Marner camp doesn't want the 11milx8yrs the leafs because it's not as much as Matthews. but he wants a 3 yr deal....... Someone better tell him that if he wants 3 yr bridge deal he's going to be half of the Matthews number.

If he signs a 3 year bridge deal for 7mil (which is a massive overpay) he'd have to sign for 13.5mil for 5years which to make it equal to what he turned down at 11x8.


His represetative are (frank)ing idiots.

The mistake was paying anyone more than Tavares. Once they signed him it should have been known 11 was the max. Many teams have done this and even announced it publicly. But quietly Matthews was able to not only get more than a seasoned vet UFA, he also got to max out his potential for his next deal and walk to UFA status. This is why all these RFA's are not signed. They all want something like what Matthews got. Big money, 5 year term so they can get max dollars in UFA asap. Dubas and the Leafs did this to themselves and have no one else to blame. Remember Matthews had no more leverage than Marner does now, but they gave in very, very easily. Other Gms must hate Kyle Dubas.
- aminnes

Lolz

Marner camp doesn't want the 11milx8yrs the leafs because it's not as much as Matthews. but he wants a 3 yr deal....... Someone better tell him that if he wants 3 yr bridge deal he's going to be half of the Matthews number.

If he signs a 3 year bridge deal for 7mil (which is a massive overpay) he'd have to sign for 13.5mil for 5years which to make it equal to what he turned down at 11x8.


His represetative same (frank)ing idiots.
- burn

precisely... I don't know why Marner (and his parents) aren't realizing that the agent - if he really is handling the conversations to date - isn't over complicating this thing.

at this point - if Marner were to receive an offer sheet (I don't if that's even possible) he must realize it won't be anything close to the 4 1sts level, and of course the Leafs would then match.

to be fair to the rest of the team, and to attempt to shut the media up once and for all - Dubas should publicly declare a drop dead date for negotiations - and that should be before the season starts.

don't sign by that date, sit - that will be somewhere between 7 - 9.5Million dollars lost.... and not a day closer to FreeAgency.

meanwhile Willy Holdoutlander is quietly praying he can re-acquire his ability to play hockey... god he must be loving the distraction.

Just saw Babcock saying "leafs will have a new goalie" guess that cements neuvirth as backup

Just saw Babcock saying "leafs will have a new goalie" guess that cements neuvirth as backup
- burn

Or - as yesterday was pointed out in an article on theathletic - a goalie that another team will need to put on waivers.

Or - as yesterday was pointed out in an article on theathletic - a goalie that another team will need to put on waivers.
- MaximusAurelius

Good chance they take the goalie they've had around heading into camp and all camp and is already familiar with one of the coaches.

But sure if someone puts a goalie that is better and as cheap then it's an option

precisely... I don't know why Marner (and his parents) aren't realizing that the agent - if he really is handling the conversations to date - isn't over complicating this thing.

at this point - if Marner were to receive an offer sheet (I don't if that's even possible) he must realize it won't be anything close to the 4 1sts level, and of course the Leafs would then match.

to be fair to the rest of the team, and to attempt to shut the media up once and for all - Dubas should publicly declare a drop dead date for negotiations - and that should be before the season starts.

don't sign by that date, sit - that will be somewhere between 7 - 9.5Million dollars lost.... and not a day closer to FreeAgency.

meanwhile Willy Holdoutlander is quietly praying he can re-acquire his ability to play hockey... god he must be loving the distraction.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Nylander will be fine. He didn't have the results, but he was playing extremely well by the end of the year.

With Marner, I agree - Dubas needs to put 2-3 offers on the table, and give him a date.

You've got 3x$7.5, 6x$10 or 8x$11; if there isn't a signed contract returned by September 20th, we'll assume you would like to play somewhere else where none of the offers will be anywhere near as enticing as those, and will seek a trade. If one can't be made, you'll miss the 2019-2020 season.

Somewhere Jeremy Bracco must be working out extra hard.

Are we allowed to grow our own in Canadia?
- kaptaan

Certain provinces I think..

Quebec is being poopty about it.

Good chance they take the goalie they've had around heading into camp and all camp and is already familiar with one of the coaches.

