Jan Levine: Game 59: NYR-CHI, Clock ticking to deadline, what will New York do? First of three games prior to Monday's deadline tonight

First on the Buzzer, Trade CK20

Quote from Burkie

Thats part of a rebuild. Trade out old vets for younger players. We will still have Trouba, Panarin and Mika as veteran presence. You can even throw in Igor since he played high pressure games in the KHL.

What we dont have is a player who has gone deep in the playoffs to teach the younger players what to expect. Im sure that player will be added when we start competing for a Cup in a few years.
- Brukie


No thats not how you rebuild ,Igor is a Vet ? whatta jokster
KREIDER has that credential ..going deep in P O's so does FAST
you just jabber on with no rhyme or plan ,just contrary IKE shyte as per usual

is thenew kid gauthier playing , whats the lines ???

No thats not how you rebuild ,Igor is a Vet ? whatta jokster
KREIDER has that credential ..going deep in P O's so does FAST
you just jabber on with no rhyme or plan ,just contrary IKE shyte as per usual

How do you rebuild then? In your case you want to trade young players for DD or sign Big Buff. Yea great way to rebuild.

Yes Igor can be considered a "Vet" playing big games in the KHL and the Olympics. The kid has nerves of Steel!

So this blog is starting off on the right foot

So this blog is starting off on the right foot
- picklerick

Lather, rinse, repeat....

is thenew kid gauthier playing , whats the lines ???
- NASHTYGUY

Read the blog....

Read the blog....
- airjan23

or a book

or a book
- picklerick

- Fenrir

A children's cartoon featuring Joseph Stalin?

How have I never heard of this before...

A children's cartoon featuring Joseph Stalin?

How have I never heard of this before...
- Wildschwein

it's the tic

Quote from Burkie

Thats part of a rebuild. Trade out old vets for younger players. We will still have Trouba, Panarin and Mika as veteran presence. You can even throw in Igor since he played high pressure games in the KHL.


- NASHTYGUY

Sorry, I don't agree, either. In fact, I'm a pretty big dissenter with this whole trade Kreider thing. Trading high-quality older players for mediocre younger players will just get you a young, mediocre team. Are you really happy with the return they received for Ryan McDonagh and JT Miller? Howden and Hajek are probably borderline minor leaguers. Now I'm hearing names like Anders Bjork in return for Kreider. I don't see any indication that he is going to be anything even remotely close to the player Chris Kreider is. Remember, when evaluating the potential return for a player like Kreider, you have to keep in mind that for the other team, he will most likely be a rental. That means you're not going to get anything near an equal return for him.

The fact is, when they sent that letter two years ago, I was on board at first. But now it's going way too far. Just because someone is 28 (which is hardly old) doesn't make him bad and just because someone is young doesn't make him good. If they make this kind of trade, it's a pretty strong indication to me that they have no real interest in winning. It will make them a far lesser team.

Sorry, I don't agree, either. In fact, I'm a pretty big dissenter with this whole trade Kreider thing. Trading high-quality older players for mediocre younger players will just get you a young, mediocre team. Are you really happy with the return they received for Ryan McDonagh and JT Miller? Howden and Hajek are probably borderline minor leaguers. Now I'm hearing names like Anders Bjork in return for Kreider. I don't see any indication that he is going to be anything even remotely close to the player Chris Kreider is. Remember, when evaluating the potential return for a player like Kreider, you have to keep in mind that for the other team, he will most likely be a rental. That means you're not going to get anything near an equal return for him.

The fact is, when they sent that letter two years ago, I was on board at first. But now it's going way too far. Just because someone is 28 (which is hardly old) doesn't make him bad and just because someone is young doesn't make him good. If they make this kind of trade, it's a pretty strong indication to me that they have no real interest in winning. It will make them a far lesser team.
- js10

As far as sports goes, thats middle aged and you want to get your last payday. no one wants to sign a 28 YO to an extended amount of time, most likely 5 years, CK20 is what 26, going to be 27 so 6 to 7 years will start good but then start to decline. thats just the nature of the beast.

As far as sports goes, thats middle aged and you want to get your last payday. no one wants to sign a 28 YO to an extended amount of time, most likely 5 years, CK20 is what 26, going to be 27 so 6 to 7 years will start good but then start to decline. thats just the nature of the beast.
- blueshirts_fan

Not necessarily. That Ovechkin guy seems to be doing pretty well at 34. I seem to remember Brendan Shanahan holding up pretty well well into his 30's. Not to mention #68 (all power forwards like Kreider, by the way). Yes, toward the end of such a contract his play will probably start to decline a bit, but so what? Not every player on your team can be great every year. In the meantime, you can get several more years of productivity from him while the kids develop.

So you'd really rather have a mediocre younger player than a highly-skilled older (NOT old!) player? Because that's probably what you're going to get.

Not necessarily. That Ovechkin guy seems to be doing pretty well at 34. I seem to remember Brendan Shanahan holding up pretty well well into his 30's. Not to mention #68 (all power forwards like Kreider, by the way). Yes, toward the end of such a contract his play will probably start to decline a bit, but so what? Not every player on your team can be great every year. In the meantime, you can get several more years of productivity from him while the kids develop.

So you'd really rather have a mediocre younger player than a highly-skilled older (NOT old!) player? Because that's probably what you're going to get.
- js10

1) not everyone is Ovi, or chasing 700 would be more common, 2) Shanny wasn't THE guy he was one of the guys, and Jagr falls into to the same category as Ovi. those are the exception not the rule. if we don't have younger guys come in than we won't have the next great on.

