I thought Hossa ended the first year of LTIR on it and was traded before the second? If so, why did they bother trading him?
- rpeters01

I think there are some off season rules where it makes it easier if they don't have a player on LTIR.

I thought Hossa ended the first year of LTIR on it and was traded before the second? If so, why did they bother trading him?
- rpeters01

But also, to my initial point, there's no way Toronto was cap compliant on day one with $16M in LTIR.

Good for Matthew answered the bell!
Old time hockey! The only bell that would get answered in this city would be either tinker or doorbell.
Hope the NHL channel stays with this game and it’s entirety

Thanks Ty and Fox - nice overview on the team we don't get to see much. I have 2 questions, Why 3 goalies, and why 7 d-men?
- powerenforcer

You bet, PE.

Your guess is as good as mine as to why 3 goalies and 7 on D. Not much intel in the way of interviews or articles that point to the reasoning.

One guess on why 3 goalies is wanting to groom them at the AHL level to see what they have in the pipeline before having to make choices with who could be the NHL backup next season and seeing if there will be a Rockford spot or not for Gravel.

Rolling 7 deep on the blueline is just unnecessary when there are enough forwards to start 12 of them, even if some are ECHL material.

But also, to my initial point, there's no way Toronto was cap compliant on day one with $16M in LTIR.
- tvetter

The Hogs had 37 different players start games for them. Injuries, some players coming up to the Hawks, other personnel moves. It must be hard to get consistency. By comparison the Admirals have only had 29 players start games for them.

Coaching is a question/unknown (as to quality).

The Hawks do not have a true top 6 forward in Rockford. (that is why I would hate to see them move Saad.) You could argue Sikura, Hagel, Kurashev. But I would say they are middle 6 at best.

On D there is hope that Beaudin is a top 4 defender. After that mainly bottom 4 defenders. Mitchell is looking pretty important.

I don't really understand the reason for 3 goalies. You would think they would want Tomkins to be playing regularly in Indy. If the Hawks move Crow or Lehner and fall out of the playoff race we could see Lankinen and Delia shuttled back and forth. I would like to see them play some games in the NHL.
- -Doh-

All of your points are bang on.

As to whether King is the right coach, I've wondered that as well. From what I've gathered in his interviews, he seems to put more stock in prospect development and not worry too much about the W-L record.

For example, a phrase he uses a lot is "coaching the junior" out of a player so they realize they're not going to put up video game stats anymore and need to learn how to be a complete player who does the little things to win, i.e. show high compete and push the pace in all zones.

In the same vein, King does compliment European players like Carlsson for having the mentality and physical game of a youngster who came up through Canadian juniors. I would put Soderlund in that category, too, as his fearlessness to play in high traffic areas is custom built for North American ice.

As evidenced in the SCH article, King does focus on helping players like Sikura and Hagel get past the notion that goals and assists are the only benchmarks of being an impact player. Instead, he wants them to just generate positive results with and without the puck.

Good for Matthew answered the bell!
Old time hockey! The only bell that would get answered in this city would be either tinker or doorbell.
Hope the NHL channel stays with this game and it’s entirety
- wonthecup10

HHHHHaaaaaaaa. Nice Cup.

HHHHHaaaaaaaa. Nice Cup.
- 6628

Not because of what happen tonight but I have said it before that I would trade little cat straight up for any one of the two Tkachuk brothers and not bat an eye.
(frank)ing Bowman And Epstein, two peas in a piss pot. I was flipping between a lot of the games tonight and saw Joe Maddon in the ducks room reading the lineup, Started to think about him and Coach Q. Now we’re stuck with David Ross and Jeremy Colliton, 2 robots that will take orders from their general managers, or do I call him topo and Gigio!

You can be over by Shaw's salary if you put him on before game 1, you just lose the ability of using his LTIR for accrued cap pace or to pay for bunuses.

If you put players on LTIR before the season because the player would put you over the cap on day 1, no LTIR money accrues for the player, and no relief for bonuses etc.
- LAHawk

I hope Shaw can make a full recovery, he's a guy I want on the team.

If Stan needs to move a contract I think it's Maatta and/or Saad that are the first to go. I don't necessarily want either to go but they're the easiest to trade. Maatta could also be bought out, $680K for 4 years could be manageable.

