Todd Cordell: Calgary Flames player profile: Derek Ryan

I hope everyone is doing well, I had to file for EI this morning.

Hey all. How you keeping busy?

@Flames1230 sorry to hear that man. Hope this poop show passes quickly and you land on your feet. The government in Ecuador has made it illegal to fire people during this crisis. So will find out about my fate when it blows over.

@ Duran, thanks man. I hope you are you keeping safe. It sucks not having hockey to watch it was always a refuge to get away from things and practice yelling at the tv lol.

@ Duran, thanks man. I hope you are you keeping safe. It sucks not having hockey to watch it was always a refuge to get away from things and practice yelling at the tv lol.
- FlamesFan1230

Man I was looking forward to locking myself in my house because of the wind up to playoffs and playoffs......Now I am just locked up in my house.

I hope everyone is doing well, I had to file for EI this morning.
- FlamesFan1230

Sorry to hear that, hopefully things turn quickly in the province/country/planet!

On positive note, time with family/friends is a good thing

I really like Derek Ryan as a 3rd line Center on any team. This is all hypothetical based on what happens with the salary cap but we’ve long been rumoured to be looking for a top six winger. If that were to happen I could see us running lindholm-monahan-backlund down the middle. If that were to happen Ryan would be bumped down to the fourth line. While I think he could even excel there I don’t think it would be feasible for us to be paying over 3 million for a fourth line Center. I think any roster moves are up in the air as much as the season is right now but had things played out normally I could have seen that happening.

I really like Derek Ryan as a 3rd line Center on any team. This is all hypothetical based on what happens with the salary cap but we’ve long been rumoured to be looking for a top six winger. If that were to happen I could see us running lindholm-monahan-backlund down the middle. If that were to happen Ryan would be bumped down to the fourth line. While I think he could even excel there I don’t think it would be feasible for us to be paying over 3 million for a fourth line Center. I think any roster moves are up in the air as much as the season is right now but had things played out normally I could have seen that happening.
- RedC21

Yeah I like Ryan, puts in effort and is an all round good player. But we will see who they protect with the draft. Is Backs likely to get protected?

Yeah I like Ryan, puts in effort and is an all round good player. But we will see who they protect with the draft. Is Backs likely to get protected?
- DuranDuran

I think that all depends on wether lucic waives if he doesn’t I’m guessing 50/50.

Right now I have lucic, Johnny, monahan, tkachuck, lindholm, mangiapane, dube/backlund.

The decision comes down to older proven talent vs young, cheap with potential.

In the end I’m hoping what happens is we trade Seattle our 1st and a prospect if that’s what it takes for them to take lucic.

I think that all depends on wether lucic waives if he doesn’t I’m guessing 50/50.

Right now I have lucic, Johnny, monahan, tkachuck, lindholm, mangiapane, dube/backlund.

The decision comes down to older proven talent vs young, cheap with potential.

In the end I’m hoping what happens is we trade Seattle our 1st and a prospect if that’s what it takes for them to take lucic.
- RedC21

Thats looking too far ahead these days. First off, I doubt we will have to protect Lucic & have no doubt he will waive that NMC. Just from hearing him talk & appreciation of the opportunity he has here when he was feeling pretty low & thinking of quitting. He's a team player & will waive knowing full well the likelihood of Seattle even picking him is pretty remote. We're going to lose a decent player, everyone will, I would never give our 1st rounder away like that.

