Who said it's just honoring the past veterans?

The reason these games are played is because of the brave men/women who give us that freedom every second of every day.

My issue with Corneilson is that he's made that about HIM with his point at the flag. Just sing the anthem and move along.
- SteveRain

Steve I have to agree with you about that. I am a season ticket holder and even though I like the cheering, me personally because I have lost Friends, children of friends and family members in combat, I stand with my Right hand over my heart and remain silent. My own personal belief will be I will cheer when I know that everyone of those young men and women are back on US soil safely. But that’s just me.
I totally agree with you about the pointing at the flag bullpoop, that has been Mimicked and if it wasn’t for him doing it none of these other fans would. I don’t see them doing that at any other Chicago sporting event I agree with you enough for the pointing at the flag poop and seen the anthem and MoveOn.

Fire Cornellison - DONT hire Messmer - just end the meaningless false patriotism of singing the National anthem(s) before every mundane athletic event.

Figure out a better way to honor the veterans of past wars.
- StLBravesFan

Agreed...plus, Wayne’s voice ain’t what it used to be either.

Switching gears.....

You have $70,129,000 committed next year already

All accounts are predicting the cap ceiling to land between 83-85 million

Call it $84,000,000

That leaves Bowman.....$13,871,000 to fit in the following

Caggiula, Strome, Kubalik, Koekoek, and Highmore at F and D

The organization has all of 2 goalies signed beyond this year....Tomkins (700K) and Delia (1,000,000)

Meaning you still need to sign Lankinen and a #1

I didnt' include Gustafsson because if Bowman extends him he should be fired on the spot.

Point is they are going to have to subtract a decent amount to get this all cap compliant.

Who is taking on an injury risk like Shaw or Seabrook or Dehaan unless the Hawks are taking back HUGE money?

IMO....we can all sit here and debate what Lehner should be getting or him vs CRow but the 2 I look at very closely are Kubalik and Strome.

I wonder out loud if Bowman would have the stones to deal Strome and accumulate a pick and/or prospects back IF he feels Dach could be that guy in the 2 pivot?

I also wonder how much tolerance Bowman will have with Kubalik's camp if the guy wants 4-5AAV if he hits 35+ goals which is very possible.


This deadline is going to be fascinating especially if the Hawks are still in contention. Does Bowman risk losing some assets for nothing (50 or 40 or 56) to go for it and would he sacrifice a guy like (17) to help get his books in order for this summer and beyond.....I don't envy his position but there are a LOT of moving pieces to all this....more so then any other recent year.
- SteveRain

the simplest fix is to trade out Saad. your 70m caphit goes down to 65m (5mil cap relief, replace by re-signing Highmore at less than 1m)

then bridge deal Caggs (1.5m), Kubalik (2.5), Strome (4.5). =8.5 + 65 = 73.50caphit. you essentially have 10mil to re-sign Lehner (max 7.5) and Koko (1m or less) AND maybe Gust (no more than the 1.3m. I know, unpopular opinion, if hes not traded by TDL, I can see Bowman giving him another year. See Rundblad/Rozsival)

trade out Smith if more space needed, he will net about an extra 2m capspace if done right

the simplest fix is to trade out Saad. your 70m caphit goes down to 65m (5mil cap relief, replace by re-signing Highmore at less than 1m)

then bridge deal Caggs (1.5m), Kubalik (2.5), Strome (4.5). =8.5 + 65 = 73.50caphit. you essentially have 10mil to re-sign Lehner (max 7.5) and Koko (1m or less) AND maybe Gust (no more than the 1.3m. I know, unpopular opinion, if hes not traded by TDL, I can see Bowman giving him another year. See Rundblad/Rozsival)

trade out Smith if more space needed, he will net about an extra 2m capspace if done right
- squishy24

Buyout Shaw and deHaan or Smith if none are tradable. You are way low on Strome and Kubalik the way he is going. Gus is gone , 4K I have no clue what he's worth? I hope we can get Lehner for $7x?... Really don't want to lose Saad he's difficult to play against, scores and PK's. There are guys who PK and guys who give up goals PKing. Saad has always been good and Toews won't play the PK forever.

