HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Best defense pairing in the Pacific Division?

Calling Giordano and Andersson a defensive pairing is pretty silly. 155 minutes isn't even a sample size when all the other pairings are together 1000+ minutes. Why not just say Giordano plus whoever else because I hate Brodie.

Brodie and Hanifin's expected goals number was off the charts when they were together. Why not mention them? Oh, yeah, they're not a thing. Neither is Giordano Andersson.

Calling Giordano and Andersson a defensive pairing is pretty silly. 155 minutes isn't even a sample size when all the other pairings are together 1000+ minutes. Why not just say Giordano plus whoever else because I hate Brodie.

Brodie and Hanifin's expected goals number was off the charts when they were together. Why not mention them? Oh, yeah, they're not a thing. Neither is Giordano Andersson.
- Hunkulese

Always a ray of sunshine... you need to get laid.

Wouldn’t that still be a small sample size?

Gio and Ras playing so well together is the main reason a Brodie deal was even considered you don’t trade a top pairing guy without being dam sure you have a replacement!! That said no way we can afford to pay what he will ask and keep young guys so it’s trade deadline will be the last u see Brodie in a flames jersey give Val enough time to get back

Calling Giordano and Andersson a defensive pairing is pretty silly. 155 minutes isn't even a sample size when all the other pairings are together 1000+ minutes. Why not just say Giordano plus whoever else because I hate Brodie.

Brodie and Hanifin's expected goals number was off the charts when they were together. Why not mention them? Oh, yeah, they're not a thing. Neither is Giordano Andersson.
- Hunkulese

Wow you really are a dnik! Get a life.

Gio and Ras playing so well together is the main reason a Brodie deal was even considered you don’t trade a top pairing guy without being dam sure you have a replacement!! That said no way we can afford to pay what he will ask and keep young guys so it’s trade deadline will be the last u see Brodie in a flames jersey give Val enough time to get back
- Hockeyfan4life14

The Flames are going to be in contention in the West. There's zero chance they're trading Brodie at the trade deadline.

The Flames just came off a disastrous postseason. You really think they're going to go into the playoffs with a group of defencemen that has 2 second-year guys, a guy who's still technically a rookie, and old man Hanifin?

The Flames will be desperate to add defensive depth at the deadline, not weaken the team.

Wow your on glue no way to keep Brodie beyond this year why lose for nothin when we already have his replacement? And old man hanifin ? I’m beginning to think you just act like a fool to get a response ! Hammy and hanifin are top pairing on just about every team!!! Our D depth is fine we just poop the bed in playoffs causes we hadn’t played meaningful hockey for just about 2 months Colorado was hungry end of story

Wow your on glue no way to keep Brodie beyond this year why lose for nothin when we already have his replacement? And old man hanifin ? I’m beginning to think you just act like a fool to get a response ! Hammy and hanifin are top pairing on just about every team!!! Our D depth is fine we just poop the bed in playoffs causes we hadn’t played meaningful hockey for just about 2 months Colorado was hungry end of story
- Hockeyfan4life14

You must be new to the sport of hockey. Playoff teams aren't concerned about losing players for nothing. They're concerned with winning in the playoffs. Have you ever seen a trade deadline before? Teams that want to win give up first round picks and prospects for guys they're going to lose for nothing at the end of the season.

And how exactly is the Flames D depth fine? Andersson has looked great on the 3rd pairing. But he's spent 95% of his time on the first pairing and you're already confident he'll be a top line stud for the playoffs? Kylington was alright last year, but the coaches gave up on him when game started to matter and he didn't play at all in the playoffs. Valimaki is still a prospect. He only played 24 games last year, didn't really stand out either good or bad, and is going to miss 3/4 of this year. You're counting on him to be a stud in the playoffs.

Let's say none of the three take a step back next year, which is almost impossible considering sophmore slumps are a very really thing, what are the chances that all six defencemen stay healthy through four round of the playoffs. What happens when someone gets hurt? Are you going to be excited to see Andrew MacDonald suit up in the playoffs?

If the Flames are contending at all, trading Brodie would be as idiotic as it gets. It's not worth the low first round pick he might bring in, especially when there's a decent chance you'll have to face him in the playoffs.

You need at least 7 sure thing defencemen to make a run. Right now, the Flames have 4 sure things, 2 probablies, and a maybe.

