The only team not spending is Ottawa, almost every other team is at or near the cap. Trading for a LTIR only works in special circumstances, like when Marner was a threat to sit out the beginning of the year, and Toronto needed Clarkson's contract to be at the upper cap limit, to be able to use LTIR if others go on LTIR during the season (St. Louis has a boatload of LTIR to use because of Tarsenko).

If you put players on LTIR before the season because the plaer would put you over the cap on day 1, no LTIR money accrues for the player, and no relief for bonuses etc.
- LAHawk

Thanks for clarifying that.

Watching the TNT special last night about Kobe Bryant was rough. Never was a huge fan of his but reading/hearing testimonials about what a life change he made post 2003 was incredible.

Always admire athletes with an unsatisfying drive to the best at their craft.

And if Shaw and Seabrook are deemed fit to play on day 1?
- LAHawk

My calculations include Shaw and Seabs. If they are ready to play on day 1 you do not LTIR them on Day2. Go to Capfriendly and use the armchair GM tool for next season. The math works. It would be interesting to see what Seabs and Shaw look like in camp if they are over their health issues. They both will be overpaid but they could be usable in the 3rd pair and on the 3rd line.

over/under on trolls on twitter creating false rumors that get reposted here between today and 2/24?

I'll say at least 15. Probably way low...as they will be flowing in non stop from the 21st on. Including from this site.

E5
- SteveRain

Did you mean 1500 or 15000?

The only team not spending is Ottawa, almost every other team is at or near the cap. Trading for a LTIR only works in special circumstances, like when Marner was a threat to sit out the beginning of the year, and Toronto needed Clarkson's contract to be at the upper cap limit, to be able to use LTIR if others go on LTIR during the season (St. Louis has a boatload of LTIR to use because of Tarsenko).

If you put players on LTIR before the season because the plaer would put you over the cap on day 1, no LTIR money accrues for the player, and no relief for bonuses etc.
- LAHawk

Hmmm. Capfriendly is showing 8 teams with more than $10 mil in cap space and another 5 teams with over $5 mil. But I agree with you. There will be several willing teams to trade for short term LTIR players if the price is right. I doubt that the price will be right, with maybe an exception or two.

They are up against the cap.....again.

1. People can point to Seabrook or Shaw being bought out or retired but both will hang on for their money to be paid out. Believe you can't put them on LTIR until the 1st night of the year so they have to be cap compliant with those 2 AGAINST the books.

2. Saad is a luxury you can afford to pay for WHEN your window to win a cup is there .Hawks don't have luxury that right now and show me a prospect below who is going to step in replace DeBrincat's offense. Who? Dach is anything but a GIVEN to be a top 3 or top 6 center at this time. Not saying he's a bust but he's far from the lighting the world on fire so far.

Kubalik…..has had a very nice run but usually in year 2 or year 3 these guys take a step back as the league adjusts and then it's up to the player to adjust back.

3. Does anyone know what DeBrincat's ceiling is? Im pretty sure I know what Saad is going to give you...20+ goals, a solid 200 ft game, and a contributor to the PK> He's not a guy Id count to produce on the PP or 1 of my 6 guys when I need a goal with an empty net, or even a shoot out choice.

Trading Saad now with another whole year left on his deal will net you a very nice return...because if Bowman pays Brandon Saad anything more then 6,999,999.99 AAV on his next deal he should be replaced. You are already way too top heavy with Toews, Kane, Seabrook, and Keith and soon to be a #1 goalie.....throwing in a 7+ AAV 3rd line depth scorer is just fiscally stupid.
- SteveRain

Is it possible for a team to do as well or better when rebuilding if they LTIR guys they know won't play on day1 so that on day 2 they can take on horsepoop contracts for good picks and prospects? If a team has a large contract they cannot shed to me seems like a plan B. Especially for a team with a .500 record. They can make their best push for the playoffs and take themselves out of the lottery. But then they can cherry pick a contract to take back depending on the return.
Maybe. I think.

Switching gears.....

