Wesley Peters: Jets Look to Redeem Themselves Against the Flyers

If the Jets can stop starting the game hemmed in their own zone, come out flying and jump on the tired Flyers they can win this game. They need an offensive explosion from their top 2 lines which will translate to a better overall game for the entire team.

Jets are great if drafting in the top 10. Once they get past that I would say their drafting ability has been below average. They hit on Morrissey at 13 and Conner at 17. Then after the first round what do they have, Hellebuyck and I will reach and include a defensive specialist in Lowry.

Copp, Poolman and Roslovic (25th in 1st) in the NHL

a few like Petan and Comrie who are kicking around somewhere

Prospects like Harkins, Samberg, Spacek, Niku, Appleton, Stanley (18th overall), Vesalainen (24th), Heinola (20th) and Gustafson will see more time, two or three will stick. There are a few more with a shot.

NHL average is about 250 games for players picked in the second and it gets cut by about 35% every round past that. They don't stick for a reason - there are gaps in the game that won't come together to make them a solid NHLer. Jets are doing alright.

The Jets have drafted pretty well in the 1st round, found some decent players/hopefuls in rounds 4-7 like Copp, Hellebuyck, Berdin, Niku to name a few but they've pretty much blown rounds 2+3.

And the one draft that had a really good 2nd round was 2016 when they traded their early 2nd round pick to move up 4 spots to select
Logan Stanley, what a bad move that was!
I mean there's two dmen taken in the 2nd round of that draft that are already top 4 dmen (Girard and Hronek) while big 1st rounder Logan is still struggling in the AHL. If they didn't blow that and had selected one of Girard, Hronek the discussion about the defense is likely a much different one today.

As for Harkins I had doubts after watching him in his first AHL season but he did battle an injury and a case of mono I believe so maybe that he's healthy he still could turn into a player yet but the problem with the Jets is this undying belief that the bottom 6 has to be strictly grinders, checkers and shutdown role players so where does a guy like Harkins ever fit with this team. Like really if we look at where the Jets are at and what their holes are shouldn't Harkins and Niku be bundled together and shipped somewhere for a dman or a 2/3C with some term?? Cause where will either ever fit on this team?

[quote=JetFuel]The Jets have drafted pretty well in the 1st round, found some decent players/hopefuls in rounds 4-7 like Copp, Hellebuyck, Berdin, Niku to name a few but they've pretty much blown rounds 2+3.

And the one draft that had a really good 2nd round was 2016 when they traded their early 2nd round pick to move up 4 spots to select
Logan Stanley, what a bad move that was!
I mean there's two dmen taken in the 2nd round of that draft that are already top 4 dmen (Girard and Hronek) while big 1st rounder Logan is still struggling in the AHL. If they didn't blow that and had selected one of Girard, Hronek the discussion about the defense is likely a much different one today.

Hronek is top 4 on a very bad team. I like Girard.
A few other d-men from the same 1st round have not exactly made their mark yet - Juolevi, Bean, Johansen....and a number of forwards as well - Bellows, Gauthier, Rubtsov, Tufte.

[quote=JetFuel]The Jets have drafted pretty well in the 1st round, found some decent players/hopefuls in rounds 4-7 like Copp, Hellebuyck, Berdin, Niku to name a few but they've pretty much blown rounds 2+3.

And the one draft that had a really good 2nd round was 2016 when they traded their early 2nd round pick to move up 4 spots to select
Logan Stanley, what a bad move that was!
I mean there's two dmen taken in the 2nd round of that draft that are already top 4 dmen (Girard and Hronek) while big 1st rounder Logan is still struggling in the AHL. If they didn't blow that and had selected one of Girard, Hronek the discussion about the defense is likely a much different one today.

Hronek is top 4 on a very bad team. I like Girard.
A few other d-men from the same 1st round have not exactly made their mark yet - Juolevi, Bean, Johansen....and a number of forwards as well - Bellows, Gauthier, Rubtsov, Tufte.
- bennythehat

Wonder what the expectation of the teams are for an NHL entry draft?