Smith might be moved, if Stan's willing to retain 50%. That would be better than a buyout which would carry a cap hit of about $1 million for 2 seasons.

Kubalik, Strome, Highmore, Caggiula Lankinen and K4 are RFA's. Hawks are in the strong position. Historically very very few RFA's have been signed away by other teams. If another team signs them and the Hawks do not match the Hawks get back draft picks. $1.4 mil a 3rd round pick, $2.1 mil a 2nd round pick, $4.2 mil a 1st and a 3rd, $6.3 mil a 1st, 2nd, 3rd. If they choose to sign Cagiulla, Highmore, K4, Lankinen the total might not be $5mil. Kubalik and Strome they may try to sign bridge deals. Kubalik $2 mil to $3 mil per. Strome maybe $4 to $5 mil. They sign Mitchell to an entry level deal at about $1 mil. They probably trade or buyout Smith creating some cap space. They trade Maatta. They have about $7 mil to sign Lehner. It fits under the cap. Then they LTIR Shaw on day one and they have $3.9 mil in cap space on day 2.
- -Doh-

Wondering if there could be a general agreement with Strome (maybe a 5-6-7 contract like was done with Debrincat), but have him "hold out" until after game 1 so the LTIR money can offset that and keep them under the cap. If I recall that sort of worked out for Toronto this year (with Marner contract?).

Otherwise, if Lehner is resigned at say 7M per, then one of Strome, Saad, or Debrincat will have to go. One of them probably would have to be traded by draft time.

D Gilbert recalled. Wonder why?

D Gilbert recalled. Wonder why?
- jhawk59

Maybe gust or kkkk is getting traded?

D Gilbert recalled. Wonder why?
- jhawk59

Every team carries at least 7 dmem

Wondering if there could be a general agreement with Strome (maybe a 5-6-7 contract like was done with Debrincat), but have him "hold out" until after game 1 so the LTIR money can offset that and keep them under the cap. If I recall that sort of worked out for Toronto this year (with Marner contract?).

Otherwise, if Lehner is resigned at say 7M per, then one of Strome, Saad, or Debrincat will have to go. One of them probably would have to be traded by draft time.
- totem

Marner signed in mid September.

Wondering if there could be a general agreement with Strome (maybe a 5-6-7 contract like was done with Debrincat), but have him "hold out" until after game 1 so the LTIR money can offset that and keep them under the cap. If I recall that sort of worked out for Toronto this year (with Marner contract?).

Otherwise, if Lehner is resigned at say 7M per, then one of Strome, Saad, or Debrincat will have to go. One of them probably would have to be traded by draft time.
- totem

This. There are several ways to use LTIR to circumvent the cap. Toronto used it this year. We can next..

Not because of what happen tonight but I have said it before that I would trade little cat straight up for any one of the two Tkachuk brothers and not bat an eye.
(frank)ing Bowman And Epstein, two peas in a piss pot. I was flipping between a lot of the games tonight and saw Joe Maddon in the ducks room reading the lineup, Started to think about him and Coach Q. Now we’re stuck with David Ross and Jeremy Colliton, 2 robots that will take orders from their general managers, or do I call him topo and Gigio!
- wonthecup10

Everyone has to start somewhere.

A million years ago when I was playing the game if a guy went out of his way to run guys on the other team it didn't take long before guys were getting run on both teams all over the place. And that includes everyone, especially the other teams best players. But back then if you put your head down you were going to get run, it was understood. There wasn't a fight after every good hit like today.

The real standings after last nights games.
Team GP PTS PTS/G
Blues 51 70 1.373 1st Cen
Av's 49 62 1.265 2nd Cen
Stars 50 62 1.240 3rd Cen
Canucks 51 62 1.216 1st Pac
Oilers 50 58 1.160 2nd Pac
Flames 52 60 1.154 3rd Pac
Yotes 52 57 1.096 WC
Knights 52 57 1.096 WC
Preds 49 53 1.082
Jets 51 54 1.059
Hawks 51 54 1.059
Wild 50 52 1.040
Sharks 52 48 0.923
Ducks 50 45 0.900
Kings 51 41 0.804

I hope Shaw can make a full recovery, he's a guy I want on the team.