But sure if someone puts a goalie that is better and as cheap then it's an option
- burn

Hutchinson must be feeling tip-top today.

The mistake was paying anyone more than Tavares. Once they signed him it should have been known 11 was the max. Many teams have done this and even announced it publicly. But quietly Matthews was able to not only get more than a seasoned vet UFA, he also got to max out his potential for his next deal and walk to UFA status. This is why all these RFA's are not signed. They all want something like what Matthews got. Big money, 5 year term so they can get max dollars in UFA asap. Dubas and the Leafs did this to themselves and have no one else to blame. Remember Matthews had no more leverage than Marner does now, but they gave in very, very easily. Other Gms must hate Kyle Dubas.
- aminnes

Matthews did have more leverage. He's better and was the one RFA who would have actually gotten an offersheet.

The mistake was paying anyone more than Tavares. Once they signed him it should have been known 11 was the max. Many teams have done this and even announced it publicly. But quietly Matthews was able to not only get more than a seasoned vet UFA, he also got to max out his potential for his next deal and walk to UFA status. This is why all these RFA's are not signed. They all want something like what Matthews got. Big money, 5 year term so they can get max dollars in UFA asap. Dubas and the Leafs did this to themselves and have no one else to blame. Remember Matthews had no more leverage than Marner does now, but they gave in very, very easily. Other Gms must hate Kyle Dubas.
- aminnes

Matthews did have more leverage. He's better and was the one RFA who would have actually gotten an offersheet.

I'm so sick of hearing about our superstars making a lot of me. Then fire Dubas, and bring in a GM which pays 5 million per for a 4th liner like e aw all summer like we say in Pittsburgh, Long Island, Philly, Vancouver, ETC

Some of you suggesting a bridge of 7.5 need to stop smoking crack.

Matthews did have more leverage. He's better and was the one RFA who would have actually gotten an offersheet.

I'm so sick of hearing about our superstars making a lot of me. Then fire Dubas, and bring in a GM which pays 5 million per for a 4th liner like e aw all summer like we say in Pittsburgh, Long Island, Philly, Vancouver, ETC
- RogerRoeper

Slow down bro. Breathe.

Marner camp doesn't want the 11milx8yrs the leafs because it's not as much as Matthews. but he wants a 3 yr deal....... Someone better tell him that if he wants 3 yr bridge deal he's going to be half of the Matthews number.

If he signs a 3 year bridge deal for 7mil (which is a massive overpay) he'd have to sign for 13.5mil for 5years which to make it equal to what he turned down at 11x8.


His represetative are (frank)ing idiots.
- burn

Agree. What many don't understand is that NPV (Net Present Value) is important in determining what a contract is really worth. $1 today is worth much more than $1 in 3 years. Leafs are abie to offer more by front loading contracts than most teams. The AAV is really relevant for managing the salary cap and for the egos of idiots like Ferris and Marner's father.

Some of you suggesting a bridge of 7.5 need to stop smoking crack.
- systemtool

First of all, I'll stop smoking crack when I want to, thank you very much.

Secondly, I find that the 7 or 7.5 or 8 bridge deals being thrown around are crazy, but the perceived shift here is that while Kucherov was at 4.5 3 years ago, there's been a shift.

I don't know where this "shift" is - perhaps it's more media driven - because I haven't seen any other bridge deal in excess of $5m that I can recall.

I think part of the shift is that Kucherov probably should've had $6m on that bridge, but Tampa was strapped and Tampa and is Tampa.

The second part is basically this: If Marner is worth 8x11, and 4 of those years are UFA years, and the average of the UFA years is $14.5m (which is insane), then the average salary over the 4 RFA years is 7.5m.

Offersheet compensation for 7x 10.55 is 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd.
Judging by McKensie's messaging that leafs offered a long term deal 'in the 11mln universe', that's about what leafs offered.
Marner can get that salary with 3-5 teams in league.
It's not about the AAV - it's about the appreciation by leafs and commitment which is shown by a new contract offer.
Perfectly reasonable by Marner to look for a 11.5+ deal on 8 years.
Leafs probably still lowballing him with the offer around 10.5per/7y.
Again - it's not about the money, it's about signaling that the team appreciates him as a key player.
The signal should have been to first sign him and then get johnsson and kapanen done. Leafs got their priorities wrong.

