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wonthecup10
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Jan 14 @ 1:49 PM ET
@BenPopeCST

Corey Crawford said he plans to sign another contract when his current one ends this summer (aka not retiring), that he hasn't talked to Stan Bowman yet, and he seemed largely uninterested in signing into a backup role (in Chicago or otherwise).

On being a backup: "I'm a pretty competitive guy, feel like I could still make a difference on a team, to make a run at a championship. That's where my head's at. Never really had a role of sitting on the bench and being part of that situation. So I don't know."

On Hawks: "I would still love to have a chance here to win another Cup. We have a really good young group of players, and guys get to the next level pretty quick, I find. Once you get over that learning curve, I think we could be competitive quickly."

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Sounds like another player not willing to accept the realties of the impact that aging and injuries have had on his performance. Human nature, but sad to see all the same, as I fear he may be disappointed in his options.

- pdx2ord


Lehner will not re sign on the cheap here.....
Corey will be the goalie going into next season 2 years at about 2.5 to 3.5 a year. Hawks will draft the best goalie available in this years draft if they are outside a top 5 pick?????
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jan 14 @ 1:51 PM ET
If the league revenues go up $200M, the owners get half and half goes to the cap. $100M รท 32 = $3.125M per team cap increase.

Not even half a Seabrook deal.

- mohel


I stand corrected. Thanks for checking my math. So much for the big cap increase.
StLBravesFan
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jan 14 @ 1:53 PM ET
Players should strike over getting escrow and $C out of contract. They have all the risk owners are protected. In business, both sides normally split exchange risk. And there are far more US teams let Canada go start their own league if they don't like it the US market wouldn't care. Only teams with history are Montreal and Toronto and how often are they both in the playoffs? Owners in Canada could hedge their $C risk and probably do laughing winning both ways.
- rpeters01

Players and owners share HRR evenly - 50% to the player, 50% to the owners - that's why the escrow exists - to get the final split to the 50/50 ratio. Theoretically, it could go the other way, too - owners put into the escrow, too - if HRR would exceed expectations. Hasn't happened, of course.

I don't know what you mean in your comment about the exchange risk - both sides - which sides? Not labor and management, I think - the company takes the risk. "In business" (whatever that means), there isn't any revenue split between management and labor.

The CBA does take the $C out of it - by specifying that all revenues and expenses are designated in US$
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Jan 14 @ 1:56 PM ET
Players should strike over getting escrow and $C out of contract. They have all the risk owners are protected. In business, both sides normally split exchange risk. And there are far more US teams let Canada go start their own league if they don't like it the US market wouldn't care. Only teams with history are Montreal and Toronto and how often are they both in the playoffs? Owners in Canada could hedge their $C risk and probably do laughing winning both ways.
- rpeters01

-What businesses split exchange risk?

-Do you think the Canadian teams are net contributors or takers from revenue sharing? Probably best not to answer before you know revenues generated by stalwart teams like Florida, Arizona, Anaheim, Carolina, Buffalo, NJ and Columbus.

Tyler Cameron
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Jan 14 @ 1:58 PM ET
Lehner starting tonight + Sikura back in the lineup.
StLBravesFan
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jan 14 @ 1:59 PM ET
Lehner starting tonight + Sikura back in the lineup.
- Tyler Cameron

They're running out of alternatives to Sikura with the injuries and Quenneville back in Rockfish.

The only thing left is 11 F and 7 D.
Davewn
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: West Des Moines, IA
Joined: 12.16.2015

Jan 14 @ 2:01 PM ET
Lehner will not re sign on the cheap here.....
Corey will be the goalie going into next season 2 years at about 2.5 to 3.5 a year. Hawks will draft the best goalie available in this years draft if they are outside a top 5 pick?????

- wonthecup10


It'll be pretty interesting to see what he gets (and from whom)- he's been decent this year, but clearly the second best on his team and not close to the guy he was a couple of years ago...he'll also be signing a 35+ deal. I suspect his options will be pretty limited if he's dead set on being the starter for someone.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 14 @ 2:02 PM ET
@BenPopeCST

Corey Crawford said he plans to sign another contract when his current one ends this summer (aka not retiring), that he hasn't talked to Stan Bowman yet, and he seemed largely uninterested in signing into a backup role (in Chicago or otherwise).

