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mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Nov 8 @ 2:12 PM ET
very good question...i assumed it is the same for him as dach...but dach was onlu jrs eligible...

he had an entry level slide...it seems the 9 game rule does not apply to him...he is in his 1st year of his 3 year ELC...

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/adam-boqvist

- bogiedoc


Boqvist's contract will slide a year if he doesn't play 10 NHL games this season. Once he plays 10, the 1st ELC year is burned.
gabriel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: West Lafayette, IN
Joined: 02.02.2013

Nov 8 @ 2:24 PM ET
Boqvist's contract will slide a year if he doesn't play 10 NHL games this season. Once he plays 10, the 1st ELC year is burned.
- mohel


Another valid reason to send him down, Mo. Feel comfortable with that decision? I'm riding the rails, but feel he'd learn tons up here. Not winning the Cup in any event. Seems perhaps an opportune time for him to get fully acclimated?
Davewn
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: West Des Moines, IA
Joined: 12.16.2015

Nov 8 @ 2:24 PM ET
I agree with Bill. But, you seem like a fair person....would you really consider this roster the same as last year's? And are you certain that the changes to the system implemented this year were JC'S alone? Or do you think he was told to put in this system?

Also, I think it would be fair to do the same 82 game analysis about 10 games from now. The 1st 10 games or so after Q was fired were a bit of a mess, given feelings toward Q.

- mohel


I understand what you're saying, but there aren't any asterisks in the record books for extenuating circumstances when it comes to any coach's record- almost all get the job when the guy before them gets whacked for team failures. Last season, off the top of my head, the Ducks, Oilers and of course, the Cup winning Blues all got an immediate bounce when they fired their head coaches mid season, so why does Colliton deserve a 10 game mulligan? Most thought Q's time had run its course and his message was stale...

The defensive system JC runs, whether by choice or by fiat, is ill suited to his personnel. Slow footed defensemen and the many defensively challenged forwards on this team shouldn't and can't play a pressure system in their own zone. It's why they get pinned in their own zone for so many extended shifts and several recent games have resembled a 60 minute PK. Great goaltending has somewhat masked the fact that they're still terrible defensively- if there's any perceived defensive improvement this season, the metrics don't bear that out.

Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Nov 8 @ 2:33 PM ET
I know many count how many shots against and some nights they give up so many, i don't like it either but I'd rather they give up 50 shots on goal with defenders in front of the goalie as opposed to 7 to 10 breakaways or 2 on 1s in a game like they did the last couple of years.
- BetweenTheDots



While I get your argument, it cuts both ways forwards not skating and controlling the play and puck ( puck possession ) the other being defenseman to slow in pinching or defenseman not being more aware or sure when to pinch ,

Neither is good for the teams success.

mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Nov 8 @ 2:43 PM ET
Another valid reason to send him down, Mo. Feel comfortable with that decision? I'm riding the rails, but feel he'd learn tons up here. Not winning the Cup in any event. Seems perhaps an opportune time for him to get fully acclimated?
- gabriel


I don't know that answer, but I would judge it on whether I think he'll be a better NHL player next season if he stays up and is brought along like he has been; or if he spends the year on the Rock. I tend toward the latter, but there's a lot we don't see.....
pdx2ord
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.02.2015

Nov 8 @ 2:43 PM ET

John Dietz
@johndietzdh
Blackhawks might be catching Pittsburgh at a good time.

- Kris Letang is considered week-to-week w/a lower-body injury
- Patric Hornqvist was placed on IR on November 3.

Oh, and Corey Crawford is 9-1-0 against the Penguins in his career. (Colliton did not give us starter, tho).

Hoping JC is actually looking at past records against certain teams in making his goalie decisions (not sure that he has), and decides to go with Crow for PIT and Lehner against TOR.
rpeters01
Joined: 07.09.2016

Nov 8 @ 2:45 PM ET
true...KK needs to clear waivers and he probably won't...

only way bokie stays past the sabre game is if murphy return is significantly delayed or another dman goes down..

they are eating one year of dachs elc and I don't think they want to eat another

- bogiedoc

If 4K is really better than Seabrook at this point by definition you can't let him go. He is still young and was a high choice I suspect at Rockville he would be our best defense man.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Nov 8 @ 2:47 PM ET
I understand what you're saying, but there aren't any asterisks in the record books for extenuating circumstances when it comes to any coach's record- almost all get the job when the guy before them gets whacked for team failures. Last season, off the top of my head, the Ducks, Oilers and of course, the Cup winning Blues all got an immediate bounce when they fired their head coaches mid season, so why does Colliton deserve a 10 game mulligan? Most thought Q's time had run its course and his message was stale...

The defensive system JC runs, whether by choice or by fiat, is ill suited to his personnel. Slow footed defensemen and the many defensively challenged forwards on this team shouldn't and can't play a pressure system in their own zone. It's why they get pinned in their own zone for so many extended shifts and several recent games have resembled a 60 minute PK. Great goaltending has somewhat masked the fact that they're still terrible defensively- if there's any perceived defensive improvement this season, the metrics don't bear that out.

