What did you see in his highlights that led you to say that he’s okay?
- Chunk

I watched a few Denver games last year, to me, he was the best D skater on the ice.

Really fast, moved the puck, played strong for his size.

Understand the NHL isn't the NCAA but I've always thought he was going to be top 4 guy in the league.

I'm not a scout though, just a fan.............

I watched a few Denver games last year, to me, he was the best D skater on the ice.

Really fast, moved the puck, played strong for his size.

Understand the NHL isn't the NCAA but I've always thought he was going to be top 4 guy in the league.

I'm not a scout though, just a fan.............
- vabeachbear

I hope your right, I'm definitely not a scout either. I'm actually more excited to see Boqvist and how he translates to the AHL. Curious to see what Nylander brings to the team.

Carpenter, Kubalik, maybe Nylander, Shaw (to a Colliton team), de Haan, Maatta - others, perhaps - a lot of newcomers coming in.

Colliton has a lot of work to do the summer and fall.

Meh.

He’s young enough that they probably shouldn’t just let him go, but he’s really not shown anything that makes me think he’s worth more than whatever his minimum Qualifying Offer would pay him.

Stand firm and don’t overpay for a guy who had one good 10-game stretch and was invisible the rest of the time.
- Ogilthorpe2

Yeah I agree, his QO expires tomorrow, I’d say after tomorrow he can sign for the league minimum or go pound sand.

I hope your right, I'm definitely not a scout either. I'm actually more excited to see Boqvist and how he translates to the AHL. Curious to see what Nylander brings to the team.
- BetweenTheDots[/quote]


He'll bring some decent offence.... to Rockford.

Carpenter, Kubalik, maybe Nylander, Shaw (to a Colliton team), de Haan, Maatta - others, perhaps - a lot of newcomers coming in.

Colliton has a lot of work to do the summer and fall.
- StLBravesFan

Well, we can't (shouldn't) be any worse than last year. A full training camp figuring out his defensive scheme, the players figuring out how to play D again (red font), and some good bonding/chemistry between the new and old players. And the sting of being crappy for the last few years should light a fire under their butts!

We've all been spoiled by these Cups. Then we've crapped the bed lately and on top of it, I almost can't say it, the blows just won it. Ugh! This insanity has to stop! This is the year they turn it around.

Well, we can't (shouldn't) be any worse than last year. A full training camp figuring out his defensive scheme, the players figuring out how to play D again (red font), and some good bonding/chemistry between the new and old players. And the sting of being crappy for the last few years should light a fire under their butts!

We've all been spoiled by these Cups. Then we've crapped the bed lately and on top of it, I almost can't say it, the blows just won it. Ugh! This insanity has to stop! This is the year they turn it around.
- Matt_Foleys_bro

I think it depends on your age, where i feel I've been rewarded to 3 cups, if your in your teens or twenties maybe even your thirties i might agree but for any of us older folks i can tell you how precious they are, before during and after.

I think it depends on your age, where i feel I've been rewarded to 3 cups, if your in your teens or twenties maybe even your thirties i might agree but for any of us older folks i can tell you how precious they are, before during and after.
- BetweenTheDots

Amen. They won a cup before I turned 1 year old, then I was almost 50 by the time Game 6 versus Philly came along!!

https://chicago.suntimes....brian-campbell-mark-eaton

Chicago Tribune article about how player development personnel Mark Eaton and Brian Campbell are working with the D prospects. A few key excerpts:

For the first time ever, nearly a dozen of the team’s top prospects are staying in Chicago for an additional two weeks after development camp to work more closely with the team’s staff. Boqvist, Beaudin and Krys will be among the attendees.

“We thought it would be good for them to spend an extra week around our strength and conditioning staff, because those are the guys they’ll be surrounded by in their pro careers going forward,” Eaton said. “[They’ll be] learning the off-ice training element of things.”

Campbell, Eaton and Barry Smith, the Hawks’ player evaluation director, have visited each top prospect regularly and sent them videos with advice. Their feedback was largely recyclable between prospects: get more physical, use your stick more, improve your cap control and positioning.

Yeah I agree, his QO expires tomorrow, I’d say after tomorrow he can sign for the league minimum or go pound sand.
- walleyeb1

I heard that is a new strategy that GM's are using (I believe I heard it on Sports Net), letting RFA's become UFA's and then signing them at league minimum.... Because think about it, if a GM did tender Perlini an offer sheet there would be no compensation - and that didn't happen - so not tendering Perlini a QO and letting him become a UFA makes perfect sense because instead of signing him for 1.25, Bowman can now sign him for 750k..... And it's also better for the player (Perlini in this case) because if they sign for league minimum and go on to have a fantastic season, then they have more leverage next season because they will be UFA's... So in the end this could really payoff well for both teams... Perlini wont be locked down for 2-3 years at 1.25 and if he puts up 40-50 points this season he could then demand 2.5 or 3 per next season on a longer-term deal...