On being a backup: "I'm a pretty competitive guy, feel like I could still make a difference on a team, to make a run at a championship. That's where my head's at. Never really had a role of sitting on the bench and being part of that situation. So I don't know."

On Hawks: "I would still love to have a chance here to win another Cup. We have a really good young group of players, and guys get to the next level pretty quick, I find. Once you get over that learning curve, I think we could be competitive quickly."

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Sounds like another player not willing to accept the realties of the impact that aging and injuries have had on his performance. Human nature, but sad to see all the same, as I fear he may be disappointed in his options.

- pdx2ord


Good for Corey, always has been much maligned, underappreciated, underestimated. If the Hawks sign Lehner, and Corey feels he should be #1, and wants #1 money, I would wish him well leaving and signing elsewhere doing what he felt was best for him and his family.
catrisc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Elmhurst, IL
Joined: 12.12.2019

Jan 14 @ 2:06 PM ET
They're running out of alternatives to Sikura with the injuries and Quenneville back in Rockfish.

The only thing left is 11 F and 7 D.

- StLBravesFan


Would like to see Hagel get a look.
Tyler Cameron
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Jan 14 @ 2:07 PM ET
They're running out of alternatives to Sikura with the injuries and Quenneville back in Rockfish.

The only thing left is 11 F and 7 D.

- StLBravesFan


Yep. There's not much left.

Saad and Strome are starting to skate so that's positive. Hopefully one or both will be back after this road trip.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Jan 14 @ 2:07 PM ET
and I'll be happy as a clam for him and for the Hawks if that turns out to be true and for him if he is presented with multiple, high-dollar, decent term offers
- pdx2ord


not discounting your thoughts on craw...it is a legitimate concern about his health..if he respected my voice and input into his decision i would counsel him to consider hanging it up for his future health and given the career he has had...he doesn't have a damn thing to prove to anybody..

but look at jagr age 48 still playing...

these guys just love to play and if they physically can they will..
Tyler Cameron
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Jan 14 @ 2:07 PM ET
Would like to see Hagel get a look.
- catrisc


He's been playing really well.
rpeters01
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Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 14 @ 2:21 PM ET
Players and owners share HRR evenly - 50% to the player, 50% to the owners - that's why the escrow exists - to get the final split to the 50/50 ratio. Theoretically, it could go the other way, too - owners put into the escrow, too - if HRR would exceed expectations. Hasn't happened, of course.

I don't know what you mean in your comment about the exchange risk - both sides - which sides? Not labor and management, I think - the company takes the risk. "In business" (whatever that means), there isn't any revenue split between management and labor.

The CBA does take the $C out of it - by specifying that all revenues and expenses are designated in US$

- StLBravesFan

If a US company buys parts from a foreign company in most instances they share foreign exchange risk. No guarantee on revenue or cost to either side. There is a currency clause in the contract. It can be done many ways I am simplifying but it's sharing the risk. If either side wants more insurance they can enter into currency hedging for a minimal cost. Wouldn't be surprised if the owners are already doing that and laughing getting paid twice with the escrow. I suppose the players union could do the same thing and return losses to the players? But right the owners are guaranteed 50/50 and the players keep losing to the face value of their contracts. I don't know enough about how that works to speak intelligently...
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jan 14 @ 2:25 PM ET
If a US company buys parts from a foreign company in most instances they share foreign exchange risk. No guarantee on revenue or cost to either side. There is a currency clause in the contract. It can be done many ways I am simplifying but it's sharing the risk. If either side wants more insurance they can enter into currency hedging for a minimal cost. Wouldn't be surprised if the owners are already doing that and laughing getting paid twice with the escrow. I suppose the players union could do the same thing and return losses to the players? But right the owners are guaranteed 50/50 and the players keep losing to the face value of their contracts. I don't know enough about how that works to speak intelligently...
- rpeters01


