Todd Cordell: Stars 2, Devils 0: Strong showing

Its not a groundbreaking take to say that they need to clean house and move guys. But last night, and this entire season has proven that it needs to be a complete and total revamp of the player leadership in that dressing room, including taking the C from Greene. Whenever there has been even just a sliver of adversity over the past few years this team has absolutely wilted. They never have any sort of pushback or players who have fight in them, and it starts with Greene. He can keep an A, and I don't even know who the C would go to, but they need new player voices desperately if they are ever going to be a winning team.

I Think Nico will be our captain next year!

Friday is going to be fun!

Let’s say you’re changing jobs next week.

There's a big difference here that you're overlooking, probably intentionally b/c you're a big Hall fan. How I leave my job doesn't effect who the next hire is going to be. Or in Hall's case, what his return value is going to be.

Hall putting in the bare minimum effort this season is CONSTANTLY decreasing his trade value as a rental. He's not doing a sign and trade thanks to his a-hole agent. If Hall had any decency, he'd at least TRY to inflate his trade value by producing at a level that isn't JUST the bare minimum. Your analogy doesn't fit. He isn't leaving Best Buy to go be a web developer somewhere. How he plays HURTS the Devils in what we get in return by trading him.

Wow.lifeless is an understatement..worse performance I have seen in a while (thankfully didn't see buffalo game) ..again this team has no cohesiveness it was so predictable I could predict when they were going to turn the puck over it was ridiculous..they try to be cute in the d zone instead of just quickly getting it out like Dallas did..dallas iced the puck a couple times but they didn't outright give the puck away like nj did all night...this team has no clue how to move the puck..and the "best" forwards on the team (especially jack) try to make too many cross ice passes instead of just shooting the dam puck..at least hall shoots I think he's trying but even he can't help if he can't get a freaking breakout pass..end of rant this is just sad at this point.

Todd Cordell: Stars 2, Devils 0: Strong showing
- Todd.Cordell

With Pitts currently holding the final wildcard spot, and on pace for 100.5 points, all we have to do is finish off the season with 78 points in the remaining 62 games to get 101 points. The remaining record would look something like 37-21-4. Piece of cake right?????

There's a big difference here that you're overlooking, probably intentionally b/c you're a big Hall fan. How I leave my job doesn't effect who the next hire is going to be. Or in Hall's case, what his return value is going to be.

Hall putting in the bare minimum effort this season is CONSTANTLY decreasing his trade value as a rental. He's not doing a sign and trade thanks to his a-hole agent. If Hall had any decency, he'd at least TRY to inflate his trade value by producing at a level that isn't JUST the bare minimum. Your analogy doesn't fit. He isn't leaving Best Buy to go be a web developer somewhere. How he plays HURTS the Devils in what we get in return by trading him.
- jtylerm

Sooo...it's in Hall's best interests to make sure that the team he's going to has to give the most assets possible to acquire him, thereby weakening their chance at winning a Cup this season??? I disagree.

Sooo...it's in Hall's best interests to make sure that the team he's going to has to give the most assets possible to acquire him, thereby weakening their chance at winning a Cup this season??? I disagree.
- jmatchett383

Its in hall's best interest if he wants the best deal on july 1.

Sooo...it's in Hall's best interests to make sure that the team he's going to has to give the most assets possible to acquire him, thereby weakening their chance at winning a Cup this season??? I disagree.
- jmatchett383

If the team he's going to gives up a king's ransom for him, it's b/c they think he's worth it. No team is going to trade for a guy and treat him like crap b/c they had to give up a lot of assets for him.

That's stupid and you wouldn't feel the same if it were the Flyers looking to trade Sean Couturier for some reason and he was playing like this, hurting the return the Flyers could get for him and generally not giving a s*** about Philly.

Sooo...it's in Hall's best interests to make sure that the team he's going to has to give the most assets possible to acquire him, thereby weakening their chance at winning a Cup this season??? I disagree.
- jmatchett383

no but another way to look at it is he is playing for a contract next season, and also playing to not get hurt (which has been his mo ) so you could look at either way.