Do you think they would be happy with one quality player plus a 3rd/4th liner, or 3rd pairing d-man from each draft? Just asking.

If the Jets believe that they have a chance at the cup this year, they should be in on Taylor Hall. He would solidify a top 9.

To Nj: Kristian Vesalianen, 2020 3rd round pick, Dustin Byfuglien

To WPG: Taylor Hall

Jets lines look like:

Connor-Scheifele-Laine
Ehlers-Wheeler-Roslovic
Hall-Copp-Appelton
Shore-Lowry-Perreault

Hall has shown he can carry his own line. Vesalainen will never get a top 6 role on this team and Lowry goes down to a position he should be at! Furthermore if Hall likes it here, we may be able to sign him long term. It's not very often a hart trophy winner becomes available.

If the Jets believe that they have a chance at the cup this year, they should be in on Taylor Hall. He would solidify a top 9.

To Nj: Kristian Vesalianen, 2020 3rd round pick, Dustin Byfuglien

To WPG: Taylor Hall

Jets lines look like:

Connor-Scheifele-Laine
Ehlers-Wheeler-Roslovic
Hall-Copp-Appelton
Shore-Lowry-Perreault

Hall has shown he can carry his own line. Vesalainen will never get a top 6 role on this team and Lowry goes down to a position he should be at! Furthermore if Hall likes it here, we may be able to sign him long term. It's not very often a hart trophy winner becomes available.
- TheUltimateJet

Why would you throw away some talent and draft picks and pay Hall type salary to put him on the third line ? Makes no sense at all. If I were Chevy I'd be looking at Muzzin or Barrie if the Leafs are still struggling come the trade deadline. How about Mike Hoffman if you want a better budget leaf-wing ( but his girlfreind can't come) ?

The Jets have drafted pretty well in the 1st round, found some decent players/hopefuls in rounds 4-7 like Copp, Hellebuyck, Berdin, Niku to name a few but they've pretty much blown rounds 2+3.

And the one draft that had a really good 2nd round was 2016 when they traded their early 2nd round pick to move up 4 spots to select
Logan Stanley, what a bad move that was!
I mean there's two dmen taken in the 2nd round of that draft that are already top 4 dmen (Girard and Hronek) while big 1st rounder Logan is still struggling in the AHL. If they didn't blow that and had selected one of Girard, Hronek the discussion about the defense is likely a much different one today.

As for Harkins I had doubts after watching him in his first AHL season but he did battle an injury and a case of mono I believe so maybe that he's healthy he still could turn into a player yet but the problem with the Jets is this undying belief that the bottom 6 has to be strictly grinders, checkers and shutdown role players so where does a guy like Harkins ever fit with this team. Like really if we look at where the Jets are at and what their holes are shouldn't Harkins and Niku be bundled together and shipped somewhere for a dman or a 2/3C with some term?? Cause where will either ever fit on this team?
- JetFuel

I assume the Jets aren't signing Beaulieu, Kulikov, Bitetto, Sbisa. That gives Niku a spot next year. But you are right on Harkins, his value is highest right now, next year he loses waiver exemption and will be given a 4th line spot playing 6 mins a game, same with Appleton.
Might as well throw in Roslovic too who is running out of time to show he can produce at the NHL level.
Better to trade those guys now while you should be still be able to get something good for them.

I think this Philly game is a big one for the Jets. Yes, the Flyers are not a divisional opponent but the Jets now are only in a wildcard position and while they have a few games in hand its quite important that they bounce back from that bad ( and unlucky ) game in Detroit.

Looking around the rest of the league I think that virtually no one would have predicted that TB Lightning would not be close to a playoff spot and now with the Kucherov injury are a real possibility not to make the playoffs at all. How about Arizona in first in the Pacific ? That team is now playing a very good defensive system that had been decent in the past but took several years to perfect. Sabres also doing surprisingly well.

Finally, Nashville. Seems there are some problems there. On paper they seem to have an awesome lineup . They picked up Duchene and Granlund who some might argue are great pickups but I would argue that every team Duchene played for has underperformed and Granlund lacks the toughness needed to win a cup.

