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tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Nov 10 @ 1:34 PM ET
Say 2 hail marys... then go visit Father O'Brien in his office. Be sure to lock the door behind you when you get in, so no one interrupts him/I mean your meeting.
- PatShart


First of all, the sexual abuse scandal is not a laughing matter.

Second, I'm 42, so I'm a few decades too old for him!
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Nov 10 @ 1:36 PM ET
right write rite wright
- stanleyhawk


Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Nov 10 @ 1:36 PM ET
Nope...you...are still funny.

I don’t think anyone here is of a belief or feels confident the team is going to make the playoffs; but being a Hawk fan, I’ll root for the team and hope they make the playoffs.

See the difference?

If they make the playoffs, great. If they end up in line for another lottery pick...also great.

- HawkintheD



At least your honest and making a fair statement. However not all but quite a few hawks fans are making excuses or trying to rationalize the reality of this team .

I was very much looking forward to this season and on paper Chicago has improved and should be better.
I want Chicago to win and compete .

Maybe we have all become spoiled or whatever you want to call it, but reality is Chicago is in a major decline , with core players who's best days are well behind them and a front office that needs a major shakeup to bring in a GM who has experience as well as a true vision for this team and its farm system.

4 more years of watching Seabrook and Keith fall apart and cripple this team isn't going to help in anyway with getting back to a fun young dynamic team that isn't just thinking maybe we can make the playoffs but yes we can.


And I'm sorry but Kane is the only player who can bring any significant return.


HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Nov 10 @ 1:47 PM ET
At least your honest and making a fair statement. However not all but quite a few hawks fans are making excuses or trying to rationalize the reality of this team .

I was very much looking forward to this season and on paper Chicago has improved and should be better.
I want Chicago to win and compete .

Maybe we have all become spoiled or whatever you want to call it, but reality is Chicago is in a major decline , with core players who's best days are well behind them and a front office that needs a major shakeup to bring in a GM who has experience as well as a true vision for this team and its farm system.

4 more years of watching Seabrook and Keith fall apart and cripple this team isn't going to help in anyway with getting back to a fun young dynamic team that isn't just thinking maybe we can make the playoffs but yes we can.


And I'm sorry but Kane is the only player who can bring any significant return.

- Taylorst1


Agree with most of this. I may be by my lonesome but I think Stan has a vision and if you look at how contracts are set up, it's when the Golden Era Core guy's deals end.

I don't think that means they can't compete or be competitive before then. I doubt they would ever trade Kane, but he's the one guy who could bring back a lot and speed up the rebuild.

In other notes...Mitch hits a guy in stride...and he drops it.

Edit - And some of y'all think the Hawks are a mess.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Nov 10 @ 1:55 PM ET
Good morning, Ray Donovan.
- mohel


I honestly have never seen an episode. I want to...looks like itbwouod be good and I like that actor. But I dont get the reference unfortunately
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Nov 10 @ 2:03 PM ET
Agree with most of this. I may be by my lonesome but I think Stan has a vision and if you look at how contracts are set up, it's when the Golden Era Core guy's deals end.

I don't think that means they can't compete or be competitive before then. I doubt they would ever trade Kane, but he's the one guy who could bring back a lot and speed up the rebuild.

In other notes...Mitch hits a guy in stride...and he drops it.

Edit - And some of y'all think the Hawks are a mess.

- HawkintheD


I feel like Wolfie. I'm getting to the point where I can't watch anymore.
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Nov 10 @ 2:07 PM ET
Agree with most of this. I may be by my lonesome but I think Stan has a vision and if you look at how contracts are set up, it's when the Golden Era Core guy's deals end.

I don't think that means they can't compete or be competitive before then. I doubt they would ever trade Kane, but he's the one guy who could bring back a lot and speed up the rebuild.

In other notes...Mitch hits a guy in stride...and he drops it.

Edit - And some of y'all think the Hawks are a mess.

- HawkintheD



I agree Mitch is a joke. The bears are such a big let down and disappointment.

Regarding Stan and the contracts , I'm sure 5 years ago when he offered these contracts , when Chicago was getting ready to win their 3rd cup , he had a plan but couldn't see the forest through the trees .

It's those 3 contracts Seabrook, toews and Kane that eat up almost 28 million in cap space with 2 of the 3 players in decline.

Instead of realizing reality that in order to do a rebuild the right way and not have it prolong , he has to find a way to trade off some of these core players and move on.

His hiring of JC is and was a mistake , when all he had to do was t the end of last season come to term that his experiment didn't really work out. How many great or stronger head coaches who where available where out their that Chicago could have hired , especially looking at this team now , they should be playing better and their not.