Buyout Shaw and deHaan or Smith if none are tradable. You are way low on Strome and Kubalik the way he is going. Gus is gone , 4K I have no clue what he's worth? I hope we can get Lehner for $7x?... Really don't want to lose Saad he's difficult to play against, scores and PK's. There are guys who PK and guys who give up goals PKing. Saad has always been good and Toews won't play the PK forever.
- rpeters01

Looking back we gave up nothing for dehaan but why give up a 2nd and 3rd for a guy that has that many injuries. should have been a 3rd and 4th. my guess is they trade maata and buyout smith.

the simplest fix is to trade out Saad. your 70m caphit goes down to 65m (5mil cap relief, replace by re-signing Highmore at less than 1m)

then bridge deal Caggs (1.5m), Kubalik (2.5), Strome (4.5). =8.5 + 65 = 73.50caphit. you essentially have 10mil to re-sign Lehner (max 7.5) and Koko (1m or less) AND maybe Gust (no more than the 1.3m. I know, unpopular opinion, if hes not traded by TDL, I can see Bowman giving him another year. See Rundblad/Rozsival)

trade out Smith if more space needed, he will net about an extra 2m capspace if done right
- squishy24

Trade Maatta and Gus and buy out Smith and there's 6 million plus the added benefit of addition by subtraction.

Buyout Shaw and deHaan or Smith if none are tradable. You are way low on Strome and Kubalik the way he is going. Gus is gone , 4K I have no clue what he's worth? I hope we can get Lehner for $7x?... Really don't want to lose Saad he's difficult to play against, scores and PK's. There are guys who PK and guys who give up goals PKing. Saad has always been good and Toews won't play the PK forever.
- rpeters01

Smith is the only one that makes any sense.

Smith (3M salary) - buyout saves 2M and cost 1M against the cap next two seasons

Shaw - (3.9M) buyout would only save 2M in 20, 1.1M in 21, and -$775,000 in 22 & 23

de Haan (4.1M) - buyout would only save 2.5 in 20, 3.8 in 21, and 1.5 in 22 & 23

de Haan makes some sense but when healthy he's probably our 2nd best defensemen

Smith is the only one that makes any sense.

Smith (3M salary) - buyout saves 2M and cost 1M against the cap next two seasons

Shaw - (3.9M) buyout would only save 2M in 20, 1.1M in 21, and -$775,000 in 22 & 23

de Haan (4.1M) - buyout would only save 2.5 in 20, 3.8 in 21, and 1.5 in 22 & 23

de Haan makes some sense but when healthy he's probably our 2nd best defensemen
- Savetheembers33

why would you buy out LTIR people. Shaw will go on it permaently come sept and im guessing De Haan is one hit away as well.

why would you buy out LTIR people. Shaw will go on it permaently come sept and im guessing De Haan is one hit away as well.
- SaskHawkFan

Because I think - every season - you have to cap compliant with (say) Shaw's cap hit included on day one of each new season.

So you can't use his LTIR cap space to sign a long term contract with a player in the summer.

LTIR can save you about 2 mil in cap space if you have guys that you can send down to the AHL. IE dach and boquist and maybe nylander. you only need to carry 20 players at the start of the year and then you can put the guy on LTIR and then bring them up. 22 is kind of the min for roster size.

Hockey Trade rumor news being reported out of Philly. Chicago isn't able to come to terms with resigning Gus and it's rumored a straight up trade Gus for Ghost. Can anyone else confirm this news ?

Steve I have to agree with you about that. I am a season ticket holder and even though I like the cheering, me personally because I have lost Friends, children of friends and family members in combat, I stand with my Right hand over my heart and remain silent. My own personal belief will be I will cheer when I know that everyone of those young men and women are back on US soil safely. But that’s just me.
I totally agree with you about the pointing at the flag bullpoop, that has been Mimicked and if it wasn’t for him doing it none of these other fans would. I don’t see them doing that at any other Chicago sporting event I agree with you enough for the pointing at the flag poop and seen the anthem and MoveOn.
- wonthecup10

Thanks....I cheer but I respect the flag. I don't want it to sound like bee otching about a marketing gimmick. I was raised following the hawks and my 1st game against the Nordiques in the 87ish era as a 8 yr old....Ill never forget. Hawks got up 6-0....pops paid a kid on the street to "watch our car" and we left mid way through the 3rd. Was an afternoon game.