I assume the Jets aren't signing Beaulieu, Kulikov, Bitetto, Sbisa. That gives Niku a spot next year. But you are right on Harkins, his value is highest right now, next year he loses waiver exemption and will be given a 4th line spot playing 6 mins a game, same with Appleton.
Might as well throw in Roslovic too who is running out of time to show he can produce at the NHL level.
Better to trade those guys now while you should be still be able to get something good for them.
- BWJumper

Trade Roslovic ? I'm sorry but Roslovic is at about the same progression rate of where Connor was two years ago. They both have the same style of play , but Connor gets the edge in stickhandling, shot, and speed...but Roslovic is closing in. Roslovic's value has nowhere near peaked yet and he really clicks with Ehlers.

Why would you throw away some talent and draft picks and pay Hall type salary to put him on the third line ? Makes no sense at all. If I were Chevy I'd be looking at Muzzin or Barrie if the Leafs are still struggling come the trade deadline. How about Mike Hoffman if you want a better budget leaf-wing ( but his girlfreind can't come) ?
- jetsnation

What assets am I giving up? Do you honestly believe that Vesalainen is going to crack this teams top 9 in the next 2 years? Byfuglien is as good as gone, Jets can’t draft in the the third round. Having Hall on the 3rd line creates matchup nightmares for opponents.

But hey, enjoy Lowry, Copp and Perreault in the playoffs where they will score 0 goals together and we’ll bring them back, cause according to some Jets fans we can’t get rid of anyone.

Trade Roslovic ? I'm sorry but Roslovic is at about the same progression rate of where Connor was two years ago. They both have the same style of play , but Connor gets the edge in stickhandling, shot, and speed...but Roslovic is closing in. Roslovic's value has nowhere near peaked yet and he really clicks with Ehlers.
- jetsnation

Jack Roslovic stats in 2017-18:

31gp 5g 9a for a total of 14 points

Jack Roslovic Stats in 2019-20 so far:

32gp 6g 6a fo a total of 12 points.

He’s really progressing!

Trade Roslovic ? I'm sorry but Roslovic is at about the same progression rate of where Connor was two years ago. They both have the same style of play , but Connor gets the edge in stickhandling, shot, and speed...but Roslovic is closing in. Roslovic's value has nowhere near peaked yet and he really clicks with Ehlers.
- jetsnation

Conner was drafted only 8 spots ahead of Roslovic, is going for his 3rd straight 30 goal season while Roslovic might not hit 30 points.

Roslovic has about a year left to prove he can score at the NHL level before he becomes a 3rd line grinder or a waiver wire pickup.

Jack Roslovic stats in 2017-18:

31gp 5g 9a for a total of 14 points

Jack Roslovic Stats in 2019-20 so far:

32gp 6g 6a fo a total of 12 points.

He’s really progressing!
- TheUltimateJet

All the Jets stats are lower this year as Maurice has played a more defensive tight-checking system. There is no doubt that Roslovic is a much better player this year than last. Drafted the same year as Connor he has been slower to develop and will never be the same level star as Connor ,but I see much more potential in him to come. Also Roslovic is one of the fittest athletes in the NHL. No way I'd trade him.

All the Jets stats are lower this year as Maurice has played a more defensive tight-checking system. There is no doubt that Roslovic is a much better player this year than last. Drafted the same year as Connor he has been slower to develop and will never be the same level star as Connor ,but I see much more potential in him to come. Also Roslovic is one of the fittest athletes in the NHL. No way I'd trade him.
- jetsnation

There's not a chance that the Jets trade Roslovic, he's gotten his chance this season and is making the most of it - the points will come if he keeps playing this way.

Would like to see the Jets re-sign Sbisa some time shortly after Jan. 1st.

Could see the Jets trading Harkins for sure, and possibly Vesalainen, but they have to be careful, not many offensive forwards left in system. The rights to Dylan Samberg and maybe even Buff could come into play. Niku? Niku, Samberg, Heinola - can/will the Jets keep all three?