The only person to blame for that ultimately is the head coach.
Looking at the coaching staff , Crawford is the only one on the staff with any experience or achievements, Sheldon brookbank ? Come on he is JC 2.0

That their lies part of the problem IMO

I guess the question is how come Chicago's offensive production has been non existent?

I believe the only metric Chicago has improved upon this year is the pk, every other stat Chicago has went backwards.

Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Nov 10 @ 2:07 PM ET
Agree with most of this. I may be by my lonesome but I think Stan has a vision and if you look at how contracts are set up, it's when the Golden Era Core guy's deals end.

I don't think that means they can't compete or be competitive before then. I doubt they would ever trade Kane, but he's the one guy who could bring back a lot and speed up the rebuild.

In other notes...Mitch hits a guy in stride...and he drops it.

Edit - And some of y'all think the Hawks are a mess.

- HawkintheD



I agree Mitch is a joke. The bears are such a big let down and disappointment.

Regarding Stan and the contracts , I'm sure 5 years ago when he offered these contracts , when Chicago was getting ready to win their 3rd cup , he had a plan but couldn't see the forest through the trees .

It's those 3 contracts Seabrook, toews and Kane that eat up almost 28 million in cap space with 2 of the 3 players in decline.

Instead of realizing reality that in order to do a rebuild the right way and not have it prolong , he has to find a way to trade off some of these core players and move on.

His hiring of JC is and was a mistake , when all he had to do was t the end of last season come to term that his experiment didn't really work out. How many great or stronger head coaches who where available where out their that Chicago could have hired , especially looking at this team now , they should be playing better and their not.

The only person to blame for that ultimately is the head coach.
Looking at the coaching staff , Crawford is the only one on the staff with any experience or achievements, Sheldon brookbank ? Come on he is JC 2.0

That their lies part of the problem IMO

I guess the question is how come Chicago's offensive production has been non existent?

I believe the only metric Chicago has improved upon this year is the pk, every other stat Chicago has went backwards.

bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Nov 10 @ 2:09 PM ET
#88...a maestro with the puck

https://twitter.com/BySco...tatus/1193557774476726272

I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Nov 10 @ 2:09 PM ET
54 yarder for Prater. Piñiero struggles with half of that distance.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Nov 10 @ 2:10 PM ET
Agree with most of this. I may be by my lonesome but I think Stan has a vision and if you look at how contracts are set up, it's when the Golden Era Core guy's deals end.

I don't think that means they can't compete or be competitive before then. I doubt they would ever trade Kane, but he's the one guy who could bring back a lot and speed up the rebuild.

In other notes...Mitch hits a guy in stride...and he drops it.

Edit - And some of y'all think the Hawks are a mess.

- HawkintheD


all chicago teams at this point are mess in someway...championship outlook looks very bleak
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Nov 10 @ 2:12 PM ET
I feel like Wolfie. I'm getting to the point where I can't watch anymore.
- I Am The Breadman


don't worry a late 2nd half "rally" will arrive and again be to late
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Nov 10 @ 2:14 PM ET
at least the punter o'donnell is having a good day...
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Nov 10 @ 2:15 PM ET
don't worry a late 2nd half "rally" will arrive and again be to late
- bogiedoc


Are they going to double their first down total in the second half? Then I'll be impressed ...
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Nov 10 @ 2:24 PM ET
I should badmouth the Bears more often if it means they will score.
pdx2ord
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.02.2015

Nov 10 @ 2:25 PM ET
career shout out out stats for Kane: 42 goals in 104 attempts thats 40.4% that puts him 3rd with players over 100 attempts...

not that far from toews; 4 less goals with 9 more attempts...

- bogiedoc


Thanks for looking that up for us. Not first or last time what I think I see is proven wrong with stats/facts.


HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Nov 10 @ 2:25 PM ET
all chicago teams at this point are mess in someway...championship outlook looks very bleak
- bogiedoc


Damn you!
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Nov 10 @ 2:31 PM ET
I agree Mitch is a joke. The bears are such a big let down and disappointment.

Regarding Stan and the contracts , I'm sure 5 years ago when he offered these contracts , when Chicago was getting ready to win their 3rd cup , he had a plan but couldn't see the forest through the trees .

It's those 3 contracts Seabrook, toews and Kane that eat up almost 28 million in cap space with 2 of the 3 players in decline.

Instead of realizing reality that in order to do a rebuild the right way and not have it prolong , he has to find a way to trade off some of these core players and move on.

His hiring of JC is and was a mistake , when all he had to do was t the end of last season come to term that his experiment didn't really work out. How many great or stronger head coaches who where available where out their that Chicago could have hired , especially looking at this team now , they should be playing better and their not.

