the trade for Shaw, nylander and Matta. just might get Bowman finally fired. reverse those trades and we have 2 more draft picks and Joki and Kahun and 6 mil extra in cap space.

keith-Boquist
Gus-murphy
KK-Joki

Clearly Kahun is having a better year then Nylander.

I would go to Lehner and put Ben Bishop's contract in his face. Signed a couple of years ago at about the same age of Lehner, with a better resume (and a $4.95 mil. AAV), and say with inflation we will give you 5 years at $5.5 mil.. If he declines, I would say thanks for the 2/3 of a season, but you will have to change your avatar on your twitter account.

Could well be. I think Lehner signs elsewhere for more bucks and more term than the Hawks want to give. Hawks sign Crow to a 1 year deal for about $5 mil and Delia or Lankinen (signed to a deal similar to Delia's) is the back up. If Crow gets hurt and goes on LTIR they trade for a decent veteran backup off another team. There usually are plenty available at low cost.
- -Doh-

If they don't sign Lehner, I don't see this team going anywhere with the current Toews and Kane contracts. If Crow gets hurt next year, it will be like last year all over again, and they won't make the playoffs. That's why I think the Hawks learned their lesson, and they will sign Lehner.

the trade for Shaw, nylander and Matta. just might get Bowman finally fired. reverse those trades and we have 2 more draft picks and Joki and Kahun and 6 mil extra in cap space.

keith-Boquist
Gus-murphy
KK-Joki

Clearly Kahun is having a better year then Nylander.
- kmw4631

In this case Mitchell would not sign a Contract with the Hawks as there would be three guys already ahead of him on the depth chart and Seabrook hanging around in IR as well. On top of that you would have to figure out how to pay Kubalik, Strome, and Kahun (on the low end 4M and up) for each guy and idk if they would be able to make that work.

I'm not gonna dwell on those moves because it's just not worth the time or energy.

I would go to Lehner and put Ben Bishop's contract in his face. Signed a couple of years ago at about the same age of Lehner, with a better resume (and a $4.95 mil. AAV), and say with inflation we will give you 5 years at $5.5 mil.. If he declines, I would say thanks for the 2/3 of a season, but you will have to change your avatar on your twitter account.
- LAHawk

This would be the ideal situation. I'd even go to 6M per, but I think it's gonna take at least 7M per to get him to sign.

If they don't sign Lehner, I don't see this team going anywhere with the current Toews and Kane contracts. If Crow gets hurt next year, it will be like last year all over again, and they won't make the playoffs. That's why I think the Hawks learned their lesson, and they will sign Lehner.
- ToewsdNKanefusd

I wouldn't say that. You can win with an average goalie and an improved defense in front of them.

I still maintain that the Hawks have a good amount of the pieces needed to win, but have yet to find the right places for all of them AND fill out the remaining pieces around them

Could well be. I think Lehner signs elsewhere for more bucks and more term than the Hawks want to give. Hawks sign Crow to a 1 year deal for about $5 mil and Delia or Lankinen (signed to a deal similar to Delia's) is the back up. If Crow gets hurt and goes on LTIR they trade for a decent veteran backup off another team. There usually are plenty available at low cost.
- -Doh-

$5 for Crow is what Lehner got this year and he's not as good and another year older. If they are thinking playoffs next year it won't be Crow and I don't think he ever sees anything close to $5.

I would go to Lehner and put Ben Bishop's contract in his face. Signed a couple of years ago at about the same age of Lehner, with a better resume (and a $4.95 mil. AAV), and say with inflation we will give you 5 years at $5.5 mil.. If he declines, I would say thanks for the 2/3 of a season, but you will have to change your avatar on your twitter account.
- LAHawk

Only works if you are negotiating with yourself...

If they don't sign Lehner, I don't see this team going anywhere with the current Toews and Kane contracts. If Crow gets hurt next year, it will be like last year all over again, and they won't make the playoffs. That's why I think the Hawks learned their lesson, and they will sign Lehner.
- ToewsdNKanefusd

This is just my 2 cents, but I think the Hawks see Lankinen and Delia as very good backups at best, which you need, so it is good that they have those guys. I think they see gavel as their future #1, but he is easily 4-6 years away, so they sign Lehner to some term like he wanted. That way they have a very good if not great #1 for a number of years and then hopefully gravel (or another) is ready to take the reigns.

to anyone, Is there anything in the CBA about the max term where the player has to play for an entire season before they can be signed to an 8 year contract? No other team would be able to sign him to 8 years, and since he wanted term and this would get him max term, maybe he does it for cheap, maybe 5 or 6 mil per?

If they don't sign Lehner, I don't see this team going anywhere with the current Toews and Kane contracts. If Crow gets hurt next year, it will be like last year all over again, and they won't make the playoffs. That's why I think the Hawks learned their lesson, and they will sign Lehner.
- ToewsdNKanefusd

Take their best shot with him anyway takes two to tango.

This would be the ideal situation. I'd even go to 6M per, but I think it's gonna take at least 7M per to get him to sign.