At the end of the day, it works out that revenue is split evenly.
StLBravesFan
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jan 14 @ 2:28 PM ET
If a US company buys parts from a foreign company in most instances they share foreign exchange risk. No guarantee on revenue or cost to either side. There is a currency clause in the contract. It can be done many ways I am simplifying but it's sharing the risk. If either side wants more insurance they can enter into currency hedging for a minimal cost. Wouldn't be surprised if the owners are already doing that and laughing getting paid twice with the escrow. I suppose the players union could do the same thing and return losses to the players? But right the owners are guaranteed 50/50 and the players keep losing to the face value of their contracts. I don't know enough about how that works to speak intelligently...
- rpeters01

But that's not labor-management, sharing revenues, like in the NHL.

And in the NHL, both sides play by the same rules - owners aren't double-dipping into some kind of exchange-rate manipulation (that I know about).

Don't forget - players get paid in US dollars - their contracts are delineated in US dollars (Connor McDavid's $15MM salary this season is in US dollars). When the Looney is at a deep discount (like it is today), the Canadian teams take a bath - their revenues are mostly in C$, but their player costs are in US$. Going back 10+ years to when the looney was also deeply discounted, the US teams were subsidizing the Canadian teams for the exchange rate difference. I"m guessing they're doing the same today.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 14 @ 2:34 PM ET
If a US company buys parts from a foreign company in most instances they share foreign exchange risk. No guarantee on revenue or cost to either side. There is a currency clause in the contract. It can be done many ways I am simplifying but it's sharing the risk. If either side wants more insurance they can enter into currency hedging for a minimal cost. Wouldn't be surprised if the owners are already doing that and laughing getting paid twice with the escrow. I suppose the players union could do the same thing and return losses to the players? But right the owners are guaranteed 50/50 and the players keep losing to the face value of their contracts. I don't know enough about how that works to speak intelligently...
- rpeters01


Before the last lock-out, salaries were 57% of hockey related revenues, which was unacceptable to the owners, why the 50/50 split and escrow to make sure the split stayed at 50/50 (reason why the salary cap /salary floor takes until right before the draft as it is an estimate of the next year's revenues). Also, the players have to agree as to how much escrow they are willing to take our of their salaries before the cap is finalized, as again if their was no escrow, probably only Ottawa would be cap compliant this year.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jan 14 @ 2:46 PM ET
I see in Puckpedia and cap friendly that his contract ends at end of this year and is a UFA, Martinez has a year left at $4 mil.
- LAHawk


Martinez could be comparable to what the Blackhawks hoped that DeHahn would bring to their lineup: stability and experience with sound defensive play and able to contribute some offensively. Ideal for a younger player to break in when another veteran is in the defense corps (eg Murphy, Keith, Maate, Seabrook and deHahn as veterans).

Martinez could be serviceable for one year then comes The Expansion Draft and who knows as each team jockeys for positioning of the players kept and made available. So therefore you pay the piper for a dman whom should help you better break in a kid. A tad steep of a pricetag but probably worth considering for teams whom either need a sound veteran and or have a prospect to break in.

Martinez had played in a top pair and on second pair as far as I recall. Some injury history so this compared to DeHahn too. A team whom acquires Martinez would probably find suitors if they want to trade him at the 2021 trade deadline. This makes him a rental and recoup something in lieu of possibly loosing him in The Expansion Draft.
rpeters01
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Joined: 07.09.2016

Jan 14 @ 2:51 PM ET
But that's not labor-management, sharing revenues, like in the NHL.

And in the NHL, both sides play by the same rules - owners aren't double-dipping into some kind of exchange-rate manipulation (that I know about).

Don't forget - players get paid in US dollars - their contracts are delineated in US dollars (Connor McDavid's $15MM salary this season is in US dollars). When the Looney is at a deep discount (like it is today), the Canadian teams take a bath - their revenues are mostly in C$, but their player costs are in US$. Going back 10+ years to when the looney was also deeply discounted, the US teams were subsidizing the Canadian teams for the exchange rate difference. I"m guessing they're doing the same today.

