Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: WJSS Wrapup, Farabee, Hart, TIFH

First post after reading HB for years.

Bill, thank you for your extensive hockey knowledge and insights, especially with the Flyers.

My question or concern is if the Flyers wil regret picking Cam York over Caufield? No doubt York wil end up a fine offensive defenseman and you can never have enough in your system. Right now I don't see Bobby Brink being anywhere near Caufield. I know the step up to the NHL is huge, but Cole is lighting it up with the US Jr team. At least Farabee looks good.

First post after reading HB for years.

Bill, thank you for your extensive hockey knowledge and insights, especially with the Flyers.

My question or concern is if the Flyers wil regret picking Cam York over Caufield? No doubt York wil end up a fine offensive defenseman and you can never have enough in your system. Right now I don't see Bobby Brink being anywhere near Caufield. I know the step up to the NHL is huge, but Cole is lighting it up with the US Jr team. At least Farabee looks good.
- Nivcheret

My view is that you really couldn't go wrong either way with Caufield or York. York is more than just a fine offense D-man, he is really solid defensively, too. Has every tool but size. The smallish frame is why the general projection for him is a top-3 rather than a top-2 but I think there is a top-2 ceiling because of his smarts and poise.

The size issue that pushed Caufield down to 15th, many orgs prefer to draft centers (including ones they project as wingers at NHL level) or Dmen in round 1: "Build down the middle, round out on the wings" is the philosophy. If they do draft a winger, it's a two-way ("center-like traits") type like Farabee.

Caufield is likely going to have trouble in certain matchups because he gives away so much size but I think he'll score enough in the NHL to where you just live with that periodic drawback.

I think the odds are at least 50/50 that one of Frost/Farabee/Rubtsov be in the opening night lineup. I also think NAK, who isn’t waiver exempt anymore, has a pretty good shot to at least make the roster, but not necessarily be in the lineup.

Farabee is so good it's crazy

I'm def still a little upset we didnt draft Caufield but it's way way too early to judge

I think the odds are at least 50/50 that one of Frost/Farabee/Rubtsov be in the opening night lineup. I also think NAK, who isn’t waiver exempt anymore, has a pretty good shot to at least make the roster, but not necessarily be in the lineup.
- BiggE

65/35. Whoever makes the least amount of money should be 13th fwd.

NAK is yesterday’s news. Had his shot

First post after reading HB for years.

Bill, thank you for your extensive hockey knowledge and insights, especially with the Flyers.

My question or concern is if the Flyers wil regret picking Cam York over Caufield? No doubt York wil end up a fine offensive defenseman and you can never have enough in your system. Right now I don't see Bobby Brink being anywhere near Caufield. I know the step up to the NHL is huge, but Cole is lighting it up with the US Jr team. At least Farabee looks good.
- Nivcheret

I personally , while understanding what people see in Caufield, do not have an issue that they didn't pick him..Effectively 13 teams, you can rule out the first two, passed him over also.

When I look at the prospect pool the Flyers currently have , to me , they have a much deeper offensive selection then they do defensive as a function of all those d prospects being or just about to be called up. KNowing that it makes sense they went the York route.

NAK is yesterday’s news. Had his shot
- Just5

NAK rules, how dare you

I personally , while understanding what people see in Caufield, do not have an issue that they didn't pick him..Effectively 13 teams, you can rule out the first two, passed him over also.

When I look at the prospect pool the Flyers currently have , to me , they have a much deeper offensive selection then they do defensive as a function of all those d prospects being or just about to be called up. KNowing that it makes sense they went the York route.
- opeth_pa

No issue here either with the pick. The flyers just lack that true sniper is all.

I think Nak does make it, is in the press box and plays sparingly until an injury.

If he shows himself reasonably well, he is traded at the deadline

No issue here either with the pick. The flyers just lack that true sniper is all.
- daryl stanley

I think (hope) Brink will be able to fill that role

Also Rat has a plus shot

I think (hope) Brink will be able to fill that role

Also Rat has a plus shot
- bulet13

not in the class as caufield though. Doesn't mean he will succeed mind you

I think Nak does make it, is in the press box and plays sparingly until an injury.