You have $70,129,000 committed next year already

All accounts are predicting the cap ceiling to land between 83-85 million

Call it $84,000,000

That leaves Bowman.....$13,871,000 to fit in the following

Caggiula, Strome, Kubalik, Koekoek, and Highmore at F and D

The organization has all of 2 goalies signed beyond this year....Tomkins (700K) and Delia (1,000,000)

Meaning you still need to sign Lankinen and a #1

I didnt' include Gustafsson because if Bowman extends him he should be fired on the spot.

Point is they are going to have to subtract a decent amount to get this all cap compliant.

Who is taking on an injury risk like Shaw or Seabrook or Dehaan unless the Hawks are taking back HUGE money?

IMO....we can all sit here and debate what Lehner should be getting or him vs CRow but the 2 I look at very closely are Kubalik and Strome.

I wonder out loud if Bowman would have the stones to deal Strome and accumulate a pick and/or prospects back IF he feels Dach could be that guy in the 2 pivot?

I also wonder how much tolerance Bowman will have with Kubalik's camp if the guy wants 4-5AAV if he hits 35+ goals which is very possible.


This deadline is going to be fascinating especially if the Hawks are still in contention. Does Bowman risk losing some assets for nothing (50 or 40 or 56) to go for it and would he sacrifice a guy like (17) to help get his books in order for this summer and beyond.....I don't envy his position but there are a LOT of moving pieces to all this....more so then any other recent year.
- SteveRain

Stan put himself in cap hell just to be a bubble team at best

Trading DeHaan or Shaw gets you nothing, buying them out saves you nothing.

He can't afford RL, DK, DC, 4K especially if they all have a good 2nd half. So if all
4 have a good second half, Saad/Matta at minimum will go off season at Chiarelli
prices to be able to afford keeping them all

Smith might get you a 4th

What he needs to do is take on expiring contracts for assets, i.e. Galchenyuk and a 2nd for Gus, or Galchenyuk and a 1st for Saad and Sikura, and if done then flip Galchenyuk to the Isles while keeping salary for a conditional 2nd/3rd

Take Bogossian and a 2nd from Buf for Hagel/Kampf then flip Bog to the Jets
for a conditional 2nd/3rd/ or if we get Galchenyuk use him in this trade rather
than Hagel....but these are the trades he needs to make, will he is the question

No matter the solution Stan brought this on by his lonesome no one put a gun to his head. Just my $0.02

so funny, people just say "buy out this guy", "trade out that guy", like its that easy? when was the last time SB did something like that? contracts comes off the books via LTIR or it expires. trades normally has contract coming back. Remember Saad's trade? Panarin? Anisimov? I would be definitely surprise if SB trades a contract without another contract coming back or actually buy a contract out. history will show you that SB will most likely retain and give a contract to a player (possibly Gus) when he shouldn't.

Kubalik, Strome and Caggs are all RFA, Kubalik has one good year (so far) and you throw a 4m x 3yrs new contract? Strome has been injury plaqued this year and was only good last year and hes worth 5-6m? thats crazy. how is he without Dcat? if Caggs asks for more than 1.5, let him sit out the season, same with Koko.

Wayne Messmer.......Please fire Cornelison and hire Wayne back.
- powerenforcer

This .... lol I always crack up watching Jimmy's gestures - they seem so spontaneous and unscripted ... Wayne was always up in the organ loft - not at centre stage - so it seemed to actually be about the singing not the singer.

Man -they did a bobble head for their anthem singer iirc. Gotta love that marketing.

Just saw Gilbert has been recalled from Rockford.

Hmmm. Capfriendly is showing 8 teams with more than $10 mil in cap space and another 5 teams with over $5 mil. But I agree with you. There will be several willing teams to trade for short term LTIR players if the price is right. I doubt that the price will be right, with maybe an exception or two.
- -Doh-[/qu

My point was that I think Ottawa is the only team that needs to use a LTIR (like Hossa, cap hit of $5 mil., actual cash outlay of $1 mil. to get to the cap floor. With new ownership, Arizona and Carolina are spending way more than the cap floor, thus they are not interested in Hossa type contracts.

If i understand the ltir this money is to field a team while players are out if you use it you are now over the cap( legally) and even if you have additional ltir money to use it can’t go against any of the player bonuses which would move to next years cap.

