. They have a number of aging mediocre veteran players. Short on youth. Chayka's mistakes have taken key important young assets away from the team. That's the facts right now. Beyond dispute.

That's not to even mention the Domi trade.

What metrics are trending up? Name them specifically?

None of Stepan, Kessel and Hjamarlsson are great players anymore. I agree that you need veterans to nurture and aid young players but you can have that without making bad trades to add that.

They gave up the 7th overall pick and a blossoming young defenseman in DeAngelo to add Stepan along with Raanta, now a backup. Stepan is mediocre. Bad deal long term!

I'm not a fan of Galchenyuk but Kessel looks cooked or disinterested in playing in Arizona. That cap hit for Kessel for a few more years is ugly. He has been a shell of himself.

They gave up a first and a 3rd and prospects for Hall which on paper is not a bad deal but if Hall walks, it becomes a bad deal. Adding Hall did not elevate the team and that was a mis-judgement by Chayka. They're more than one good player away. That is clear. All indications are that Hall is going to free agency and will be leaving Arizona.

You stated that the Yotes are one of the fast rising teams in the league but you haven't in multiple posts been able to back that up. All you have is speculation and hope. I get being optimistic about your team but you have no basis at this point to state that. Again, the Yotes are struggling and in the bottom third in the league standings.

Culture is great but good players win games. The Yotes aren't there. Where they are is up against the cap and mediocre. They're at around 80.9M committed with the likelihood of the cap staying flat at 81.5M. They can use the Hossa LTIR exemption and they need to hope there is a compliance buyout so they can use it for Kessel to get out from that contract. They have a number of aging mediocre veteran players. Short on youth. That's the facts right now. Beyond dispute.

That's not to even mention the Domi trade.

What metrics are trending up? Name them specifically?
- MJL

Phil Kessel "Desert Dog" sales?

Let's vote. The true identity of Dahlman is:

a) John Chayka defending his own terrible decisions.
b) John Chayka's mom
c) Tanner trying to increase hits and make a few more bucks
d) Derek Stepan calling himself useful

Let's vote. The true identity of Dahlman is:

a) John Chayka defending his own terrible decisions.
b) John Chayka's mom
c) Tanner trying to increase hits and make a few more bucks
d) Derek Stepan calling himself useful
- Kooleus

There's a better chance I am secretly you.

Phil Kessel "Desert Dog" sales?


- gergeswillems

A Kessel hotdog joke ? Why didn't you just reference the 'interwebs' while invoking the 'corsi cup' then yell 'wazzzzzzzzzup' at the immigrants you definitely think are ruining your life?

A Kessel hotdog joke ? Why didn't you just reference the 'interwebs' while invoking the 'corsi cup' then yell 'wazzzzzzzzzup' at the immigrants you definitely think are ruining your life?
- James_Tanner

There's the patented Tanner political insult!

A Kessel hotdog joke ? Why didn't you just reference the 'interwebs' while invoking the 'corsi cup' then yell 'wazzzzzzzzzup' at the immigrants you definitely think are ruining your life?
- James_Tanner

Why don't you just keep being the insecure twat rocket you've been your entire miserable life?

No. Hexy didn't get to finish his plan. Drafting and developing. It wasn't going fast enough for ownership so he was axed. I thought he did an outstanding job cleaning up Holmgren's colossal mess. Hextall was served a warm sandwich.
- gergeswillems

Is this an idiom? Why is a warm sandwich a bad thing? Warm sandwiches are delicious.