So yea this is a smart move by both sides, Bowman doesn't want to pay 1.25 per and Perlini wants UFA status.... I would say it's more of a risk on Perlini's part because if he gets injured then that could be a problem, but if he does well he can make demands and make much more as a UFA and will have bargaining power next summer....

So yea, I would expect Perlini to be resigned shortly as a UFA to a 1-year "show me" deal at league minimum...

Also, you have to remember, RFA's get bonuses so had Perlini been Qualified and he hits bonuses his cap hit could be significantly higher than it would be if he's a UFA signed at league minimum..

That is my take on the Perlini situation...

I hope your right, I'm definitely not a scout either. I'm actually more excited to see Boqvist and how he translates to the AHL. Curious to see what Nylander brings to the team.
- BetweenTheDots

Well, I think the Hawks believe Boqvist will be the next Keith, Maatta the next Seabrook/Hjalmarsson, Mitchell being the next Oduya, Beaudin being the next TVR etc..

Still kinda baffled by the Joker/Nylander trade tho... Maybe the were super high on Nylander and the Hawks new they had a tremendous and talented logjam on defense and figured if they can get Nylander though dealing from a position of strength it was worth it....

I mean I know where a player was drafted means little a few years down the road but Nylander was an 8th overall pick, Joker was 29th overall.... Of course that's certainly not the main reason the trade happened but if you look at it from that position maybe Nylander in the right system has the higher ceiling than Joker and the scouts really feel Nylander can reach that potential playing on a roster with Toews, Kane, DeBrincat, Strome, Saad etc....

Sometimes players really need to play with other player that are on their "level" to really succeed at the NHL level..

I heard that is a new strategy that GM's are using (I believe I heard it on Sports Net), letting RFA's become UFA's and then signing them at league minimum.... Because think about it, if a GM did tender Perlini an offer sheet there would be no compensation - and that didn't happen - so not tendering Perlini a QO and letting him become a UFA makes perfect sense because instead of signing him for 1.25, Bowman can now sign him for 750k..... And it's also better for the player (Perlini in this case) because if they sign for league minimum and go on to have a fantastic season, then they have more leverage next season because they will be UFA's... So in the end this could really payoff well for both teams... Perlini wont be locked down for 2-3 years at 1.25 and if he puts up 40-50 points this season he could then demand 2.5 or 3 per next season on a longer-term deal...

So yea this is a smart move by both sides, Bowman doesn't want to pay 1.25 per and Perlini wants UFA status.... I would say it's more of a risk on Perlini's part because if he gets injured then that could be a problem, but if he does well he can make demands and make much more as a UFA and will have bargaining power next summer....

So yea, I would expect Perlini to be resigned shortly as a UFA to a 1-year "show me" deal at league minimum...

Also, you have to remember, RFA's get bonuses so had Perlini been Qualified and he hits bonuses his cap hit could be significantly higher than it would be if he's a UFA signed at league minimum..

That is my take on the Perlini situation...
- Savard2Secord

RFA are not eligible for bonuses. Only two types of contract are permitted to have bonus clauses. ELCs and Over35 contracts.

I am answering your post from pages back...
I was talking about the loophole in the collective bargaining agreement that allows the kids who choose college to become free agents after Aug 15th of the their senior year.

I am not sure it can be closed....
- wiz1901





I am NOT sure it is part of thewagreement, the loophole was legal action,


To those that aren’t yet familiar, August 15th is a specific date established within the NHL’s Collective Bargaining Agreement. Under certain circumstances within the CBA, after this date is when drafted prospects playing in the NCAA are able to evade the NHL team that originally selected them and hit the open free agency market.
Players drafted out of college have their rights retained by their drafting teams for four years, after which time – if a deal is not reached – they can become unrestricted free agents. That affords NCAA players a desirable route to choosing the club with which they may start their career – an option not given to young players coming out of major junior hockey.

Plenty of college players have utilized this option in recent years, most notably Pittsburgh Penguins defender Justin Schultz, who walked away from the Anaheim Ducks before signing with the Edmonton Oilers in 2012.
Kevin Hayes did this in 2014, signing with the New York Rangers on August 20th of that year after being initially chosen by the Chicago Blackhawks in 2010. Jimmy Vesey did it in 2016, also signing with the Rangers on the day of August 20th, despite being chosen by the Nashville Predators in 2012.