- StLBravesFan

Definitely a good point what I am saying is NOT revenue sharing.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Jan 14 @ 2:58 PM ET
Martinez could be comparable to what the Blackhawks hoped that DeGahn would bring to their lineup: stability and experience with sound defensive play and able to contribute some offensively. Ideal for a younger player to break in when another veteran is in the defense corps (eg Murphy, Keith, Maate, Seabrook and deHahn as veterans).

Martinez could be serviceable for one year then comes The Expansion Draft and who knows as each team jockeys for positioning of it's players kept and made available. So therefore you pay the Piper for a dman whom should help you better break in a kid. A tad steep of a pricetag but probably worth considering for teams whom either need a sound veteran and or have a prospect to break in. Martinez had played in a top pair and on second pair as far as I recall. Some injury history so this compared to DeHahn too. A team whom acquures Martinez would probably find suitors if they want to trade him at the 2921 trade deadline. This makes him a rental and recoup something in lieu of possibly loosing him in The Expansion Draft.

- jhawk59


Would be a perfect fit for Toonto, so they could reunite Muzzin and Martinez, but Toronto can not take on any salary, unless they give back Ceci, and a second and a prospect. Last years Muzzin's trade was for last years first, and 2 prospects. Carolina has Toronto's first this year, cost of getting rid of Marleau's salary.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Jan 14 @ 4:10 PM ET
this is not surprising...i have stated many times crow is intensely proud and competitive guy...if he thinks he can still play and medical staff has cleared him then he should play and if necessary go somewhere else as the number 1 guy...

its not up to any of us tell him or anyone else what the "realities" to accept...and you have no idea what options maybe available to him after the season...hell he could play lights out the rest of the year...

- bogiedoc


Spot on!
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Jan 14 @ 5:02 PM ET
Well this promises to create a sh*tshow, but, of course, that's what they want

https://twitter.com/NHLon.../1217201334664953858?s=20

ONE Hawks glimpse in there for the 2010 decade. Ridiculous.
Scott1977
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jan 14 @ 5:23 PM ET
He's been playing really well.
- Tyler Cameron

Any chatter going on as far as trade rumors there been a lot speculations on who might or might not be traded? Crawford and saad names keep coming up so what kind of trades could we possibly see with those two.

Crawford to Colorado for bryam and 3rd or to Toronto for ceci and kappean hawks of course would have retain money and Crawford have to approve the trade. What about trading both goalies and going with lannkian and delia and see what hawks actually have in those two. I see saad going to the east boston or pitt buffalo or phily be the teams I think make the most sense. Thoughts?
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 14 @ 5:48 PM ET
Good for Corey, always has been much maligned, underappreciated, underestimated. If the Hawks sign Lehner, and Corey feels he should be #1, and wants #1 money, I would wish him well leaving and signing elsewhere doing what he felt was best for him and his family.
- LAHawk



Well said LaHawk. IMO if contract talks between the front office and Lehner are going in a positive direction than Crawford gets dealt if the price is right.

While the front office has a tremendous amount of respect for Crawford I think his age , injury history and compared to Lehner Crawford has declined a bit it would be hard to try and justify paying him big time money with a term longer than 2 years if his demands are high.
Ryno_Resumes
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: St Louis, MO
Joined: 10.06.2015

Jan 14 @ 5:49 PM ET
Tyler Cameron: Now we're up again!
The Hawks came out and played themselves a solid game vs. the Ducks on Saturday.

The result was a 4-2 win led by a 2-goal performance by NHL leading goal scorer Dominik Kubalik, as well as a solid effort by Lehner.

Here is what the Hawks are staring at as we near the All-Star Game, Trade Deadline and a busy February for the Blackhawks:

- Tyler Cameron


Curious. With the Hawks not really playing Crawford as much and Lehner more if this is kind of Crawfords last year and he will retire? Just really kind of thought about it since he hasn't been playing as much minus the time when Lehner was out for a short bit, but just wondering is all. Maybe he has more head issues than we know about and has told the hawks not to play him as much. Could this be true?
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Jan 14 @ 6:18 PM ET
Not sure why people ask Tyler if he's heard any rumors. He seems to be a diligent and reliable person; so I think he'd let us know if he did have any info.
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