2nd the only way I see the league even trying to finish the season or have playoffs will be in empty buildings. The reason for all these isolation & lockdowns is to flatten the curve, that means delaying the crest/peak of this virus. Just because the number of new cases starts to go down each day in lets say June isnt the cue to start packing people into stadiums again. Nt going to happen. League revunues are not only going to take a ht this year but next year after the financial carnage of loss wealth & incomes, people simply wont be able to go to hockey games. Do you take that $500 & buy food & clothes & pay rent/mortgages or go to games or buy season tickets.
The cap is going down & not by just a little but by some amount unprecedented like we are seeing everyday in life. Compliance buyouts are not going to be just one but probably unlimited & negotiated by both Players Association & League & a realistic new cap will emerge when people can gather in large groups again. You heard it here first :->

Thats looking too far ahead these days. First off, I doubt we will have to protect Lucic & have no doubt he will waive that NMC. Just from hearing him talk & appreciation of the opportunity he has here when he was feeling pretty low & thinking of quitting. He's a team player & will waive knowing full well the likelihood of Seattle even picking him is pretty remote. We're going to lose a decent player, everyone will, I would never give our 1st rounder away like that.

2nd the only way I see the league even trying to finish the season or have playoffs will be in empty buildings. The reason for all these isolation & lockdowns is to flatten the curve, that means delaying the crest/peak of this virus. Just because the number of new cases starts to go down each day in lets say June isnt the cue to start packing people into stadiums again. Nt going to happen. League revunues are not only going to take a ht this year but next year after the financial carnage of loss wealth & incomes, people simply wont be able to go to hockey games. Do you take that $500 & buy food & clothes & pay rent/mortgages or go to games or buy season tickets.
The cap is going down & not by just a little but by some amount unprecedented like we are seeing everyday in life. Compliance buyouts are not going to be just one but probably unlimited & negotiated by both Players Association & League & a realistic new cap will emerge when people can gather in large groups again. You heard it here first :->
- Kevin R

This year is done. We have not even begun to see the carnage that is going to happen in the states as they are not able to do proper testing. No way that they can put the players at risk going into airports, hotels, and empty rinks. If one guy gets it, the whole team will be exposed. Too much risk.

Next year would love to see all players get paid a base salary and then get extra $$$ incentives for production. Hits, blocked shots, goals, assists, fights all get you extra dough. We would see a whole new level from of play from these guys.

Thats looking too far ahead these days. First off, I doubt we will have to protect Lucic & have no doubt he will waive that NMC. Just from hearing him talk & appreciation of the opportunity he has here when he was feeling pretty low & thinking of quitting. He's a team player & will waive knowing full well the likelihood of Seattle even picking him is pretty remote. We're going to lose a decent player, everyone will, I would never give our 1st rounder away like that.

2nd the only way I see the league even trying to finish the season or have playoffs will be in empty buildings. The reason for all these isolation & lockdowns is to flatten the curve, that means delaying the crest/peak of this virus. Just because the number of new cases starts to go down each day in lets say June isnt the cue to start packing people into stadiums again. Nt going to happen. League revunues are not only going to take a ht this year but next year after the financial carnage of loss wealth & incomes, people simply wont be able to go to hockey games. Do you take that $500 & buy food & clothes & pay rent/mortgages or go to games or buy season tickets.
The cap is going down & not by just a little but by some amount unprecedented like we are seeing everyday in life. Compliance buyouts are not going to be just one but probably unlimited & negotiated by both Players Association & League & a realistic new cap will emerge when people can gather in large groups again. You heard it here first :->
- Kevin R

Depending on the player we may have to give up I’m fine with getting rid of a 1st, actually to just get rid of lucic’s salary I’d do it since there is no guarantee Seattle takes him.

I also think you may be looking too far ahead regarding the status of playoffs/the season. While I expect it to get worst I will also say that we are just wrapping up the 2nd busiest travel time of the year and we have yet to see the impact of the measures North America has taken and continue to make stricter. I expect by the end of April we will have a better idea as to how long this will last. Not saying playoffs will or won’t be altered/cancelled but that is when the final decision should come down.

As far as the cap goes there is a number of ways that we can maneuver it. It would be nice to try and avoid a reduction by the owners taking the hit but they have left me little faith to believe that will happen. I remind you a lot of players that have signed in the last 3/4 years have built lockout protection into the next year in their contracts. This means they are paid less salary in relation to their actual cap hit. So what I would like to see if the cap goes down drastically is cap hits of existing contracts docked a percentage in the difference between actual salary and cap hit. This will allow the league to drop the salary cap if necessary while not causing lockout levels of chaos.