If the team he's going to gives up a king's ransom for him, it's b/c they think he's worth it. No team is going to trade for a guy and treat him like crap b/c they had to give up a lot of assets for him.

That's stupid and you wouldn't feel the same if it were the Flyers looking to trade Sean Couturier for some reason and he was playing like this, hurting the return the Flyers could get for him and generally not giving a s*** about Philly.
- jtylerm

If the Flyers were going to trade a player away, of course I'd want them to get the best return. As a Devils' fan, I'm sure you want to get the best return for Hall.

However, if I were the player being traded away, I'd want my new team to keep as many assets as possible to help me win a Stanley Cup.

If the Flyers were going to trade a player away, of course I'd want them to get the best return. As a Devils' fan, I'm sure you want to get the best return for Hall.

However, if I were the player being traded away, I'd want my new team to keep as many assets as possible to help me win a Stanley Cup.
- jmatchett383

The assets a team will trade to acquire Hall won't be immediately important pieces to winning a Cup. It will mostly be prospects and picks getting the trade done. Even if it involves a current NHLer, he'll likely be the least important piece of the package. So it's not like he'd be playing himself out of a good team.

The assets a team will trade to acquire Hall won't be immediately important pieces to winning a Cup. It will mostly be prospects and picks getting the trade done. Even if it involves a current NHLer, he'll likely be the least important piece of the package. So it's not like he'd be playing himself out of a good team.
- jtylerm

And if he wants to maximize his upcoming contract, his best bet would be to re-sign with the team he's traded to because, all other things being equal, they will be able to offer him 1 extra year. I think the assets they trade away could be quite beneficial to that team within an 8-year period.

Bottom line is, he has no obligation to maximize the Devils' return for him. Same would be for anyone the Flyers would plan on trading.

And if he wants to maximize his upcoming contract, his best bet would be to re-sign with the team he's traded to because, all other things being equal, they will be able to offer him 1 extra year. I think the assets they trade away could be quite beneficial to that team within an 8-year period.

Bottom line is, he has no obligation to maximize the Devils' return for him. Same would be for anyone the Flyers would plan on trading.
- jmatchett383

Bottom line is that we wont get as much for him as we'd like. I highly doubt he signs with the team he is traded to.

Bottom line is that we wont get as much for him as we'd like. I highly doubt he signs with the team he is traded to.
- Devils4ever

I think he'll test UFA, for sure, during the 1-week window, but the team that he's traded to can offer him a better contract, money-wise, than any other team.

Also, think of it this way: whatever the return is, that's the return you ended up with for Adam Larsson.

And if he wants to maximize his upcoming contract, his best bet would be to re-sign with the team he's traded to because, all other things being equal, they will be able to offer him 1 extra year. I think the assets they trade away could be quite beneficial to that team within an 8-year period.

Bottom line is, he has no obligation to maximize the Devils' return for him. Same would be for anyone the Flyers would plan on trading.
- jmatchett383

I don't know if you are being intentionally obtuse or something, but no player has any obligation to give a poop about their play other than it determines there worth. If Hall plays like he has I would be very weary that his knee 100% and giving him an 8 year deal. You are also under the assumption the team he gets traded to has room to resign him and isn't just making a deal for this years playoffs.

I don't know if you are being intentionally obtuse or something, but no player has any obligation to give a poop about their play other than it determines there worth. If Hall plays like he has I would be very weary that his knee 100% and giving him an 8 year deal. You are also under the assumption the team he gets traded to has room to resign him and isn't just making a deal for this years playoffs.
- rmdevil313

I'm not. I understand that his play will determine his payday. I mean, imagine if Erik Karlsson had a bad, injury-riddled prior to his UFA. No team would ever sign him to a long-term, high-dollar contract...right?

And I said the team he gets traded to, all things being equal, could offer him a better deal than anyone else. Until we know what team that is, we won't know, which is why it's only a possibility, not a given.

I think he knows he's getting traded and he doesn't want to go all-out and risk injury until he gets moved to a contender.

