that was my thought as well but i was corrected - cant buy out ceci.
apparently can only buy out players that are on your roster before last trade deadline
- MaximusAurelius

That cant be accurate considering Marleau will be bought out by the canes.

Leafs wouldn't because of Marners' talent and skill
- winsix

They should, and in a heartbeat if at all possible.

Don't you know that white crystal cookin'll kill you faster than a bullet? That ain't good for nothin but a hippy when he's high on weed.
- Zezel

that's me 24/7

that's me 24/7
- 21peter

Lol

Yeah...that used to be me. Puff one for me!

that was my thought as well but i was corrected - cant buy out ceci.
apparently can only buy out players that are on your roster before last trade deadline
- MaximusAurelius

Which is why marleau was traded to Carolina and bought out on July 1?

Can't buy out ceci because the window has closed and next window doesn't open unless you have a arb case (which the leafs don't have )

No way a sheet is happening. Marner wants to a Leaf, this is just negotation bullpoop. He's not gonna sign the prime of his career over to some poop team, and no team is going to give up four firsts for a short term deal. It doesn't make any sense. Marner's not going to sit in a bad situation somewhere on a gutted team while back home his family is watching his old buddy Matthews win the Cup.

I don't think a team is going to offer sheet just to force a match and turn the screws on Toronto's cap either, because then they have MLSE and their financial weight on a vendetta against them for eternity for no reason.
- Zezel

I think it ends up being a shorter term deal so he can cash in after new tv deal and expansion raises the cap.

that was my thought as well but i was corrected - cant buy out ceci.
apparently can only buy out players that are on your roster before last trade deadline
- MaximusAurelius

That's not right, Marleau was traded for and bought out.

Lol

Yeah...that used to be me. Puff one for me!
- Zezel

haven't smoked one in 20 years - did plenty before that though

Which is why marleau was traded to Carolina and bought out on July 1?

Can't buy out ceci because the window has closed and next window doesn't open unless you have a arb case (which the leafs don't have )
- burn

Is cap friendly buyout calculator wrong then? If you plug in say July 20 as buyout date, returns $750K for this season and next.

Is cap friendly buyout calculator wrong then? If you plug in say July 20 as buyout date, returns $750K for this season and next.
- winsix

I think it's just telling you what the buyout is, not determining if you can or not.

That cant be accurate considering Marleau will be bought out by the canes.
- Archaic

yes.. you are right.
so unless it is a rule for newly signed contracts (not sure if it was that) then leafs should be able to buy out ceci after all )
(since he himself filed for arbitration)

Which is why marleau was traded to Carolina and bought out on July 1?

Can't buy out ceci because the window has closed and next window doesn't open unless you have a arb case (which the leafs don't have )
- burn

i am not sure whether the rule is whether a team had an actual arbitration case, or whether they had a player filing for arb (like ceci).

Is cap friendly buyout calculator wrong then? If you plug in say July 20 as buyout date, returns $750K for this season and next.
- winsix

No that would be what it is if the leafs had a second buy out window. But they don’t. You only get it if you have someone going to arbitration I believe.

I think it's just telling you what the buyout is, not determining if you can or not.
- burn

but there's a date required to get the result and August 31 is the last date you can select.

i am not sure whether the rule is whether a team had an actual arbitration case, or whether they had a player filing for arb (like ceci).
- MaximusAurelius

I think you actually have to go to arb.

That's insane. There's no way anyone is dumb enough to give Hainsey $3.5m
- Monkeypunk

it was pretty shocking....

but good for Hainsey... he needs to maximize funds at this point in his career... and this way he knows he won't be playing any playoff games.

only risk is Senturds going financially into the toilet during the season... clearly they're running that franchise like a KHL franchise - "Can't pay players salaries"

i am not sure whether the rule is whether a team had an actual arbitration case, or whether they had a player filing for arb (like ceci).
- MaximusAurelius

According to this, ceci didn't file for arb.

https://www.nhl.com/news/...y-arbitration/c-308197820

I think you actually have to go to arb.
- burn

That doesn't make sense either, seeing as you can buy anyone out.

but there's a date required to get the result and August 31 is the last date you can select.
- winsix

Did it ask you if the team had any arb cases to know whether they're eligible or not?

Aug 31 is probably just the last date for arb

I think it ends up being a shorter term deal so he can cash in after new tv deal and expansion raises the cap.
- burn

Agreed.

That doesn't make sense either, seeing as you can buy anyone out.
- bobbyisno1

How does it not make sense? What does "you can buy anyone out" mean to this?

I didn't say that you have to go to arb and only buy that guy out. Going to arb opens second window, then you can buyout anyone.

From capgeek:

Buyouts Outside of the Regular Period
Clubs whom have 1 or more arbitration filings may be permitted to perform a buyout outside of the regular window. This gives teams another opportunity to become cap compliant following an arbitration case.

Clubs are permitted to perform a buyout outside the regular period during the 48 hour period beginning on the third day after the final of [CBA 13(c)ii]:
Settlement of the Club's final arbitration case, or
Receipt of the Club's last arbitration award

How does it not make sense? What does "you can buy anyone out" mean to this?

I did say that you have to go to arb and only buy that guy out. Going to arb opens second window, then you can buyout anyone.
- burn

Do they have to go or do they have to be eligible?

From capgeek:

Buyouts Outside of the Regular Period
Clubs whom have 1 or more arbitration filings may be permitted to perform a buyout outside of the regular window. This gives teams another opportunity to become cap compliant following an arbitration case.

Clubs are permitted to perform a buyout outside the regular period during the 48 hour period beginning on the third day after the final of
- burn[CBA 13(c)ii]:
Settlement of the Club's final arbitration case, or
Receipt of the Club's last arbitration award

Well that answers that.

Did it ask you if the team had any arb cases to know whether they're eligible or not?

Aug 31 is probably just the last date for arb
- burn

According to this, arbitration filing only triggers a buyout window outside the regular buyout period. Have a look

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-faq