I think it means there's no consensus here on what a dimension is. Before the debates here the last few weeks, I always considered scoring, setting up scoring, and defense as the 3 dimensions. That makes Skinner one dimensional. I didn't invent this. I think this is generally how it's discussed and written about. If you consider forechecking or drawing penalties as dimensions, then there's a lot of dimensions in your universe, and very few players would be considered one dimensional. Girgensons is a strong forechecker, Larsson draws penalties....are they really not one dimensional?
- Lunaion

Ovie is one dimensional as well I guess.

I think it means there's no consensus here on what a dimension is. Before the debates here the last few weeks, I always considered scoring, setting up scoring, and defense as the 3 dimensions. That makes Skinner one dimensional. I didn't invent this. I think this is generally how it's discussed and written about. If you consider forechecking or drawing penalties as dimensions, then there's a lot of dimensions in your universe, and very few players would be considered one dimensional. Girgensons is a strong forechecker, Larsson draws penalties....are they really not one dimensional?
- Lunaion

This is actually a really good post. I may not agree with you on there being 3 dimensions, but it is at least clear where you are coming from. The question is how many mult-dimension players are out there then? If you define "multi-dimensional" using your metrics, I guess you could argue that if you are multi-dimensional, you could be considered "elite".

I would argue though that there are metrics that play into your dimensions. Even if you don't consider "forechecking" to be a dimension, it has to be considered when taking into account defense, right? Since Skinner is a good forechecker, it means his defense is better than some are giving him credit for, right?

Ovie is one dimensional as well I guess.
- RhinoFan

If you look around, you'll find a lot of debate on this. You'll also find TSN arguing that Laine is much more than one dimensional. This is not a new or unique debate.

I think it means there's no consensus here on what a dimension is. Before the debates here the last few weeks, I always considered scoring, setting up scoring, and defense as the 3 dimensions. That makes Skinner one dimensional. I didn't invent this. I think this is generally how it's discussed and written about. If you consider forechecking or drawing penalties as dimensions, then there's a lot of dimensions in your universe, and very few players would be considered one dimensional. Girgensons is a strong forechecker, Larsson draws penalties....are they really not one dimensional?
- Lunaion

It’s actually just a silly term used to diminish a player, and it rarely applies appropriately.

You don’t hear people calling players “multi-dimensional” as compliments

This is actually a really good post. I may not agree with you on there being 3 dimensions, but it is at least clear where you are coming from. The question is how many mult-dimension players are out there then? If you define "multi-dimensional" using your metrics, I guess you could argue that if you are multi-dimensional, you could be considered "elite".

I would argue though that there are metrics that play into your dimensions. Even if you don't consider "forechecking" to be a dimension, it has to be considered when taking into account defense, right? Since Skinner is a good forechecker, it means his defense is better than some are giving him credit for, right?
- ajb2493

I don't see it that way. ERod is decent in all 3 areas. He's not anything approaching elite. Skinner is great at one, I do consider him elite.

Is forechecking considered offense, defense, or something in between? I don't expect any agreement there.

I am waiting for the response
- homiedclown

Read m9re then, he was quoting nhl.coms top 20 wingers and skinner wasnt on it

I understand that. What I don't understand why anyone would want to have 3 or less dimensions to a game like hockey, where players are traded for simply for their faceoff %.

Can it be argued that's a trait and not a dimension of the game? Sure. However, as I said, by this logic, Ovie would be considered a 1 dimensional player. I hope we can agree that isn't factual and goes against the logic of only having 3 dimensions to the entire sport.
- RhinoFan

That's all this is, arguing about definitions. I haven't seen anyone fundamentally disagree on what Skinner does well.

The problem is that wingers don't matter, and if they hypothetically did (they dont), he's not good enough to be one of the ones who could matter, if it were possible for them to matter, which it isn't
- jcragcrumple

Special teams, takeaways, Lockport, and wingers don't matter. You heard it here first. The only thing that does matter is how an offensive player plays in the Dzone, and how a defenceman plays in the Ozone.