The only person to blame for that ultimately is the head coach.
Looking at the coaching staff , Crawford is the only one on the staff with any experience or achievements, Sheldon brookbank ? Come on he is JC 2.0

That their lies part of the problem IMO

I guess the question is how come Chicago's offensive production has been non existent?

I believe the only metric Chicago has improved upon this year is the pk, every other stat Chicago has went backwards.

- Taylorst1


Ok, come on. 88 and 19's contract were signed prior to the '15 Cup and after the '15 Cup if you thought the team should have been in rebuild mode, you're wasting your talents here.

Something tells me though that you're employing your hindsight goggles like most of the torch and pitchfork crowd.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Nov 10 @ 2:47 PM ET
Don't know if anyone posted this yet, but Marner injured last night and did not accompany the team to Chicago.MRI scheduled for his leg today.
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Nov 10 @ 2:53 PM ET
Again, Mitch can't hit a guy in stride under no pressure and the throw is short of the sticks...punt.

Edit - This is for Ogi in case he's flying. I know he'll want the play by play cause you know...the NFL.

- HawkintheD

Indeed. Thanks bud. Just back from the Left Coast. Hoping to get home just in time to see the inevitable game ending doink.
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Nov 10 @ 2:54 PM ET
Ok, come on. 88 and 19's contract were signed prior to the '15 Cup and after the '15 Cup if you thought the team should have been in rebuild mode, you're wasting your talents here.

Something tells me though that you're employing your hindsight goggles like most of the torch and pitchfork crowd.

- HawkintheD


Their was no back and forth discussions taking place with toews and Kanes contracts , if anything toews should have earned less the Kane.

But seabrooks contract was just downright dumb I don't care what he meant or did for the team it's still a business that Stan had no problem deciding at certain points throughout his current tenure who he considers core and expendable. If anything the responsible move would have been let Seabrook walk and if any team was willing to pay him so be it , if not Stan then still has some leverage .

8 years ? As far as hindsight okay I'll grant you that argument. But it's not like Stan didn't earn his fair share of criticisms, at some point in any job people get fired for non performance or multiple mistakes that cost businesses from profiting or growing , etc.

Talon was axed for his mistake when Rocky actually had some balls , now Rocky is Mia 5 years removed from a cup and declining and very close to another season of missing the playoffs, at what point does Rocky say enough is enough and demand change.

This notion that Chicago has to have certain players waste away their last few years while being paid huge salaries just to retire a hawk IMO is a bit shortsighted of what these owners went into business for and that is to produce a fun exciting atmosphere, win games and win championship.

Toews , Kane, Keith and Seabrook are no longer going to help Chicago achieve those goals.

For those who point to their contracts and the NMC I say history tells us that it's not impossible to move them it's happened in the past, the question is who wants to have the flashing light moment that it's time to initiate that conversation.



Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Nov 10 @ 2:54 PM ET
Ok, come on. 88 and 19's contract were signed prior to the '15 Cup and after the '15 Cup if you thought the team should have been in rebuild mode, you're wasting your talents here.

Something tells me though that you're employing your hindsight goggles like most of the torch and pitchfork crowd.

- HawkintheD


Their was no back and forth discussions taking place with toews and Kanes contracts , if anything toews should have earned less the Kane.

But seabrooks contract was just downright dumb I don't care what he meant or did for the team it's still a business that Stan had no problem deciding at certain points throughout his current tenure who he considers core and expendable. If anything the responsible move would have been let Seabrook walk and if any team was willing to pay him so be it , if not Stan then still has some leverage .

8 years ? As far as hindsight okay I'll grant you that argument. But it's not like Stan didn't earn his fair share of criticisms, at some point in any job people get fired for non performance or multiple mistakes that cost businesses from profiting or growing , etc.

Talon was axed for his mistake when Rocky actually had some balls , now Rocky is Mia 5 years removed from a cup and declining and very close to another season of missing the playoffs, at what point does Rocky say enough is enough and demand change.

This notion that Chicago has to have certain players waste away their last few years while being paid huge salaries just to retire a hawk IMO is a bit shortsighted of what these owners went into business for and that is to produce a fun exciting atmosphere, win games and win championship.

Toews , Kane, Keith and Seabrook are no longer going to help Chicago achieve those goals.

For those who point to their contracts and the NMC I say history tells us that it's not impossible to move them it's happened in the past, the question is who wants to have the flashing light moment that it's time to initiate that conversation.



bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Nov 10 @ 2:54 PM ET
Damn you!
- HawkintheD


I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Nov 10 @ 2:56 PM ET
Who are these Bears?
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Nov 10 @ 2:56 PM ET
Don't know if anyone posted this yet, but Marner injured last night and did not accompany the team to Chicago.MRI scheduled for his leg today.
- boilermaker100

Yes it was posted earlier, however did not know about MRI.
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