Its an experience and it also serves a purpose....nothing wrong with cheering your country along.

Agreed...plus, Wayne’s voice ain’t what it used to be either.
- Ogilthorpe2

Met Wayne in a bar after a Hawks game with Foley. Probably at the end of the 08 year. Remember when Wayne got shot in the throat and how it affected his acoustics in his performance.

IIRC he bad mouthed the Hawks in the 90s and got banished to the Wolves.....and the Cubs.

Trade Maatta and Gus and buy out Smith and there's 6 million plus the added benefit of addition by subtraction.
- fattybeef

All good points to the original post.

IMO...Kubalik is probably a 4-5 AAV guy. Guessing 3 years max, maybe 2 if his agent is sleek.

Strome....I wouldn't pay him a $0.01 more then DeBrincat and If I had to guess I think he lands somewhere in the 5.5-6 AAV for 3-4 years.

Koekkoek---no idea. I would guess at least 2 AAV if not slightly more


I think this whole thing on how goes, stays, etc is 100% reliant on what they do with Lehner. Im not saying I agree with it, but 5 yrs at 7 aav or a little north to total say....36-39 million....may get it done. Figure those conversations are heating up after what LeBrun reported last week. So either Bowman gets it done OR they trade him. Keeping him and letting him walk for $0 can't happen. Guy is your best asset to move and teams will be desperate for goalies.....Edmonton, Carolina, Colorado.....

Because I think - every season - you have to cap compliant with (say) Shaw's cap hit included on day one of each new season.

So you can't use his LTIR cap space to sign a long term contract with a player in the summer.
- StLBravesFan

I believe you are correct and that's what I was referencing earlier.

Believe it was 2013 before the lockout they signed Rozsival very late as they were working to get cap compliant.

Hockey Trade rumor news being reported out of Philly. Chicago isn't able to come to terms with resigning Gus and it's rumored a straight up trade Gus for Ghost. Can anyone else confirm this news ?
- Taylorst1

Is the website legit?

or

If it's on twitter is it coming from a blue check mark?

If the answer is no to either or both.....ignore.

why would you buy out LTIR people. Shaw will go on it permaently come sept and im guessing De Haan is one hit away as well.
- SaskHawkFan

If anything you'd have to throw a cherry with Shaw to move his money of the books if he's 100% done alla Hossa, Pronger, Clarkson, Savard, etc.

Read today that a former Canadian teammate said Shaw was done for the year....believe it was the athletic with Powers.

For the record I hope Kassian beats the living crap out of Tkachuk tonight. 2 blind side hits at the head by that goof.

Needs to get his @ss kicked so it will stop.

Hockey Trade rumor news being reported out of Philly. Chicago isn't able to come to terms with resigning Gus and it's rumored a straight up trade Gus for Ghost. Can anyone else confirm this news ?
- Taylorst1

Never happen.

Switching gears.....

You have $70,129,000 committed next year already

All accounts are predicting the cap ceiling to land between 83-85 million

Call it $84,000,000

That leaves Bowman.....$13,871,000 to fit in the following

Caggiula, Strome, Kubalik, Koekoek, and Highmore at F and D

The organization has all of 2 goalies signed beyond this year....Tomkins (700K) and Delia (1,000,000)

Meaning you still need to sign Lankinen and a #1

I didnt' include Gustafsson because if Bowman extends him he should be fired on the spot.

Point is they are going to have to subtract a decent amount to get this all cap compliant.

Who is taking on an injury risk like Shaw or Seabrook or Dehaan unless the Hawks are taking back HUGE money?