Agree. What many don't understand is that NPV (Net Present Value) is important in determining what a contract is really worth. $1 today is worth much more than $1 in 3 years. Leafs are able to offer more by front loading contracts than most teams. The AAV is really relevant for managing the salary cap and for the egos of idiots like Ferris and Marner's father.
- winsix

Muy importante!

Nobody will trade for this guy and give him the $ and term he (his father) wants...as Ken Holland said "if you want to play in Switzerland for $400,000 you better learn to yodel"...see ya MM...I don't think you want to be in Toronto

Offersheet compensation for 7x 10.55 is 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd.
Judging by McKensie's messaging that leafs offered a long term deal 'in the 11mln universe', that's about what leafs offered.
Marner can get that salary with 3-5 teams in league.
It's not about the AAV - it's about the appreciation by leafs and commitment which is shown by a new contract offer.
Perfectly reasonable by Marner to look for a 11.5+ deal on 8 years.
Leafs probably still lowballing him with the offer around 10.5per/7y.
Again - it's not about the money, it's about signaling that the team appreciates him as a key player.
The signal should have been to first sign him and then get johnsson and kapanen done. Leafs got their priorities wrong.
- MaximusAurelius

From the Leaf's stand point Max - it is only about AAV.

Nobody will trade for this guy and give him the $ and term he (his father) wants...as Ken Holland said "if you want to play in Switzerland for $400,000 you better learn to yodel"...see ya MM...I don't think you want to be in Toronto
- Kashgold

I think his dad turned out that way because of trailer trash mother.
Or maybe he was a d-bag from the start and that's why he found her to be a great fit.

Offersheet compensation for 7x 10.55 is 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd.
Judging by McKensie's messaging that leafs offered a long term deal 'in the 11mln universe', that's about what leafs offered.
Marner can get that salary with 3-5 teams in league.
It's not about the AAV - it's about the appreciation by leafs and commitment which is shown by a new contract offer.
Perfectly reasonable by Marner to look for a 11.5+ deal on 8 years.
Leafs probably still lowballing him with the offer around 10.5per/7y.
Again - it's not about the money, it's about signaling that the team appreciates him as a key player.
The signal should have been to first sign him and then get johnsson and kapanen done. Leafs got their priorities wrong.
- MaximusAurelius

Offersheet comp is 4 1sts...when term is over 5 years they just take the total and divide by 5...so it exceeds 10.5mill...voila 4 1sts

Matthews did have more leverage. He's better and was the one RFA who would have actually gotten an offersheet.
- RogerRoeper

There have been offersheets. So he wouldnt have been the only one.

There have been offersheets. So he wouldnt have been the only one.
- Fakepartofme

None for 4 1sts.

From the Leaf's stand point Max - it is only about AAV.
- winsix

If they don't understand how people and sports teams work, they might have a bigger problem than marner.
Recent contracts negotiated by Leafs don't look great.

First of all, I'll stop smoking crack when I want to, thank you very much.

Secondly, I find that the 7 or 7.5 or 8 bridge deals being thrown around are crazy, but the perceived shift here is that while Kucherov was at 4.5 3 years ago, there's been a shift.

I don't know where this "shift" is - perhaps it's more media driven - because I haven't seen any other bridge deal in excess of $5m that I can recall.

I think part of the shift is that Kucherov probably should've had $6m on that bridge, but Tampa was strapped and Tampa and is Tampa.

The second part is basically this: If Marner is worth 8x11, and 4 of those years are UFA years, and the average of the UFA years is $14.5m (which is insane), then the average salary over the 4 RFA years is 7.5m.
- Monkeypunk

I would play in TB/FLA/LA for half the money you’d have to pay me to play in WPG/STL/MIN/EDM.. life’s (frank)ing short, being somewhere less stressful is more important than tons of money. When Gards signed in CAR for a million less than MTL offered, I was like, “well duh.”

There’s definitely a shift happening in terms of how guys are getting paid. MacKinnon was the last of the Brokehecians. Every other young star is getting paid as RFA’s.