- adambuffalo

A crispy thin-crust steak pizza with goat cheese, mushrooms and spinach is multi-dimensional and elite

That's all this is, arguing about definitions. I haven't seen anyone fundamentally disagree on what Skinner does well.
- Lunaion

Agreed, I simply think that definition is flawed.

Last time I say it, I promise: by this logic, Ovie is one dimensional. He's one of the best to play the game. If that's the definition, it denotes nothing about talent or success at all.

Seems like we are narrowing the goal posts in an attempt to lessen a player if that's the case.

It's all about finding ways to motivate the kids and make learning more like eating tacos.
- RhinoFan

I'd have a PhD in about 7 topics.

A crispy thin-crust steak pizza with goat cheese, mushrooms and spinach is multi-dimensional and elite
- jcragcrumple

Don't let any of these goobers ruin it with olives though.

Guys, the New York Islanders went to the playoffs after losing John Tavares.

You know what that means....
- sbroads24

I was sitting in my lounge chair, smoking a cigar, naked with a silk robe on, sipping King Louis VIII, waiting for this comment.

Ok ok ok.

So it's like this.

If you eat 10 tacos a day, you're more likely to get hot sauce on your shirt.

If you don't eat tacos, no hot sauce issues.

It may look like the non-taco eating, clean shirt wearing individual is having a better time.

They aren't. They have no tacos. The lack of sauce is coincidental.

That's all I got today.
- RhinoFan

The problem is that wingers don't matter, and if they hypothetically did (they dont), he's not good enough to be one of the ones who could matter, if it were possible for them to matter, which it isn't
- jcragcrumple

This is a Rick Sanchez-sim

I was sitting in my lounge chair, smoking a cigar, naked with a silk robe on, sipping King Louis VIII, waiting for this comment.
- TheSabresTaco

You're sitting on a bean bag chair, naked, eating skittles and drinking Sunny D. Don't lie to us.

- BareMetal

If you are vegan, I can draw a comparison with salad and balsamic vinaigrette if you'd like.

LMK.

Ok ok ok.

So it's like this.

If you eat 10 tacos a day, you're more likely to get hot sauce on your shirt.

If you don't eat tacos, no hot sauce issues.

It may look like the non-taco eating, clean shirt wearing individual is having a better time.

They aren't. They have no tacos. The lack of sauce is coincidental.

That's all I got today.
- RhinoFan

Damn you.
Looks like Taco's for dinner to ignt... with 0lenty of sauce on my shirt.
Clearly, more sauce is an indication of a better time.

Ovie is one dimensional as well I guess.
- RhinoFan

I think it means there's no consensus here on what a dimension is. Before the debates here the last few weeks, I always considered scoring, setting up scoring, and defense as the 3 dimensions. That makes Skinner one dimensional. I didn't invent this. I think this is generally how it's discussed and written about. If you consider forechecking or drawing penalties as dimensions, then there's a lot of dimensions in your universe, and very few players would be considered one dimensional. Girgensons is a strong forechecker, Larsson draws penalties....are they really not one dimensional?
- Lunaion

So skating isn't a dimension? He's arguably the most elite skater in the NHL - definitely top 10. I'm not talking pure speed, but technique and fundamentals.

Who is the arbiter of dimensions?

You're sitting on a bean bag chair, naked, eating skittles and drinking Sunny D. Don't lie to us.
- RhinoFan

m&m's, (frank)face.

So skating isn't a dimension? He's arguably the most elite skater in the NHL - definitely top 10. I'm not talking pure speed, but technique and fundamentals.

Who is the arbiter of dimensions?
- jcragcrumple

If you are vegan, I can draw a comparison with salad and balsamic vinaigrette if you'd like.

LMK.
- RhinoFan

Can vegans eat salad, or, is it some kind of tofu infused vegetable? I don't understand the premise.

Are goal-scoring wingers the salad or the vinegar? The plate? All I know is none of the ingredients matter. Please help.

So skating isn't a dimension? He's arguably the most elite skater in the NHL - definitely top 10. I'm not talking pure speed, but technique and fundamentals.

Who is the arbiter of dimensions?
- jcragcrumple

For the love of all things good,
It is Arbitrator.