Per Tracy Meyers...
Hawks go with 11F and 6D tonight. Not enough cap space to call up a forward.
Shaw out for tonight, Strome feeling better, but out tonight.

The truth is we overestimated how good Toews DeBrinkat, Strome were going to be...
- rpeters01

Also true that.

And the Hawks continue to overestimate Nylander, who is showing that he is exactly the player he was in Buffalo. His ceiling looks to me like a middling to decent point producer on a crappy, non-playoff. Great skill and wants to put up points. Maybe he figures it out, but every time he goes out there I see a Patrick Kane wannabe (i.e. plays hard in spurts on one end of the ice and floats the rest oft the time) who doesn't have that pedigree, and then you have to deal with the part of his game that had him shipped out of Buffalo in the first place.

Good luck clearing house when this team has more non-movement clauses than any other team in the NHL. The Hawks cannot afford to sweeten deals anymore by throwing in a top young player like they did with Bickell and Teravainen. The Hawks are destined for average teams until Toews and Keith come off the books. Kane I am fine with, plus at some point Seabrook can be bought out, however that will not be for awhile yet either. Welcome to AVERAGE to BELOW AVERAGE folks!!
- ChicagoHope

Thats is a totally false statement. Hawks have 6 players with NMC/NTC's. There are a bunch of teams with 6 or more. Tampa and Toronto have 9.

I think the Hawks "next move" should be to find a LW to play with Dach - which is why I was curious about Drouin in MTL - or maybe even Kreider in NY. Maybe even figure out a way to get Hall.

If it ends up costing Baudin +, so be it. Just dont move Dach or Boqvist

Toews best role at this point is to put him in the best D line and play him against the other teams top line. It's a broken record, but slot the players appropriately and put them in positions to succeed

Playing Carpenter with Kane and Debrincat? Not sure about that.

But if they could land that LW for Dach, then the team would begin their transition
- PatShart

I don't want Toews in a shutdown roll. He is taking way too many lazy penalties and can't win a board battle.

Per SCH

Saad — Toews — TBD
DeBrincat — Carpenter — Kane
Smith — Dach — Nylander
Kubalik — Kampf — Wedin

Maatta — Murphy
de Haan — Seabrook
Gustafsson — Koekkoek

Crawford

Lankinen

*Injured: Caggiula (concussion), Keith (groin), Shaw (undisclosed), Strome (concussion)

*Lehner out with the flu

I think the Hawks "next move" should be to find a LW to play with Dach - which is why I was curious about Drouin in MTL - or maybe even Kreider in NY. Maybe even figure out a way to get Hall.

If it ends up costing Baudin +, so be it. Just dont move Dach or Boqvist

Toews best role at this point is to put him in the best D line and play him against the other teams top line. It's a broken record, but slot the players appropriately and put them in positions to succeed

Playing Carpenter with Kane and Debrincat? Not sure about that.

But if they could land that LW for Dach, then the team would begin their transition
- PatShart

"So be it" - Trade a promising young defenseman is not going to make this roster a great team. All it does is better their chances into being a playoff team that loses in the first round. The Hawks have a lot more concerns in my opinion than simply getting a LW for Dach. Not blasting you or your post, just facts on how I view the Hawks and their situation.

Also true that.

And the Hawks continue to overestimate Nylander, who is showing that he is exactly the player he was in Buffalo. His ceiling looks to me like a middling to decent point producer on a crappy, non-playoff. Great skill and wants to put up points. Maybe he figures it out, but every time he goes out there I see a Patrick Kane wannabe (i.e. plays hard in spurts on one end of the ice and floats the rest oft the time) who doesn't have that pedigree, and then you have to deal with the part of his game that had him shipped out of Buffalo in the first place.
- jrsamu

He is 21 and this is his first full year in the NHL. The rest of the team isn't exactly lighting it up. He also looked pretty solid before he won the lotto and got stuck on Toews wing.

If LBR is lurking, I would love to know the scoring breakdown for wings on Toews line. I am guessing Saad and Nylander put up the majority of their points away from Toews.