If Stan needs to move a contract I think it's Maatta and/or Saad that are the first to go. I don't necessarily want either to go but they're the easiest to trade. Maatta could also be bought out, $680K for 4 years could be manageable.

Smith might be moved, if Stan's willing to retain 50%. That would be better than a buyout which would carry a cap hit of about $1 million for 2 seasons.
- DarthKane

I agree.
It would be great if Shaw recovers and is able to play a full season. I think he is taking the Crosby approach after he had a few concussions. Take a long time off to be sure you are ready to play. It seemed to work for Crosby, but each case is different.

If someone needs to be moved we have more dmen in the pipeline than forwards (Beaudin, Mitchell) so I think Maatta would be moved (though I am ok with him as a 2nd/3rd pairing Dman) instead of Saad.

I actually think Smith is ok as a 3rd/4th center and is contributing. But for cap reasons he needs to be moved. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I think Smith, Gus, Sikura could be moved before the TDL either separately or packaged with other players, prospects or picks. None of them will get you much in return.

I think the Hawks keep both Crow and Lehner until the end of the season. Then try to resign one of them. Lehner more dollars and longer term. If they cannot sign him they sign Crow for smaller dollars for 1 year (max 2 years).

Zach kassian extended by Edm. 4 yrs $3.2 mil. AAV
- LAHawk

Is Stan doing the negotiating for the Oilers?

I agree.
It would be great if Shaw recovers and is able to play a full season. I think he is taking the Crosby approach after he had a few concussions. Take a long time off to be sure you are ready to play. It seemed to work for Crosby, but each case is different.

If someone needs to be moved we have more dmen in the pipeline than forwards (Beaudin, Mitchell) so I think Maatta would be moved (though I am ok with him as a 2nd/3rd pairing Dman) instead of Saad.

I actually think Smith is ok as a 3rd/4th center and is contributing. But for cap reasons he needs to be moved. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I think Smith, Gus, Sikura could be moved before the TDL either separately or packaged with other players, prospects or picks. None of them will get you much in return.

I think the Hawks keep both Crow and Lehner until the end of the season. Then try to resign one of them. Lehner more dollars and longer term. If they cannot sign him they sign Crow for smaller dollars for 1 year (max 2 years).
- -Doh-

I find the goalie situation particularly interesting, mostly because there are a few ways the team could go. My preference would be to re-sign Lehner to a long term (4-5 years) deal then worry about a back-up later. But if I had to guess I think both Lehner and Crawford are gone next season.

Is Stan doing the negotiating for the Oilers?
- DarthKane

Sign and trade.

Everyone has to start somewhere.

A million years ago when I was playing the game if a guy went out of his way to run guys on the other team it didn't take long before guys were getting run on both teams all over the place. And that includes everyone, especially the other teams best players. But back then if you put your head down you were going to get run, it was understood. There wasn't a fight after every good hit like today.
- 6628

6628, that is my axe to grind, agree with you,

I find the goalie situation particularly interesting, mostly because there are a few ways the team could go. My preference would be to re-sign Lehner to a long term (4-5 years) deal then worry about a back-up later. But if I had to guess I think both Lehner and Crawford are gone next season.
- DarthKane

Could well be. I think Lehner signs elsewhere for more bucks and more term than the Hawks want to give. Hawks sign Crow to a 1 year deal for about $5 mil and Delia or Lankinen (signed to a deal similar to Delia's) is the back up. If Crow gets hurt and goes on LTIR they trade for a decent veteran backup off another team. There usually are plenty available at low cost.

https://www.tsn.ca/countd...-trade-deadline-1.1435022

Interesting story on TSN. The Peg is in a similar situation as the Hawks. In the mix for a wild card spot, but not cup contenders, players on IR, plenty of RFA's and UFA's after this season. They do not want to mortgage their future just to make the playoffs this year. If they do sell at the TDL that may be one less team the Hawks need to fight with for the 2nd wild card spot.

Is Stan doing the negotiating for the Oilers?
- DarthKane

no doubt hey. im sure it included a full NMC