I think he'll test UFA, for sure, during the 1-week window, but the team that he's traded to can offer him a better contract, money-wise, than any other team.

Also, think of it this way: whatever the return is, that's the return you ended up with for Adam Larsson.
- jmatchett383

That really depends because there are a few teams that can afford him at his contract now but not when he resigns (this is assuming he wants a ~$9M a year contract).

That really depends because there are a few teams that can afford him at his contract now but not when he resigns (this is assuming he wants a ~$9M a year contract).
- Devils4ever

I think Colorado is the most likely. If the Devils could get a 1st, Byram, and a 2nd (moves to another 1st if he re-signs), that would be a great return. They have to sign Neito, Jost, and Burakovsky (as well as some smaller FAs) but could potentially move of the the RFAs to make room.

Just don't trade him to the Rags.

I don't know if you are being intentionally obtuse or something, but no player has any obligation to give a poop about their play other than it determines there worth. If Hall plays like he has I would be very weary that his knee 100% and giving him an 8 year deal. You are also under the assumption the team he gets traded to has room to resign him and isn't just making a deal for this years playoffs.
- rmdevil313

Im not sure his knee is so much of an issue. Him staying healthy over a full season is. I said sometime around mid November it was obvious the coaches were losing the players, call it the system or lack there of, their games were become more individual efforts. Now that the coach is fired and inmates are running the asylum. Taylor is showing lack of effort. Whether Nas has a system or not, its obvious the players are not on board. Taylor Hall needs to be traded (along with several other passengers) and a new coach needs to be implemented with a new system sooner rather than later. IMO

I'm not. I understand that his play will determine his payday. I mean, imagine if Erik Karlsson had a bad, injury-riddled prior to his UFA. No team would ever sign him to a long-term, high-dollar contract...right?

And I said the team he gets traded to, all things being equal, could offer him a better deal than anyone else. Until we know what team that is, we won't know, which is why it's only a possibility, not a given.

I think he knows he's getting traded and he doesn't want to go all-out and risk injury until he gets moved to a contender.
- jmatchett383

Yes, but this was all under the argument that he'd play worse to lower his trade value, which is absurd. Not going hard to the net all the time? Sure I get it. But he still needs to keep his value up.

And if he wants to maximize his upcoming contract, his best bet would be to re-sign with the team he's traded to because, all other things being equal, they will be able to offer him 1 extra year. I think the assets they trade away could be quite beneficial to that team within an 8-year period.

Bottom line is, he has no obligation to maximize the Devils' return for him. Same would be for anyone the Flyers would plan on trading.
- jmatchett383

That's the price with literally every other Stanley Cup hunting team. You sacrifice some of the future for winning now. And any team that trades for Hall and wants to sign him to a new contract is going to have to give him a max 8 year deal at $11.5M AAV. Anything less and he is going to free agency July 1st. He can talk all the BS he want's about "wanting to be on a winning team," but all he really cares about is getting paid. And we'll see that when he finally signs somewhere.

He absolutely has an obligation to play above the bare minimum effort he's put in this season. I'm not asking for him to put up 100 pts, but to not even try night in night out is bulls*** and unprofessional.

Whoever signs him long term is honestly getting screwed. He's only going to be worth his new deal for 4 years of it. His cap hit is going to make him un-tradable after those years and his production is going to drop drastically. Add in that the second things get tough, he's gonna act like a fu***** baby towards the team's fans.

I don't expect anything all that great back for him. I just want to be done with him already.

If anything, the sooner they trade Hall the sooner I don't have to hear about trade speculations anymore.

If anything, the sooner they trade Hall the sooner I don't have to hear about trade speculations anymore.
- Pomegrant

I love reading the comments of the other teams blogs because you really see which players they dont value.

Oddly enough those have been the main pieces to all of these proposed trades for Taylor Hall.

Lol guys who these fans say cant even play on their fourth or bottom pair are the center piece for a Taylor Hall trade, guys who their fans essentially want gone for free.