If he shows himself reasonably well, he is traded at the deadline
- wcorvette

he is making what 750k? so yes i lethim be the 13th fwd and if you need him to fill in on occasion fine. If any long term injury he wouldn't be the guy anyway.

Though i wonder if they keep one of the ahl "tough" guys they signed as the 13th fwd? NAK aint gonna get claimed. If he does who cares.

On Aug. 4, 2005, the Flyers traded Roenick and Nashville's previously acquired 2006 third-round draft pick to the LA Kings for future considerations.
- bmeltzer

Did the Flyers ever get the "future considerations" from the Kings? If so, what were they? If not, time to cash in with interest added over 14 years?

he is making what 750k? so yes i lethim be the 13th fwd and if you need him to fill in on occasion fine. If any long term injury he wouldn't be the guy anyway.

Though i wonder if they keep one of the ahl "tough" guys they signed as the 13th fwd? NAK aint gonna get claimed. If he does who cares.
- daryl stanley

I do, he is still an asset and you just don’t throw away an asset. Plus he is still young enough to show a little more, I don’t think he is the long term plan but it still requires asset management

Did the Flyers ever get the "future considerations" from the Kings? If so, what were they? If not, time to cash in with interest added over 14 years?
- jmatchett383

Dave Taylor bought Clarkie a 6-pack of Molson and they called it even. Kidding aside, I don't know. Used to be that there was a default (small) cash payment owed if nothing was agreed to by a certain point. Later replaced by the conditional 7th round pick with condition not met so no compensation went back.

I do, he is still an asset and you just don’t throw away an asset. Plus he is still young enough to show a little more, I don’t think he is the long term plan but it still requires asset management
- wcorvette

he is not an asset in my opinion. An asset is one who has trade value. He has none to me. Maybe there is noting more to show as well

every team has at minimum 1 NAK like player. There is little chance any team claims him if waived. Especially in October.

I know the sample size isn't large, but NAK leaves very little to the imagination.

I'm not going to quit on the guy, I just don't know why his name keeps coming up.

he is not an asset in my opinion. An asset is one who has trade value. He has none to me. Maybe there is noting more to show as well

every team has at minimum 1 NAK like player. There is little chance any team claims him if waived. Especially in October.
- daryl stanley

Tampa claimed Danick Martel last year and then left him as a healthy scratch in all but 9 games. So you never know.

Tampa claimed Danick Martel last year and then left him as a healthy scratch in all but 9 games. So you never know.
- bmeltzer

correct you never know and it wasn't any loss him getting claimed. More times than not players don't get claimed. The numbers back that up.

correct you never know and it wasn't any loss him getting claimed. More times than not players don't get claimed. The numbers back that up.
- daryl stanley

You never know doesn’t mean let’s just give him away. He is 23, he has shown some flashes of skill and a former 2nd round pick. I think you are a year to early to say no big deal. If he shows little this season then get a bag of pucks. My guess is that the Flyers had a reason for signing him.

You never know doesn’t mean let’s just give him away. He is 23, he has shown some flashes of skill and a former 2nd round pick. I think you are a year to early to say no big deal. If he shows little this season then get a bag of pucks. My guess is that the Flyers had a reason for signing him.
- wcorvette

He hasnt shown anything at the nhl level and been average in the ahl. I dont care what round he was taken in as he is no longer a prospect. More of a suspect. He is really irrelevant in the flyers futures plans.

Do you think any team would trade for him today?

He hasnt shown anything at the nhl level and been average in the ahl. I dont care what round he was taken in as he is no longer a prospect. More of a suspect. He is really irrelevant in the flyers futures plans.

Do you think any team would trade for him today?
- daryl stanley

Not about today, it’s about what’s next. If he fits your description why did the Flyers sign him? They had to have a plan, no? I already stated I don’t think he is in the near term plan, that doesn’t stop the need to asset manage. Who knows what happens from there.

But it is true no player gets better after 23

Not about today, it’s about what’s next. If he fits your description why did the Flyers sign him? They had to have a plan, no? I already stated I don’t think he is in the near term plan, that doesn’t stop the need to asset manage. Who knows what happens from there.

But it is true no player gets better after 23
- wcorvette

always need depth at the AHL level. He isnt an asset though

Who said no player gets better after 23?