Depending on the player we may have to give up I’m fine with getting rid of a 1st, actually to just get rid of lucic’s salary I’d do it since there is no guarantee Seattle takes him.

I also think you may be looking too far ahead regarding the status of playoffs/the season. While I expect it to get worst I will also say that we are just wrapping up the 2nd busiest travel time of the year and we have yet to see the impact of the measures North America has taken and continue to make stricter. I expect by the end of April we will have a better idea as to how long this will last. Not saying playoffs will or won’t be altered/cancelled but that is when the final decision should come down.

As far as the cap goes there is a number of ways that we can maneuver it. It would be nice to try and avoid a reduction by the owners taking the hit but they have left me little faith to believe that will happen. I remind you a lot of players that have signed in the last 3/4 years have built lockout protection into the next year in their contracts. This means they are paid less salary in relation to their actual cap hit. So what I would like to see if the cap goes down drastically is cap hits of existing contracts docked a percentage in the difference between actual salary and cap hit. This will allow the league to drop the salary cap if necessary while not causing lockout levels of chaos.
- RedC21

Not understanding what you are saying, you actually think leagues & teams are going to try & fill stadiums this summer because we are already seeing the worst of what can happen because of the peak travel season? & this thing will crest by the end of April & life goes back to normal? That the Billions & billions & trillions of emergency spending by governments in North America to bridge the economic fallout wont have a factor on the ability of fans attending these sporting events?

Even these high paid talented athletes & very wealthy owners are about to take a huge financial haircut just like the rest of us.

Unless the Flames actually sign Hall or resign Gaudreau, trading a first just to get rid of Lucic is probably the most asinine thing the Flames could do. If the Flames lose Gaudreau and can't replace him with a superstar they'll need to start the rebuild as soon as possible.

Not understanding what you are saying, you actually think leagues & teams are going to try & fill stadiums this summer because we are already seeing the worst of what can happen because of the peak travel season? & this thing will crest by the end of April & life goes back to normal? That the Billions & billions & trillions of emergency spending by governments in North America to bridge the economic fallout wont have a factor on the ability of fans attending these sporting events?

Even these high paid talented athletes & very wealthy owners are about to take a huge financial haircut just like the rest of us.
- Kevin R

I’m saying optimistically we may see playoffs in some capacity wether that’s in front of a full crowd, limited crowd or no crowd starting in June. It will likely depend on the bylaws of the city hosting the game at the time.

I’m aware this is one of the better case scenarios which is anywhere from that to not seeing any nhl action until the 2022/2023 season due to the estimated 18 months to create a vaccine plus time to mass produce.

While I won’t say we are seeing the worst, I would say the millions of people abroad returning home right now are critical to the spread. Most of the cases across the country right now are people who have gotten from travelling or family members they live with. It is critical that those people self isolate when they return. That is the reason why we will likely be under Italy/wuhan lockdown within the next 1-2 weeks as many of those people are morons. With all travel stopped, events cancelled and people not leaving their properties we can slow this before it peaks and start to see decline at the end of April and normalities begin to return by the end of may.

Economically we were heading into a recession before this. The virus has just escalated the timeline. Typically billion dollar industry like the nhl prepares for something like this 2 to 3 years in advance. Teams may have to slash ticket prices for attendance but will still be making truckloads from the nhl’s tv deal with Rogers and Seattle expansion. Two things that were expected to cause the cap hit to skyrocket once they entered the league. Also what will help the league is that most contracts signed in the least 3/4 years are structured to pay their lowest amount of salary this upcoming season since it was potentially going to be a lockout year.

Obviously I’m in the optimistic side of things because the reality is this is a situation that changes from day to day and to predict where we’ll be a couple months from now is anyone’s guess.