I wouldn't say that. You can win with an average goalie and an improved defense in front of them.

I still maintain that the Hawks have a good amount of the pieces needed to win, but have yet to find the right places for all of them AND fill out the remaining pieces around them
- Savetheembers33

I think this may be changing somewhat, with the increase in talent offensive wise. When was the last time that a team won a cup with an average goalie? Probably the Hawks in 2010.

This is just my 2 cents, but I think the Hawks see Lankinen and Delia as very good backups at best, which you need, so it is good that they have those guys. I think they see gavel as their future #1, but he is easily 4-6 years away, so they sign Lehner to some term like he wanted. That way they have a very good if not great #1 for a number of years and then hopefully gravel (or another) is ready to take the reigns.

to anyone, Is there anything in the CBA about the max term where the player has to play for an entire season before they can be signed to an 8 year contract? No other team would be able to sign him to 8 years, and since he wanted term and this would get him max term, maybe he does it for cheap, maybe 5 or 6 mil per?
- ToewsdNKanefusd

I think they see Delia and Lankinen as OHF[✓¥=}®✓®©✓[{^^ backups.

I think this may be changing somewhat, with the increase in talent offensive wise. When was the last time that a team won a cup with an average goalie? Probably the Hawks in 2010.
- ToewsdNKanefusd

Niemi stood on his head in some of those games I think the Sharks series Hawks got lucky and caught lightening in a bottle.

the trade for Shaw, nylander and Matta. just might get Bowman finally fired. reverse those trades and we have 2 more draft picks and Joki and Kahun and 6 mil extra in cap space.

keith-Boquist
Gus-murphy
KK-Joki

Clearly Kahun is having a better year then Nylander.
- kmw4631

Why does the Shaw trade get Bowman fired? Yes he has concussion issues, but what player in the league now hasn't had concussions at some point during their career? Sorry all the Joki fans, Matta is having a better year than Joki is, both have the same number of points, Matta has 35 more blocks, about 40 more hits. Matta has 13 more giveaway than Henri, but has 16 more takeaways in 4 less games averaging a minute more than Joki. Matta is only 25, so he has plenty of tread left on his tires. Kahun is a nice player, but we needed Matta way more than Kahun.

Does Stan get any credit for getting Kubalik for a 5th rounder?

Until a week ago, everyone was wondering why KK was on the club, because he was a bust, he has 2 good weeks, and now you are saying he should of been playing top 6 all year, and that Bovquist should of been with the big club all year.

Nylander is a work in progress, no question about his skill, but at 21, Stan got hosed on the trade? Maybe, maybe not. I don't think Joki would get much more in a trade this year than last.

I would submit the following GM's had way worse off season's than Bowman:

Poile-Nashville
Nill-Dallas
Wilson - San Jose
Botterill Buffalo
Shero - New Jesey (canned)

Here is a question to you: Fire Stan, who would you replace him with?I bet I can make an argument that whoever you select that has any GM experience I can poke holes as to why was he hired because of bad trades, signings that he made when he was a GM previously.

In this case Mitchell would not sign a Contract with the Hawks as there would be three guys already ahead of him on the depth chart and Seabrook hanging around in IR as well. On top of that you would have to figure out how to pay Kubalik, Strome, and Kahun (on the low end 4M and up) for each guy and idk if they would be able to make that work.

I'm not gonna dwell on those moves because it's just not worth the time or energy.
- Savetheembers33

After I posted my long litany, I should of just followed your advice, saved my energy.

Only works if you are negotiating with yourself...
- rpeters01

I guess it comes down to what Stan feels is more important. Having the stud goalie? Or making other moves (i.e. trade Saad, Strome, etc.) to become cap compliant.

Why does the Shaw trade get Bowman fired? Yes he has concussion issues, but what player in the league now hasn't had concussions at some point during their career? Sorry all the Joki fans, Matta is having a better year than Joki is, both have the same number of points, Matta has 35 more blocks, about 40 more hits. Matta has 13 more giveaway than Henri, but has 16 more takeaways in 4 less games averaging a minute more than Joki. Matta is only 25, so he has plenty of tread left on his tires. Kahun is a nice player, but we needed Matta way more than Kahun.

Does Stan get any credit for getting Kubalik for a 5th rounder?

Until a week ago, everyone was wondering why KK was on the club, because he was a bust, he has 2 good weeks, and now you are saying he should of been playing top 6 all year, and that Bovquist should of been with the big club all year.

Nylander is a work in progress, no question about his skill, but at 21, Stan got hosed on the trade? Maybe, maybe not. I don't think Joki would get much more in a trade this year than last.

I would submit the following GM's had way worse off season's than Bowman:

Poile-Nashville
Nill-Dallas
Wilson - San Jose
Botterill Buffalo
Shero - New Jesey (canned)

Here is a question to you: Fire Stan, who would you replace him with?I bet I can make an argument that whoever you select that has any GM experience I can poke holes as to why was he hired because of bad trades, signings that he made when he was a GM previously.
- LAHawk

Arguably Stan's worst moves were overpaying Kane and Toews, hindsight is always 2020 with the cap and he certainly would have been fired by now had they gone elsewhere and overpaying Seebrook. Everything else "you shoot you make or miss," just like every other GM.