- Davewn


I should have used "a more accurate picture of whether the guy can coach" instead of "fair". Along those lines, I give the guy a good amount of credit for righting the ship after the HOF coach got canned and posting a solid 2nd half. That seems often overlooked here.
rpeters01
Joined: 07.09.2016

Nov 8 @ 2:48 PM ET
very good question...i assumed it is the same for him as dach...but dach was onlu jrs eligible...

he had an entry level slide...it seems the 9 game rule does not apply to him...he is in his 1st year of his 3 year ELC...

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/adam-boqvist

- bogiedoc

If it's anything like baseball you get three option years.
gabriel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: West Lafayette, IN
Joined: 02.02.2013

Nov 8 @ 2:50 PM ET
Great point - how many times did i notice Seabs or DeHann tracking a puck to the corner, only having a super quick Vanc FWD lap our D man and control said puck with ease. huge part of why we get stuck in our zone forever....D men are SLOW!!!!
- glennjpawlak22


Yes, they are slow. But, the onus of responsibility falls directly on the shoulders of the forwards. Some of our best scorers are horrid defenders. Strome, Kane, Dcat, jump quickly to mind. Somehow need to prioritize or balance the scoring/defending imbalance before this team takes to flight.
rpeters01
Joined: 07.09.2016

Nov 8 @ 2:53 PM ET
I know many count how many shots against and some nights they give up so many, i don't like it either but I'd rather they give up 50 shots on goal with defenders in front of the goalie as opposed to 7 to 10 breakaways or 2 on 1s in a game like they did the last couple of years.
- BetweenTheDots

I like 2010-2015 when they were giving up 3 shots a game and getting 10 breakaways, ahh the good old days!
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Nov 8 @ 2:55 PM ET
true...KK needs to clear waivers and he probably won't...

only way bokie stays past the sabre game is if murphy return is significantly delayed or another dman goes down..

they are eating one year of dachs elc and I don't think they want to eat another

- bogiedoc

There was a mention on the BOD that Murphy would not be back on 11/16, so the young one will probably stay a little longer. I can’t see them keeping Gus, he will be traded sooner or later. Also, don’t expect a big return for Gus.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Orange, CA
Joined: 11.06.2015

Nov 8 @ 2:56 PM ET
I understand what you're saying, but there aren't any asterisks in the record books for extenuating circumstances when it comes to any coach's record- almost all get the job when the guy before them gets whacked for team failures. Last season, off the top of my head, the Ducks, Oilers and of course, the Cup winning Blues all got an immediate bounce when they fired their head coaches mid season, so why does Colliton deserve a 10 game mulligan? Most thought Q's time had run its course and his message was stale...

The defensive system JC runs, whether by choice or by fiat, is ill suited to his personnel. Slow footed defensemen and the many defensively challenged forwards on this team shouldn't and can't play a pressure system in their own zone. It's why they get pinned in their own zone for so many extended shifts and several recent games have resembled a 60 minute PK. Great goaltending has somewhat masked the fact that they're still terrible defensively- if there's any perceived defensive improvement this season, the metrics don't bear that out.

- Davewn


The move from McClellan to Hitchcock provided nothing in terms of results in the standings (after 20 games). There was a slight bump in record when Murray took over for Carlyle (after 56 games). The STL turnaround was remarkable. There are different circumstances for every team. For instance, would a coaching change in MN, or OTT really produce a notably better result?
gabriel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: West Lafayette, IN
Joined: 02.02.2013

Nov 8 @ 2:58 PM ET
John Dietz
@johndietzdh
Blackhawks might be catching Pittsburgh at a good time.

- Kris Letang is considered week-to-week w/a lower-body injury
- Patric Hornqvist was placed on IR on November 3.

Oh, and Corey Crawford is 9-1-0 against the Penguins in his career. (Colliton did not give us starter, tho).

Hoping JC is actually looking at past records against certain teams in making his goalie decisions (not sure that he has), and decides to go with Crow for PIT and Lehner against TOR.

- pdx2ord


You've got my vote. Ha! (Like what any of us thinks, actually matters). Probably a good thing we're never consulted. Lol.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Nov 8 @ 3:01 PM ET
John Dietz
@johndietzdh
Blackhawks might be catching Pittsburgh at a good time.

- Kris Letang is considered week-to-week w/a lower-body injury
- Patric Hornqvist was placed on IR on November 3.

Oh, and Corey Crawford is 9-1-0 against the Penguins in his career. (Colliton did not give us starter, tho).

Hoping JC is actually looking at past records against certain teams in making his goalie decisions (not sure that he has), and decides to go with Crow for PIT and Lehner against TOR.

- pdx2ord


The Pens, without Letang and Hornqvist, came back from a 3 goal deficit in the 3rd period last night to end the Islanders 10 game winning streak. Let's hope the "good" Hawks show up against a good team on the road.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Nov 8 @ 3:05 PM ET
John Dietz
@johndietzdh
Blackhawks might be catching Pittsburgh at a good time.