The new collective bargaining agreement that will govern NHL-NHLPA CBA matters for the next decade is out for your viewing pleasure (get it from the NHLPA here, or direct PDF link here). The infamous "loophole" for draft picks who leave college early appears to have ... well not quite closed, but it's been clarified and addressed a little bit.

Call it the "Blake Wheeler Loophole," or for Islanders fans it could have been the Anders Lee Loophole before the Notre Dame star signed this past spring. Whatever you call it, the new CBA has much more clarity and limits how a draft pick can get most of a college education and then declare himself open to any bidder heading into free agency the fourth summer after he's drafted.

(Mind you, an NCAA-enrolled prospect can still decline to sign with his drafting team, just as any junior player or European player in a transfer agreement country can decline to sign after two years. But the incentive for a serious degree-seeking college student to do so is now even smaller.)

ew CBA: The same, but slightly different

The rule in (iii) -- for traditional college players who do not play in the USHL after being drafted -- remains the same in the new CBA. But here is how the new CBA treats the next section (emphasis and line breaks mine, in a futile attempt at clarity):

8.6 (c) (iv)

If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19, who had received a Bona Fide Offer in accordance with Section 8.6(a)(ii) above, becomes a bona fide college student prior to the second June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft and does not remain a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive rights for the negotiation of his services until the later of:

(a) the fourth June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft,

or (b) thirty (30) days after NHL Central Registry receives notice that the Player is no longer a bona fide college student;

provided that **IF** the Player ceases to be a bona fide college student on or after January 1 of an academic year and the Player:

(1) is in his fourth year of college and has commenced his fourth year of NCAA eligibility,

or (2) is in his fourth year of college and is scheduled to graduate from college at the end of his fourth year, then in the circumstances described in (1) or (2), the Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for such Player's services through and including the August 15 following the date on which he ceases to be a bona fide college student.
(The 30 days point is interesting, because you used to hear media refer to a 30-day notice under the old CBA, but that was not actually in the CBA. If it was a rule before, it wasn't written in the published document.)

Anyway, if I'm reading this right -- and Bossy knows that's always iffy when dealing with CBA-ese -- the CBA ensures that if a prospect legitimately wants to leave college in his third college year (if he did a post-draft USHL year, thus making his third college year his "fourth" June 1) -- or even in his fourth year if he quits college before January 1 -- to start his career, he can still do so and, if not signed by his drafting club by June 1, he is free to shop his services.
- wiz1901

In all sports, the guys that are Players Union members routinely throw guys that aren’t members (in the case of the NHL, college players) under the bus. NBA did it with the age limit, NFL has done it numerous times.

If the GMs want to close the 4 year college loophole, they’re going to have to give something of value to the Union.

RFA are not eligible for bonuses. Only two types of contract are permitted to have bonus clauses. ELCs and Over35 contracts.
- Elbows15

Still tho, allowing Perlini become a UFA still makes sense when the Hawks can get him re-signed for far below what it would cost to qualify him... And like I said it works out for both Bowman/Hawks and Perlini because the Hawks can get him at league minimum, and if Perlini has a great year - he's a UFA and will have negotiating power next summer instead of being locked down for another 2 years at 1.25 - then or if he has a great season he could ask 2.5 or 3 if he has a 40-50 point season.

Also, you have to remember the cap will be going up significantly with the new TV deal and more league revenue generated by Seattle, so a lot of these RFA's want short term deals, because they will get much more in a few years.... But I totally understand Bowman's plan with Perlini - he sees an opportunity to get him at league minimum this season, and if he plays well he will get a "significant" raise next season...

And Perlini hasn't earned a 2.5M per contract just yet so, and he's not getting an offer sheet, so the best course of action here from a cap/financial perspective is to allow Perlini to go UFA, then give him a league minimum contract, see how he does, if he can earn himself a long-term roster spot then I'm sure Bowman will give him a 3-4 year deal...

Still tho, allowing Perlini become a UFA still makes sense when the Hawks can get him re-signed for far below what it would cost to qualify him... And like I said it works out for both Bowman/Hawks and Perlini because the Hawks can get him at league minimum, and if Perlini has a great year - he's a UFA and will have negotiating power next summer instead of being locked down for another 2 years at 1.25 - then or if he has a great season he could ask 2.5 or 3 if he has a 40-50 point season.

Also, you have to remember the cap will be going up significantly with the new TV deal and more league revenue generated by Seattle, so a lot of these RFA's want short term deals, because they will get much more in a few years.... But I totally understand Bowman's plan with Perlini - he sees an opportunity to get him at league minimum this season, and if he plays well he will get a "significant" raise next season...