Stan put himself in cap hell just to be a bubble team at best

Trading DeHaan or Shaw gets you nothing, buying them out saves you nothing.

He can't afford RL, DK, DC, 4K especially if they all have a good 2nd half. So if all
4 have a good second half, Saad/Matta at minimum will go off season at Chiarelli
prices to be able to afford keeping them all

Smith might get you a 4th

What he needs to do is take on expiring contracts for assets, i.e. Galchenyuk and a 2nd for Gus, or Galchenyuk and a 1st for Saad and Sikura, and if done then flip Galchenyuk to the Isles while keeping salary for a conditional 2nd/3rd

Take Bogossian and a 2nd from Buf for Hagel/Kampf then flip Bog to the Jets
for a conditional 2nd/3rd/ or if we get Galchenyuk use him in this trade rather
than Hagel....but these are the trades he needs to make, will he is the question

No matter the solution Stan brought this on by his lonesome no one put a gun to his head. Just my $0.02
- gazza53

So what you are saying is:

Never should of traded for DeHaan, who was arguably the Hawks best (certainly most consistent) defenseman when he played. If he was not injured, was a boat anchor and the Hawks would get nothing for him either at the TDL, or after the year, if the Hawks pooped the bed

Bring back Shaw who could and did play up and down the line-up that would of been untradeable at the trade deadline or at end of year if the Hawks pooped the bed.

Shouldn't of signed Lehner for one year and gone with Crow and Delia.

Had foresight to know that Kubalik was going to score at least 25 goals in his first year.

Caggiula and 4K with the 10% mandatory increase will combine make $2.667mil. next year, which is basically minimum wage players.

So if they sign Lehner and have to trade Saad, is that a good trade? Lehner for Saad, cause that is basically what the Hawks will have to do, barring a Matta/Murphy trade. Or under your scenario, Crawford and Delia would of been the goalies, Kubalik would of had at best kahun numbers, DeHaan and Matta would of been replaced with the likes of Forsling/Andrez Sekara for $1.5 mil. Then what would you be saying fire Stan, because the Hawks would be with the Red Wings for most balls in the lottery?

i like how the Hawks are set up cap wise than Nashville, who have only 14 players signed for next year at $70 Million.

Zach kassian extended by Edm. 4 yrs $3.2 mil. AAV

My calculations include Shaw and Seabs. If they are ready to play on day 1 you do not LTIR them on Day2. Go to Capfriendly and use the armchair GM tool for next season. The math works. It would be interesting to see what Seabs and Shaw look like in camp if they are over their health issues. They both will be overpaid but they could be usable in the 3rd pair and on the 3rd line.
- -Doh-

Shaw's too much of a gamble I would buy him out.

why would you buy out LTIR people. Shaw will go on it permaently come sept and im guessing De Haan is one hit away as well.
- SaskHawkFan

Because you have to be cap compliant counting guys on LTIR.

I really don't think they have to be cap compliant on day 1 including players on LTIR. There is no way Toronto was this year. They have $16M in LTIR contracts, and are using $13.3 according to capfriendly. There's no way they could bury that much money in the AHL.

ETA: I believe if a player ends the season on LTIR, they can start the next season on LTIR. Hossa didn't end his season on LTIR, so the Hawks had to include his cap hit on day 1.

Because you have to be cap compliant counting guys on LTIR.
- rpeters01

You can be over by Shaw's salary if you put him on before game 1, you just lose the ability of using his LTIR for accrued cap pace or to pay for bunuses.

If you put players on LTIR before the season because the player would put you over the cap on day 1, no LTIR money accrues for the player, and no relief for bonuses etc.

Don’t worry Chicago, a few more weeks to go; but I have a few things lined up.

After speaking with a few individuals about playing for Coach Q this year, I have some options.