Per SCH

Saad — Toews — TBD
DeBrincat — Carpenter — Kane
Smith — Dach — Nylander
Kubalik — Kampf — Wedin

Maatta — Murphy
de Haan — Seabrook
Gustafsson — Koekkoek

Crawford

Lankinen

*Injured: Caggiula (concussion), Keith (groin), Shaw (undisclosed), Strome (concussion)

*Lehner out with the flu
- boilermaker100

Wedin doesn't do much for me. He is a solid skater but seems to be out of position a lot and a step behind.

I would rather see Sikura or Highmore.

Good luck clearing house when this team has more non-movement clauses than any other team in the NHL. The Hawks cannot afford to sweeten deals anymore by throwing in a top young player like they did with Bickell and Teravainen. The Hawks are destined for average teams until Toews and Keith come off the books. Kane I am fine with, plus at some point Seabrook can be bought out, however that will not be for awhile yet either. Welcome to AVERAGE to BELOW AVERAGE folks!!
- ChicagoHope

My cleaning house comment was not directed at players, it was directed towards coaching staff, training staff, scouting etc....

Also true that.

And the Hawks continue to overestimate Nylander, who is showing that he is exactly the player he was in Buffalo. His ceiling looks to me like a middling to decent point producer on a crappy, non-playoff. Great skill and wants to put up points. Maybe he figures it out, but every time he goes out there I see a Patrick Kane wannabe (i.e. plays hard in spurts on one end of the ice and floats the rest oft the time) who doesn't have that pedigree, and then you have to deal with the part of his game that had him shipped out of Buffalo in the first place.
- jrsamu

Hes 21yrs old getting his first extended look

On pace for 30-ish points playing up/down the lineup.

While you claim he "floats" and goes in spurts - that's the sign of a young player learning to play the game at the NHL level. Consistency is the hardest thing to learn

But in his "spurts" he shows high end talent. Both skating and shooting. He has even had some sound back checks at times. If he never showed those "spurts" - then there would be issues about him being a bust.

Thats is a totally false statement. Hawks have 6 players with NMC/NTC's. There are a bunch of teams with 6 or more. Tampa and Toronto have 9.
- TheTrob

Fine, they have 6, who is going to be willing to move, and who is going to take these contracts back for these players at the ages they are?

Good luck clearing house when this team has more non-movement clauses than any other team in the NHL. The Hawks cannot afford to sweeten deals anymore by throwing in a top young player like they did with Bickell and Teravainen. The Hawks are destined for average teams until Toews and Keith come off the books. Kane I am fine with, plus at some point Seabrook can be bought out, however that will not be for awhile yet either. Welcome to AVERAGE to BELOW AVERAGE folks!!
- ChicagoHope

To clarify my earlier statement even more, there are 15 teams that have more players on NTC/NMC contracts than the Hawks do.

https://www.thefourthperiod.com/no-trade-clauses

"So be it" - Trade a promising young defenseman is not going to make this roster a great team. All it does is better their chances into being a playoff team that loses in the first round. The Hawks have a lot more concerns in my opinion than simply getting a LW for Dach. Not blasting you or your post, just facts on how I view the Hawks and their situation.
- ChicagoHope

Trade a "promising young AHL D" also can get a promising F to help your future top center can make Dach and the team better for the future , and making the playoffs is a step in that direction

I would rather them make the playoffs and gain that experience vs finish 9th and have a mid round pick

Passing the puck to Toews, DeBrincat, Kane, and de Hann ?
- StutzBlackhawk

You’re the 3rd guy to come of with this clever response.

If a guy like Nylander, or Gustafsson, et.al. can’t generate a few shots, let alone a scoring chance, WTF are they doing on the roster? It sure isn’t for their 200 foot game.