You had me at teams don’t care about losing stop pair D man for nothin wow I’ve never seen it give one example of a team that gives a top pair guy up for low picks or for nothin and maybe we can continue hockey talk

You had me at teams don’t care about losing stop pair D man for nothin wow I’ve never seen it give one example of a team that gives a top pair guy up for low picks or for nothin and maybe we can continue hockey talk
- Hockeyfan4life14

Gardiner is about a close a comparable to Brodie as there is the NHL. The Leafs lost him for nothing because they wanted him for the playoffs. Myers is a top 4 defencemen on most teams. The Jets lost him for nothing because they wanted him in the playoffs. Azner, lost for nothing because the Capitals wanted him in the playoffs. Penguins gave up a second round pick for Hainsey then lost him for nothing because they wanted him in the playoffs. Brian Campbell, lost for nothing because they wanted him for the playoffs. 2015 Mike Green, lost for nothing because they wanted him for the playoffs. Paul Martin, lost for nothing because they wanted him for the playoffs. Cody Franson, gave up assets to bring in and then lost for nothing because they wanted him for the playoffs. The only top pairing defenceman that a playoff team traded away at the deadline was Shattenkirk, and the Blues basically got nothing for him when you look back on it now, and Washington lost him for nothing because they wanted him for the playoffs. The best possible return the Flames could hope for would be a low first round pick and a prospect who's got a 50/50 shot of being anything. Who wants that?

Sense a pattern? Most of those guys would have brought back a similar return to what Brodie would bring at the deadline. Guess what, playoff teams would rather have the player than the pick.

Gardiner is about a close a comparable to Brodie as there is the NHL. The Leafs lost him for nothing because they wanted him for the playoffs. Myers is a top 4 defencemen on most teams. The Jets lost him for nothing because they wanted him in the playoffs. Azner, lost for nothing because the Capitals wanted him in the playoffs. Penguins gave up a second round pick for Hainsey then lost him for nothing because they wanted him in the playoffs. Brian Campbell, lost for nothing because they wanted him for the playoffs. 2015 Mike Green, lost for nothing because they wanted him for the playoffs. Paul Martin, lost for nothing because they wanted him for the playoffs. Cody Franson, gave up assets to bring in and then lost for nothing because they wanted him for the playoffs. The only top pairing defenceman that a playoff team traded away at the deadline was Shattenkirk, and the Blues basically got nothing for him when you look back on it now, and Washington lost him for nothing because they wanted him for the playoffs. The best possible return the Flames could hope for would be a low first round pick and a prospect who's got a 50/50 shot of being anything. Who wants that?

Sense a pattern? Most of those guys would have brought back a similar return to what Brodie would bring at the deadline. Guess what, playoff teams would rather have the player than the pick.
- Hunkulese

Hunkulese we all get your point and opinions on Brodie as for the last 6 months you have been regurgitating the same stuff!
No one is suggesting trading Brodie for nothing and clearly with Valimaki's unfortunate injury the circumstances involving any potential move have changed.
You harp on the sophomore slump but did you ever consider Rasmus might take another step entering his 4TH year of PRO hockey? He clearly was better than Brodie down the stretch and in the playoffs last year and if he maintains his fitness commitment the future is very bright for this kid.
I wont be shocked if TJ is not traded and goes to free agency in July but I also wont be surprised if he is packaged with a left winger or possibly Janko before the season starts and we get a right winger and a 3rd pairing Dman in return.

You have 2 on your list that are close to Brodie yup and Gardner is choosing to try stay in Toronto but Toronto chose to give money else where that’s a victim of circumstances, flames would love to keep Brodie and most smart fans would too he’s a great payer on a steal of a expiring contract Green in his later years was older than Brodie is now and was shopped as a hired gun for playoffs you can spout off all you like but the reality is every situation is different and no one in their right mind wants to lose a player like Brodie for nothin

They will only trade Brodie if it improves the team

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Have to agree with Hunk here
they arent trading Brodie if we are a top contending team heading into the playoffs...why risk that?
The only chance is if we get a great return that makes sense moving forward while still helping the team for the playoff run....Id say thats unlikely

We were most likely looking at trading Brodie in the off season, but with Valimaki out, we're needing him for the season and its risky trading assets that you lean heavily on before the playoffs (it would have been different if he was traded in the off season and you had a full season to lean on our younger D like Valimaki, Kylington, Andersson)

Its why Columbus kept Bob and Panarin....they viewed losing them as their deadline acquisitions.
Yes we'd lose Brodie for nothing, but that's the price you pay if you're in win now mode. The assets youd get back for trading Brodie would be similar to trying to add someone of his caliber for a run, so you go with the devil you know and not mess with team chemistry

Of course who knows because maybe through the season the younger players step up and valimaki comes back healthy and playing well while brodie falls off a cliff to the point they don't even want to play him. Despite pulling my hair out when I watch Brodie play sometimes, I doubt this happens...