- Kris Letang is considered week-to-week w/a lower-body injury
- Patric Hornqvist was placed on IR on November 3.

Oh, and Corey Crawford is 9-1-0 against the Penguins in his career. (Colliton did not give us starter, tho).

Hoping JC is actually looking at past records against certain teams in making his goalie decisions (not sure that he has), and decides to go with Crow for PIT and Lehner against TOR.

- pdx2ord


But Malkin and Bjugstaad are back.
GlennL
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Grayslake, IL
Joined: 03.02.2016

Nov 8 @ 3:09 PM ET
Let`s not get so excited,they will go back to there old ways and just look at the schedule ahead. Hope I`m wrong , but it's the way this team is.
gabriel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: West Lafayette, IN
Joined: 02.02.2013

Nov 8 @ 3:12 PM ET
The move from McClellan to Hitchcock provided nothing in terms of results in the standings (after 20 games). There was a slight bump in record when Murray took over for Carlyle (after 56 games). The STL turnaround was remarkable. There are different circumstances for every team. For instance, would a coaching change in MN, or OTT really produce a notably better result?
- Chunk


Probably not, but what about the Q move to the Panthers? They Cats were ordinary last year. Q again in the right place at the right time? Have no problems with that, if it happens. Dale may have finally latched on to something good.
gifman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Gifland
Joined: 09.17.2015

Nov 8 @ 3:15 PM ET
In reference to the chip and chase;

I have never seen JC use chip and chase at all last year, nor have I seen any evidence he used it down at the Rock, so why do people keep attributing the play to JC?

I get he is the head coach and he has the final say. Still this isn’t like him to use and abandon what worked last year or at his other tenures. I think it’s the experienced coach behind the bench giving him bad advice.
Savard2Secord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Round Lake, IL
Joined: 12.12.2016

Nov 8 @ 3:17 PM ET
This was a good win and certainly something to build on...

IMO, I would rather the Hawks get off to a slow start and finish strong rather than start strong and finish slow.... I mean this team has many new faces and I predicted the Hawks would get off to a slow/sluggish start because it takes time to form chemistry - not only that but adapt to JC's "system" (not a huge fan)...

JC needs to let the guys play their game instead of his game.. Last season the Hawks were rolling after the New Year. Perhaps JC should revert back to that game plan?... If I were Bowman I would certainly keep JC on a short leash if he cant get it together soon and I could see Marc Crawford taking over if the Hawks don't turn it around by Christmas... TBH, the brass should have never fired Q to begin with. It wasn't Q's fault the salary cap decimated the roster... You can only do so much with 1/2 an NHL roster, and there is no doubt in my mind the Hawks would be in a better position at this point had Q not been fired.

At any rate last night was a good win and hopefully the Hawks can string a few together and maybe that will be the boost they need to take it to the next level..

If we can get Kane, DeBrincat, Strome and Toews hot this team will be tough to beat...
gabriel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: West Lafayette, IN
Joined: 02.02.2013

Nov 8 @ 3:19 PM ET
Let`s not get so excited,they will go back to there old ways and just look at the schedule ahead. Hope I`m wrong , but it's the way this team is.
- GlennL


Speaking of schedules, were the Canucks perhaps caught looking ahead to their game tonite versus the Jets? Figuring they'd maul the Hawks in Chicago? Damn, did it feel good beating that team!
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Nov 8 @ 3:20 PM ET
Probably not, but what about the Q move to the Panthers? They Cats were ordinary last year. Q again in the right place at the right time? Have no problems with that, if it happens. Dale may have finally latched on to something good.
- gabriel


Q is a really good coach, and the Panthers have played beneath their perceived talent level for several years. Seems like a good match.
Popsghostly
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheaton, IL
Joined: 08.11.2017

Nov 8 @ 3:20 PM ET
In reference to the chip and chase;

I have never seen JC use chip and chase at all last year, nor have I seen any evidence he used it down at the Rock, so why do people keep attributing the play to JC?

I get he is the head coach and he has the final say. Still this isn’t like him to use and abandon what worked last year or at his other tenures. I think it’s the experienced coach behind the bench giving him bad advice.

- gifman


That experienced coach that Forsberg, Deadmarsh, Simon, Drury and Ricci that could retrieve pucks chipped in?
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Nov 8 @ 3:22 PM ET
Speaking of schedules, were the Canucks perhaps caught looking ahead to their game tonite versus the Jets? Figuring they'd maul the Hawks in Chicago? Damn, did it feel good beating that team!
- gabriel


They were probably bag-skated until 2:00 last night for losing to the Hawks.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Nov 8 @ 3:23 PM ET
Probably not, but what about the Q move to the Panthers? They Cats were ordinary last year. Q again in the right place at the right time? Have no problems with that, if it happens. Dale may have finally latched on to something good.
- gabriel


The Panthers couldn't get a save last year, thu the $10 mil. Bobrovsky signing.
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