Niemi stood on his head in some of those games I think the Sharks series Hawks got lucky and caught lightening in a bottle.
- rpeters01

I bet San Jose and Dallas were wishing Niemi was average all those years they were in cup contention with him in the nets. He cost both teams a lot of wins during the playoffs. Remember Dallas had Niemi and Lehtonone at an AAV combines of $10.5 mil. WOOF

maata is not having a better year then Joki even if you call it a tie you save 3 mil on Joki. he tired to patch things with 3 guys that are constantly hurt. is anybody shocked that shaw is out of the season? if you can predict something to happen then you cannot complain when it does. Shaw gets hurt every year and everybody knew he was 1 hit away from maybe being out of the league and we traded for him with 3 years left on his deal?

Arguably Stan's worst moves were overpaying Kane and Toews, hindsight is always 2020 with the cap and he certainly would have been fired by now had they gone elsewhere and overpaying Seebrook. Everything else "you shoot you make or miss," just like every other GM.
- rpeters01

Those deals would not have been done without the complete buy-in by Rocky, with input on the marketing side by McDonough. Look at Theo, he had carte blanche, until he didn't. As to the overpay, remember who Toews and Kane's agent is Pat Brisson, the Scott Boras of hockey.

Arguably Stan's worst moves were overpaying Kane and Toews, hindsight is always 2020 with the cap and he certainly would have been fired by now had they gone elsewhere and overpaying Seebrook. Everything else "you shoot you make or miss," just like every other GM.
- rpeters01

Kane and teows might have been overpaid by 1 mil each? Seabs was overpaid by 5 mil per year each. pretty big difference.

maata is not having a better year then Joki even if you call it a tie you save 3 mil on Joki. he tired to patch things with 3 guys that are constantly hurt. is anybody shocked that shaw is out of the season? if you can predict something to happen then you cannot complain when it does. Shaw gets hurt every year and everybody knew he was 1 hit away from maybe being out of the league and we traded for him with 3 years left on his deal?
- kmw4631

By what metric?

I find the goalie situation particularly interesting, mostly because there are a few ways the team could go. My preference would be to re-sign Lehner to a long term (4-5 years) deal then worry about a back-up later. But if I had to guess I think both Lehner and Crawford are gone next season.
- DarthKane

Nalimov (red font)

Niemi stood on his head in some of those games I think the Sharks series Hawks got lucky and caught lightening in a bottle.
- rpeters01

LOL what? The Hawks got lucky to SWEEP that team?

Game 1? 40+ shots each team- SOGs fairly even, Sharks had 5 powerplays to Hawks ZERO
Game 2? Both teams SOG in 20s, Hawks with a PP advantage this game
Game 3? Both teams high SOG, Sharks enjoy decided PP advantage 6-2
Game 4? Hawks sweep out the pretenders, allowing only 18 shots on goal.

Niemi played good in this series, but don't pretend it was some sort of fluky win by the Hawks. The Hawks were the better team, clearly.

Why does the Shaw trade get Bowman fired? Yes he has concussion issues, but what player in the league now hasn't had concussions at some point during their career? Sorry all the Joki fans, Matta is having a better year than Joki is, both have the same number of points, Matta has 35 more blocks, about 40 more hits. Matta has 13 more giveaway than Henri, but has 16 more takeaways in 4 less games averaging a minute more than Joki. Matta is only 25, so he has plenty of tread left on his tires. Kahun is a nice player, but we needed Matta way more than Kahun.

Does Stan get any credit for getting Kubalik for a 5th rounder?

Until a week ago, everyone was wondering why KK was on the club, because he was a bust, he has 2 good weeks, and now you are saying he should of been playing top 6 all year, and that Bovquist should of been with the big club all year.

Nylander is a work in progress, no question about his skill, but at 21, Stan got hosed on the trade? Maybe, maybe not. I don't think Joki would get much more in a trade this year than last.

I would submit the following GM's had way worse off season's than Bowman:

Poile-Nashville
Nill-Dallas
Wilson - San Jose
Botterill Buffalo
Shero - New Jesey (canned)

Here is a question to you: Fire Stan, who would you replace him with?I bet I can make an argument that whoever you select that has any GM experience I can poke holes as to why was he hired because of bad trades, signings that he made when he was a GM previously.
- LAHawk

No. The credit for all good moves goes to Scotty as Stan only makes bad moves.

Kane and teows might have been overpaid by 1 mil each? Seabs was overpaid by 5 mil per year each. pretty big difference.
- kmw4631

Seabs was paid the right amount for how he finished the season. He went down hill much faster than expected and at his age should have been 4yrs max and that was throwing him a bone. In defense of Stan, Seebs had always been a warrior, meant a lot in the locker room and defensemen sometimes do play to a ripe old age.