To clarify my earlier statement even more, there are 15 teams that have more players on NTC/NMC contracts than the Hawks do.

https://www.thefourthperiod.com/no-trade-clauses
- TheTrob

Fair is fair, thanks for the correct information. Still won't back off on the statement that nobody is going to help the Hawks by taking their bad contracts of overpriced veterans. Thanks though for pointing out the correct information though.

To clarify my earlier statement even more, there are 15 teams that have more players on NTC/NMC contracts than the Hawks do.

https://www.thefourthperiod.com/no-trade-clauses
- TheTrob

Also, do you deal Kane? Realistically he is the only player you could deal of the NMC's in my opinion without throwing in a promising young player. He also obviously brings back the most, but does Kane waive his clause? Guessing no, unless he gets to go back home to Buffalo.

Per Tracy Meyers...
Hawks go with 11F and 6D tonight. Not enough cap space to call up a forward.
Shaw out for tonight, Strome feeling better, but out tonight.
- boilermaker100

This is going to be interesting tonight.

Kane will surely play 35 minutes.

You’re the 3rd guy to come of with this clever response.

If a guy like Nylander, or Gustafsson, et.al. can’t generate a few shots, let alone a scoring chance, WTF are they doing on the roster? It sure isn’t for their 200 foot game.
- scottak

..I..

Forgettable weekend leading to a season I think we will want to forget.

Per Tracy Meyers...
Hawks go with 11F and 6D tonight. Not enough cap space to call up a forward.
Shaw out for tonight, Strome feeling better, but out tonight.
- boilermaker100

Wow we suck and we still don't have cap room

Also true that.

And the Hawks continue to overestimate Nylander, who is showing that he is exactly the player he was in Buffalo. His ceiling looks to me like a middling to decent point producer on a crappy, non-playoff. Great skill and wants to put up points. Maybe he figures it out, but every time he goes out there I see a Patrick Kane wannabe (i.e. plays hard in spurts on one end of the ice and floats the rest oft the time) who doesn't have that pedigree, and then you have to deal with the part of his game that had him shipped out of Buffalo in the first place.
- jrsamu

Nylander is a rookie learning the NHL. Leave him on 3/4 line for now. He is not a problem tired of people trying to blame this mess on him. Joki is no better than 4k right now it's not like that trade made any difference in what is happening this year.

Fine, they have 6, who is going to be willing to move, and who is going to take these contracts back for these players at the ages they are?
- ChicagoHope

All will be willing to move when the choice is Rockford or the press box.

Fair is fair, thanks for the correct information. Still won't back off on the statement that nobody is going to help the Hawks by taking their bad contracts of overpriced veterans. Thanks though for pointing out the correct information though.
- ChicagoHope

I agree with you that nobody is going to take bad contracts off your hands unless a bad one is coming back, but lets dig a little deeper on the 6.

Crawford - Contract expires after this season
Keith - 3 years after this one, @$5.5 cap hit is not out of line for production
Kane - worth every penny. Will never get comparable value in a trade.
Z. Smith - one year @ $3.25 after this one. can be buried, traded or bought out
Toews - 3 left after this year. Overpaid @ $10.5 but still at least a 2C on his worst days
Seabrook - 4 left @ almost $7mil. Almost impossible to trade given that he doesn't want to waive his NMC and even moreso because no team wants to take on his cap hit when he is barely a 3rd pairing D man at this point.

With Crow coming off the books and Smith disposable if needed the Hawks are not in the same Cap hell as other teams may be. Sure the overpayment on Toews and the anchor of Seabrooks contract probably cost you a solid $5mil/year player (whomever that may be), but if Boquist, Dach, Beaudin, Mitchell, whomever are able to produce at a decent level on their ELC's the Hawks will be OK.

Problem now is not the cap, its the consistent level of play.

This is going to be interesting tonight.

Kane will surely play 35 minutes.
- Tyler Cameron

Double Shift Toews a few times - lets see how that works out.

This is going to be interesting tonight.

Kane will surely play 35 minutes.
- Tyler Cameron

Not enough cap space to call up another player, great cap management. But then again it’s hard to plan for three guys on IR.