Dale Tallon said he would give me:

LW Hoffman, LD Matheson, RD Pysyk, and prospects G Knight & LW Denisenko

For Saad, Keith, and Crow ($3 mil retained)

Edmonton called me and heard I had traded for Hoffman and they offered:

RW Gagner, RW Puljujarvi, C Lavoie and 1st 2020 for Hoffman ($2.6 retained), Gustafsson ($600k retained) and Sikura

I also have spoken to Lehner regarding a handshake agreement on contract of 4 yrs @ $7 mil per after the season....and after my trade to Carolina which looks like this:

Lehner ($2.5 retained) Maatta, Pysyk ($1.3 retained) for G Mrazek, LD Edmundson, and prospects LD Bean & RW Bokk

My buddy Dubas called up and needs G & D... so he proposed:
Mrazek, Edmundson ($1.5 retained), Drake ($750 retained), and Gagner ($1.5 retained)
For: RW Kapanen, Prospect LW Robertson and a 2nd 2020

Lastly Chevy in Winnipeg is giving me a 3rd 2020 for Smith & McCoshen

I had to get Rocky’s approval, spending his $ like that....or McD would can my ass.

2020 is the year of the wheelin’ and dealin’

(Waiting for Tyler’s trade post in a few weeks)

I’m okay with Stan, just don’t trade with the Habs anymore. Danault should be here and Shaw should be there. Water under the bridge now.

Don’t worry Chicago, a few more weeks to go; but I have a few things lined up.

After speaking with a few individuals about playing for Coach Q this year, I have some options.

Dale Tallon said he would give me:

LW Hoffman, LD Matheson, RD Pysyk, and prospects G Knight & LW Denisenko

For Saad, Keith, and Crow ($3 mil retained)

Edmonton called me and heard I had traded for Hoffman and they offered:

RW Gagner, RW Puljujarvi, C Lavoie and 1st 2020 for Hoffman ($2.6 retained), Gustafsson ($600k retained) and Sikura

I also have spoken to Lehner regarding a handshake agreement on contract of 4 yrs @ $7 mil per after the season....and after my trade to Carolina which looks like this:

Lehner ($2.5 retained) Maatta, Pysyk ($1.3 retained) for G Mrazek, LD Edmundson, and prospects LD Bean & RW Bokk

My buddy Dubas called up and needs G & D... so he proposed:
Mrazek, Edmundson ($1.5 retained), Drake ($750 retained), and Gagner ($1.5 retained)
For: RW Kapanen, Prospect LW Robertson and a 2nd 2020

Lastly Chevy in Winnipeg is giving me a 3rd 2020 for Smith & McCoshen

I had to get Rocky’s approval, spending his $ like that....or McD would can my ass.

2020 is the year of the wheelin’ and dealin’

(Waiting for Tyler’s trade post in a few weeks)
- TradeDeadline_StanBo

Wouldn't be surprised to see Ek post a couple of those trade possibilities.

Ovie going for hat tricks in 3 consecutive games.
1st time in NHL history? He has one after the 1st period against the Preds. 3-2 NSH.

Ovie going for hat tricks in 3 consecutive games.
1st time in NHL history? He has one after the 1st period against the Preds. 3-2 NSH.
- boilermaker100

From Bleacher Report (how accurate they are I don’t know):

The most consecutive hat tricks (three-or-more goal games) belongs to Joe Malone, (1917–18 and again later in the same season) and Mike Bossy (1980–81), three.

From Bleacher Report (how accurate they are I don’t know):

The most consecutive hat tricks (three-or-more goal games) belongs to Joe Malone, (1917–18 and again later in the same season) and Mike Bossy (1980–81), three.
- StLBravesFan

Thanks for the info!

I really don't think they have to be cap compliant on day 1 including players on LTIR. There is no way Toronto was this year. They have $16M in LTIR contracts, and are using $13.3 according to capfriendly. There's no way they could bury that much money in the AHL.

ETA: I believe if a player ends the season on LTIR, they can start the next season on LTIR. Hossa didn't end his season on LTIR, so the Hawks had to include his cap hit on day 1.
- tvetter

I thought Hossa ended the first year of LTIR on it and was traded before the second? If so, why did they bother trading him?

Thanks for the info!
- boilermaker100

Don’t go to sleep on Joe Malone - 143 goals in 126 games over 6 seasons. 18 hat tricks.