IMO....we can all sit here and debate what Lehner should be getting or him vs CRow but the 2 I look at very closely are Kubalik and Strome.

I wonder out loud if Bowman would have the stones to deal Strome and accumulate a pick and/or prospects back IF he feels Dach could be that guy in the 2 pivot?

I also wonder how much tolerance Bowman will have with Kubalik's camp if the guy wants 4-5AAV if he hits 35+ goals which is very possible.


This deadline is going to be fascinating especially if the Hawks are still in contention. Does Bowman risk losing some assets for nothing (50 or 40 or 56) to go for it and would he sacrifice a guy like (17) to help get his books in order for this summer and beyond.....I don't envy his position but there are a LOT of moving pieces to all this....more so then any other recent year.
- SteveRain

Kubalik, Strome, Highmore, Caggiula Lankinen and K4 are RFA's. Hawks are in the strong position. Historically very very few RFA's have been signed away by other teams. If another team signs them and the Hawks do not match the Hawks get back draft picks. $1.4 mil a 3rd round pick, $2.1 mil a 2nd round pick, $4.2 mil a 1st and a 3rd, $6.3 mil a 1st, 2nd, 3rd. If they choose to sign Cagiulla, Highmore, K4, Lankinen the total might not be $5mil. Kubalik and Strome they may try to sign bridge deals. Kubalik $2 mil to $3 mil per. Strome maybe $4 to $5 mil. They sign Mitchell to an entry level deal at about $1 mil. They probably trade or buyout Smith creating some cap space. They trade Maatta. They have about $7 mil to sign Lehner. It fits under the cap. Then they LTIR Shaw on day one and they have $3.9 mil in cap space on day 2.

Hockey Trade rumor news being reported out of Philly. Chicago isn't able to come to terms with resigning Gus and it's rumored a straight up trade Gus for Ghost. Can anyone else confirm this news ?
- Taylorst1

Icky yuck if true.

Never happen.
- DarthKane

over/under on trolls on twitter creating false rumors that get reposted here between today and 2/24?

I'll say at least 15. Probably way low...as they will be flowing in non stop from the 21st on. Including from this site.

E5

If anything you'd have to throw a cherry with Shaw to move his money of the books if he's 100% done alla Hossa, Pronger, Clarkson, Savard, etc.

Read today that a former Canadian teammate said Shaw was done for the year....believe it was the athletic with Powers.
- SteveRain

The only team not spending is Ottawa, almost every other team is at or near the cap. Trading for a LTIR only works in special circumstances, like when Marner was a threat to sit out the beginning of the year, and Toronto needed Clarkson's contract to be at the upper cap limit, to be able to use LTIR if others go on LTIR during the season (St. Louis has a boatload of LTIR to use because of Tarsenko).

If you put players on LTIR before the season because the plaer would put you over the cap on day 1, no LTIR money accrues for the player, and no relief for bonuses etc.

Kubalik, Strome, Highmore, Caggiula Lankinen and K4 are RFA's. Hawks are in the strong position. Historically very very few RFA's have been signed away by other teams. If another team signs them and the Hawks do not match the Hawks get back draft picks. $1.4 mil a 3rd round pick, $2.1 mil a 2nd round pick, $4.2 mil a 1st and a 3rd, $6.3 mil a 1st, 2nd, 3rd. If they choose to sign Cagiulla, Highmore, K4, Lankinen the total might not be $5mil. Kubalik and Strome they may try to sign bridge deals. Kubalik $2 mil to $3 mil per. Strome maybe $4 to $5 mil. They sign Mitchell to an entry level deal at about $1 mil. They probably trade or buyout Smith creating some cap space. They trade Maatta. They have about $7 mil to sign Lehner. It fits under the cap. Then they LTIR Shaw on day one and they have $3.9 mil in cap space on day 2.
- -Doh-

And if Shaw and Seabrook are deemed fit to play on day 1?

Hockey Trade rumor news being reported out of Philly. Chicago isn't able to come to terms with resigning Gus and it's rumored a straight up trade Gus for Ghost. Can anyone else confirm this news ?
- Taylorst1

DOA.