didn't take long for fans to start turning on marner, nylander and matthews...even i'm starting to get tired of their act already.

Really?

Bummer.
- Scabeh

Scabeh: Have you seen the recapture penalty for Weber when he retires? His salary goes down to $3 million for 2022 and then $1 million for the last three years. No way he plays IMO. He's been used to getting $10M or more for some time.

The buyout (Nashville recapture) is about $29 million total cap hit, $5.3, $7.3 for three years and $500K for 4 years - Holy (frank) - Nashville is going to get it up the hoop.

I would franking love it if Marner signed an offer sheet with Columbus.

That club has been completely stripped down. They pushed all their chips to the table and lost.

Marner would be playing by himself for the next 4 years.

Hello lottery picks.

Of course, Marner's camp realizes this - no way in hell they sign with Columbus.

It's a very complicated formula, but it has nothing to do with the up front bonus. It has to do with Average Salary, Term, days remaining in the current season. There are two calculations:

AAV for years 2+ is: (Salary * Days Remaining / Days in Schedule+(Salary+(Term-1)))/Term.

AAV for year 1 is: (AAV for years 2+)* Days in Schedule/Days remaining.

For Nylander, Salary is 7.3, he signed on December 1 for 7 years.

(7.3 * 127/186+(7.3*(7-1)))/7 = 6.96


6.96*186/127 = 10.19
- Monkeypunk

Yes correct. Prorated based on the value of the contract. No player options - and its not complicated. Very straight forward.

I would franking love it if Marner signed an offer sheet with Columbus.

That club has been completely stripped down. They pushed all their chips to the table and lost.

Marner would be playing by himself for the next 4 years.

Hello lottery picks.

Of course, Marner's camp realizes this - no way in hell they sign with Columbus.
- Atomic Wedgie

I agree, with that team and that goaltending Kaposucko as their #1 goalie, they are not a playoff team.

Scabeh: Have you seen the recapture penalty for Weber when he retires? His salary goes down to $3 million for 2022 and then $1 million for the last three years. No way he plays IMO. He's been used to getting $10M or more for some time.

The buyout (Nashville recapture) is about $29 million total cap hit, $5.3, $7.3 for three years and $500K for 4 years - Holy (frank) - Nashville is going to get it up the hoop.
- winsix

Basically Nashville has to trade for him at some point, so they can put him in Robidas Island.

If I was in their division, I'd trade for Weber and make the Preds suffer.

No offer sheets Mike, none in 6 years. Never going to happen, can’t wait to make fun of the media when zero offer sheets happen.

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No offer sheets Mike, none in 6 years. Never going to happen, can’t wait to make fun of the media when zero offer sheets happen.

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- Garnie

Aho got an offer sheet.

Again that is for the player, leafs keep their entire cap room the entire year, if they don't use it.
- bobbyisno1

I don't know what this means.

If the Leafs don't sign Marner, they keep the cap space?

That's sort of self-evident, so I suspect you mean something else.

Aho got an offer sheet.
- Atomic Wedgie

Basically Nashville has to trade for him at some point, so they can put him in Robidas Island.

If I was in their division, I'd trade for Weber and make the Preds suffer.
- Atomic Wedgie

I doubt they will get away with it. NHL punished the sh!t out of Vancouver for Luongo and they are licking their chops at the thought of dealing with the Weber contract.

Yes correct. Prorated based on the value of the contract. No player options - and its not complicated. Very straight forward.
- winsix

Again that's only the players teams cap space stays the same through out the year.

I doubt they will get away with it. NHL punished the sh!t out of Vancouver for Luongo and they are licking their chops at the thought of dealing with the Weber contract.
- winsix

It's such BS, though. I have great sympathy for Nashville.

Philly created the contract. The NHL approved the contract, saying it was valid - and there was no such thing as a back-diving contract penalty.

Nashville matches the offer.

Then a few years later, the NHL institutes a new rule - that will punish Nashville for matching an offer on a contract the NHL approved.

Like, WTF?

Again that's only the players teams cap space stays the same through out the year.
- bobbyisno1

How can a player's cap hit change, but not the team's cap hit?

I don't know what this means.

If the Leafs don't sign Marner, they keep the cap space?

That's sort of self-evident, so I suspect you mean something else.
- Monkeypunk

Well someone was saying if the Marner talks go into the season the leafs won't have the cap space for him and I called hogwash cause the Leafs will still have the same cap space.

30 other teams contemplated an offer sheet and then didn't have the balls to follow through with it is my guess

Media is now trying to cover their tracks with "well it was close, but didn't happen"

How can a player's cap hit change, but not the team's cap hit?
- Atomic Wedgie

It can't on a signing, but on a trade the cap hit goes down depending on the games they have played.

It's such BS, though. I have great sympathy for Nashville.

Philly created the contract. The NHL approved the contract, saying it was valid - and there was no such thing as a back-diving contract penalty.

Nashville matches the offer.

Then a few years later, the NHL institutes a new rule - that will punish Nashville for matching an offer on a contract the NHL approved.

Like, WTF?
- Atomic Wedgie

This is the same NHL that handed down a punishment to the Devils for salary cap circumvention and then reneged on half of the punishment.

How can a player's cap hit change, but not the team's cap hit?
- Atomic Wedgie

The cap space not used never gets pro-rated.. get it

Well someone was saying if the Marner talks go into the season the leafs won't have the cap space for him and I called hogwash cause the Leafs will still have the same cap space.
- bobbyisno1

Let's say the Leafs have $10.5m in cap space available.

If they sign Marner to a 5 year $10m contract right now, there's no big deal.

If they sign Marner to a 5 year $10m contract on November 1st, they can't fit him in, because his year 1 Cap Hit would be $11.47m. His cap hit in years 2-5 would be $9.69m.

You're right that the cap amount affecting a player - who is signed - decreases as the year goes on, because the player is basically "paid" on a daily basis in terms of salary cap considerations. But when a player signs after the season starts, they use the formula I posed above to determine what the salary cap for year 1 is going to be, and the cap going forward in years 2 and onwards will be.

It's such BS, though. I have great sympathy for Nashville.

Philly created the contract. The NHL approved the contract, saying it was valid - and there was no such thing as a back-diving contract penalty.

Nashville matches the offer.

Then a few years later, the NHL institutes a new rule - that will punish Nashville for matching an offer on a contract the NHL approved.

Like, WTF?
- Atomic Wedgie

Absolutely true, Philly should get the penalty for sure.

leafs trade unsigned prospect dakota joshua to the blues for futures.

https://www.tsn.ca/toront...-considerations-1.1336565

leafs trade unsigned prospect dakota joshua to the blues for futures.

https://www.tsn.ca/toront...-considerations-1.1336565
- Bob_Zuruncle

That sucks they gave him away

That sucks they gave him away
- winsix

I don't think we should be worried. Kids numbers have been meh. Just pretend he's Trevor moore

Right now with open cap space and Hortons contract going to LTIR there is just over 9MM in cap space.

Also there is 13 forwards and 8 D on the roster. Not all of them will be with the big club come the start of the season. That opens up another 1.5 - 3 MM.

They've got the space to get Marner signed to a good contract
- lonnyBohonos

Forgot about Horton, capfriendly showed you guys with only 3 million