Sorry, I don't agree, either. In fact, I'm a pretty big dissenter with this whole trade Kreider thing. Trading high-quality older players for mediocre younger players will just get you a young, mediocre team. Are you really happy with the return they received for Ryan McDonagh and JT Miller? Howden and Hajek are probably borderline minor leaguers. Now I'm hearing names like Anders Bjork in return for Kreider. I don't see any indication that he is going to be anything even remotely close to the player Chris Kreider is. Remember, when evaluating the potential return for a player like Kreider, you have to keep in mind that for the other team, he will most likely be a rental. That means you're not going to get anything near an equal return for him.

The fact is, when they sent that letter two years ago, I was on board at first. But now it's going way too far. Just because someone is 28 (which is hardly old) doesn't make him bad and just because someone is young doesn't make him good. If they make this kind of trade, it's a pretty strong indication to me that they have no real interest in winning. It will make them a far lesser team.
- js10

It used to be ( in the Pre-Cap era ) when you made a trade: who got the best player?
Now, with the salary cap, the contract of the player has become vitally important. Nobody denies that Kreider is a good player ( and a fine Ranger too! ), but his next contract $$$ dictate that we have to trade him for cheaper players. The trick is not to have a steep drop-off in talent when you go with the younger player.
Unfortunately, thats why CK20 has to go...

- Fenrir

it's the tic
- blueshirts_fan

It’s The Tick, actually! And he should be showed some damn respect!
Such a classic comic. Also turned into a cartoon and a live action show twice now. I haven’t watched the current rendition on Amazon yet.

1) not everyone is Ovi, or chasing 700 would be more common, 2) Shanny wasn't THE guy he was one of the guys, and Jagr falls into to the same category as Ovi. those are the exception not the rule. if we don't have younger guys come in than we won't have the next great on.
- blueshirts_fan

No, Kreider is not Ovi, but your point is that players fade in their early 30s, and that's just not necessarily true. Even if with Kreider it's on a lesser scale, the point still holds. But then you say that if you don't have younger guys come in, we won't have the next great one. How's that going so far? Is Brett Howden great? Libor Hajek? Brendan Lemieux? Ryan Lindgren is arguably the best player they've gotten back so far, but he still doesn't exactly have me thinking that a dynasty is just around the corner. And have any of the players you've heard rumored to come back for Kreider likely to be great? Why would a team give up someone with any likelihood of being great for a rental?

The point is, they're basically doing it your way as it is, and I think it's very fair to argue that it's failing. They made some huge acquisitions over the offseason, including one of the league's best players, and they're not much, if any, better than they were last year. Maybe that's because rather than joining high-quality veterans, they're joining mediocre youth obtained for those high-quality veterans.

I'm not going to go as far as to say that age is just a number, but it's not the ONLY thing.

It used to be ( in the Pre-Cap era ) when you made a trade: who get the best player?
Now, with the salary cap, the contract of the player has become vitally important. Nobody denies that Kreider is a good player ( and a fine Ranger too! ), but his next contract $$$ dictate that we have to trade him for cheaper players. The trick is not to have a steep drop-off in talent when you go with the younger player.
Unfortunately, thats why CK20 has to go...
- TommyGTrain

That's another problem -- bad cap management. They're not so loaded with talent as it is that they should have to be in this position. Boston is a team that IS loaded with talent, yet rather than selling off their best players, they're looking to acquire more. Same with Tampa. The trick is not to have a steep dropoff in talent when you go with the younger player? Good luck with that. That's exactly what they've received with their prior trades, and in all likelihood what they would get with this one.

Read the blog....
- airjan23

OOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

No, Kreider is not Ovi, but your point is that players fade in their early 30s, and that's just not necessarily true. Even if with Kreider it's on a lesser scale, the point still holds. But then you say that if you don't have younger guys come in, we won't have the next great one. How's that going so far? Is Brett Howden great? Libor Hajek? Brendan Lemieux? Ryan Lindgren is arguably the best player they've gotten back so far, but he still doesn't exactly have me thinking that a dynasty is just around the corner. And have any of the players you've heard rumored to come back for Kreider likely to be great? Why would a team give up someone with any likelihood of being great for a rental?

The point is, they're basically doing it your way as it is, and I think it's very fair to argue that it's failing. They made some huge acquisitions over the offseason, including one of the league's best players, and they're not much, if any, better than they were last year. Maybe that's because rather than joining high-quality veterans, they're joining mediocre youth obtained for those high-quality veterans.

I'm not going to go as far as to say that age is just a number, but it's not the ONLY thing.
- js10

why is it failing? remember when we would sign aging vets and they didn't do jack poop? or does that not fit your paradigm? Or have you forgotten the 7 year stretch where we had Lindros, Fleury, Honorable mention to Bure, Messier the 2nd time, the list goes on and that was not good. I say we give this way a little more time.

why is it failing? remember when we would sign aging vets and they didn't do jack poop? or does that not fit your paradigm? Or have you forgotten the 7 year stretch where we had Lindros, Fleury, Honorable mention to Bure, Messier the 2nd time, the list goes on and that was not good. I say we give this way a little more time.
- blueshirts_fan

Just because one thing is bad doesn't meant that the opposite is good. It's failing for the reason I just stated -- despite adding Panarin and Trouba, they're haven't taken much of a step forward. As for giving it more time, if they DO improve, it will more likely be from players NOT acquired in these trades -- Kakko, Kravstov (MAYBE), and Shesterkin. Not Brett Howden (or, potentially, someone like Anders Bjork).

Look, I'll end with this, for now. You guys will probably get your way, and watch the team take a serious hit, and not just this year. They're not likely to sign another premier free agent this summer, so this time they'll have lost someone like Kreider and not have anyone take his place. In that respect, here's how it might help the rebuild: they might be so bad for years to come, at least they'll get more high draft picks!

If Kreider is healthy scratched tonight its pretty much a done deal he's getting traded.