Unless the Flames actually sign Hall or resign Gaudreau, trading a first just to get rid of Lucic is probably the most asinine thing the Flames could do. If the Flames lose Gaudreau and can't replace him with a superstar they'll need to start the rebuild as soon as possible.
- Hunkulese

I think it would all depend on where the draft pick is. If it’s mid to late I would say it’s worth it. In that range your not likely getting a super star, but with lucic’s cap hit off the books we can put it towards a player our team needs to win now. Even if gaudreau does leave we would be able to assemble the best roster we can get to make a run in the last year of his contract. All this while not losing a more important piece or upcoming more developed player to expansion.

Mind you this is assuming our roster stays the same between now and next season if we get one.

I know it’s non related to this thread but in regards to our two new signings of Mackey and Poolman...Mackey is said by many as the one with the biggest/brightest upside, but Calgary Flames official site just released to us that today, Poolman
was just named NCHC defensive defenceman of the year...Now I’m really startin’ to dig our two acquisitions even more...
It’s only been a week and a half without hockey but it sure feels like a month at least...
FML🥺

Yeah I like Ryan, puts in effort and is an all round good player. But we will see who they protect with the draft. Is Backs likely to get protected?
- DuranDuran

After watching him raise the bar to another level for a month or so when it became more serious and meaningful hockey, how can they not protect him?? Me personally, I think it’s a no brainer!!!

Thats looking too far ahead these days. First off, I doubt we will have to protect Lucic & have no doubt he will waive that NMC. Just from hearing him talk & appreciation of the opportunity he has here when he was feeling pretty low & thinking of quitting. He's a team player & will waive knowing full well the likelihood of Seattle even picking him is pretty remote. We're going to lose a decent player, everyone will, I would never give our 1st rounder away like that.

2nd the only way I see the league even trying to finish the season or have playoffs will be in empty buildings. The reason for all these isolation & lockdowns is to flatten the curve, that means delaying the crest/peak of this virus. Just because the number of new cases starts to go down each day in lets say June isnt the cue to start packing people into stadiums again. Nt going to happen. League revunues are not only going to take a ht this year but next year after the financial carnage of loss wealth & incomes, people simply wont be able to go to hockey games. Do you take that $500 & buy food & clothes & pay rent/mortgages or go to games or buy season tickets.
The cap is going down & not by just a little but by some amount unprecedented like we are seeing everyday in life. Compliance buyouts are not going to be just one but probably unlimited & negotiated by both Players Association & League & a realistic new cap will emerge when people can gather in large groups again. You heard it here first :->
- Kevin R

Obviously I could be wrong but I’m honestly almost 💯% certain that when the big trade between Lucic and Neal happened, I remember a couple times hearing somewhere (from hockey analysts) mentioning something about how Tre and Looch had pre-discussed over the phone and made an agreement/arrangement that if Tre was to pull the trigger on the trade that looch was to waive at the expansion draft to save a spot to protect a player, and looch agreed.
Strategically aiding the insurance of protecting another player...I remember hearing that and was impressed of Tre and thinking ahead...
Does anyone else remember hearing this by any chance because I’m almost certain I did.

I'm not sure if there any clauses in player contracts, but if the season which will more likely be cancelled. Then when things resume until the next CBA keep things as is and then look at players making a base level salary and max. If they really want to play hockey for a living i'm sure they would be ok with making $500,000 a year minium.

I think it would all depend on where the draft pick is. If it’s mid to late I would say it’s worth it. In that range your not likely getting a super star, but with lucic’s cap hit off the books we can put it towards a player our team needs to win now. Even if gaudreau does leave we would be able to assemble the best roster we can get to make a run in the last year of his contract. All this while not losing a more important piece or upcoming more developed player to expansion.

Mind you this is assuming our roster stays the same between now and next season if we get one.
- RedC21

Boston's leading scorer was picked 24th position