And Perlini hasn't earned a 2.5M per contract just yet so, and he's not getting an offer sheet, so the best course of action here from a cap/financial perspective is to allow Perlini to go UFA, then give him a league minimum contract, see how he does, if he can earn himself a long-term roster spot then I'm sure Bowman will give him a 3-4 year deal...
- Savard2Secord

I thought Perlini did receive a QO. If he doesn't sign it by the deadline (July 15?), I don't think he becomes a UFA. He stays a RFA but he can negotiate offer sheets from other teams in which case the Hawks match or take the draft pick compensation. If no offer sheets and not signed by Dec. 1 he sits out the year.

Kampf on the other hand,did not receive a QO, became a UFA and then signed with the Hawks anyway.

I heard that is a new strategy that GM's are using (I believe I heard it on Sports Net), letting RFA's become UFA's and then signing them at league minimum.... Because think about it, if a GM did tender Perlini an offer sheet there would be no compensation - and that didn't happen - so not tendering Perlini a QO and letting him become a UFA makes perfect sense because instead of signing him for 1.25, Bowman can now sign him for 750k..... And it's also better for the player (Perlini in this case) because if they sign for league minimum and go on to have a fantastic season, then they have more leverage next season because they will be UFA's... So in the end this could really payoff well for both teams... Perlini wont be locked down for 2-3 years at 1.25 and if he puts up 40-50 points this season he could then demand 2.5 or 3 per next season on a longer-term deal...

So yea this is a smart move by both sides, Bowman doesn't want to pay 1.25 per and Perlini wants UFA status.... I would say it's more of a risk on Perlini's part because if he gets injured then that could be a problem, but if he does well he can make demands and make much more as a UFA and will have bargaining power next summer....

So yea, I would expect Perlini to be resigned shortly as a UFA to a 1-year "show me" deal at league minimum...

Also, you have to remember, RFA's get bonuses so had Perlini been Qualified and he hits bonuses his cap hit could be significantly higher than it would be if he's a UFA signed at league minimum..

That is my take on the Perlini situation...
- Savard2Secord

Actually Perlini is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He’s an RFA he can either sign with us or not.

I thought Perlini did receive a QO. If he doesn't sign it by the deadline (July 15?), I don't think he becomes a UFA. He stays a RFA but he can negotiate offer sheets from other teams in which case the Hawks match or take the draft pick compensation. If no offer sheets and not signed by Dec. 1 he sits out the year.

Kampf on the other hand,did not receive a QO, became a UFA and then signed with the Hawks anyway.
- boilermaker100

I don't think Perlini did, I know Sikura and Quinneville did, so maybe you're confusing Perlini with Sikura.

Actually Perlini is stuck between a rock and a hard place. He’s an RFA he can either sign with us or not.
- walleyeb1

No, he becomes a UFA on July, 15th (tomorrow)...

Wait ... what? Perlini wasn't tendered a QO so he becomes a UFA tomorrow? Tell me that is not true.

Wait ... what? Perlini wasn't tendered a QO so he becomes a UFA tomorrow? Tell me that is not true.
- EbonyRaptor

That’s wrong, he was tendered a QO which expires tomorrow, it doesn’t effect his RFA status.

Wait ... what? Perlini wasn't tendered a QO so he becomes a UFA tomorrow? Tell me that is not true.
- EbonyRaptor

Per the Sun Times, Perlini got a qualifying offer from the Hawks back in June. Whether he and the Hawks end up agreeing to terms is another matter...

Wait ... what? Perlini wasn't tendered a QO so he becomes a UFA tomorrow? Tell me that is not true.
- EbonyRaptor

Fake news

Per the Sun Times, Perlini got a qualifying offer from the Hawks back in June. Whether he and the Hawks end up agreeing to terms is another matter...
- Davewn

And per cap friendly he stayed a RFA when he received the QO. If he didn't receive a QO he would have become a UFA like Kampf did.

I don't think Perlini did, I know Sikura and Quinneville did, so maybe you're confusing Perlini with Sikura.
- Savard2Secord

No I think you're confusing Perlini with Kampf.

I think it depends on your age, where i feel I've been rewarded to 3 cups, if your in your teens or twenties maybe even your thirties i might agree but for any of us older folks i can tell you how precious they are, before during and after.
- BetweenTheDots

I'm of the older folks crowd. I absolutely understand your statement. Rewarded is right for all these years. It's been slim pickins' for too many of them. Some chances at glory, but always fell short. I was referring to being able to finally put a annual contender out there and reap the rewards. Based on the last 10 years, I just want more, hence the spoiled statement. Cheers!