One of my favorite Flyers moments of my childhood was seeing Lindros absolutely destroy Ulanov in Game 6. If Jason Wiemer hadn't jumped in, that could have gotten really bad. - jmatchett383
That whole era was great! I remember Lindros looking like a heat seeking missile honing in a Devil player behind the net. Dude went crashing down and needed help off the ice. It was a body check, but today it’s boarding.
I think players turn on purpose to draw the checking from behind penalty in today’s NHL. Problem is, in doing so, they leave themselves vulnerable to serious injury.
Bottom line, it’s just not the same, and I think you and I agree we’re not advocating gooning it up just to see fights, but just bring back the hate, the hitting, and making Richards pay for the cheap stuff! That was great hockey!!
That may be true about Haag but you're conflating two different things. Competition for ice time between a 32 year old player and a young player and competition for ice time between two young players are very different things. They've already invested in Haag, why not invest more in him and see if he can be a cost controlled effective 3rd pair defenseman for 5 years or so. Or more. - MJL
I see your point, but I'm a person that likes try-outs and the best player on the ice at that time, not ice time for the best player in 5 years. But hey, that's just me I suppose. I hear your point. Coaches want to win - job security. We'll see how it all pans out though.
The Flyers have always been loyal to their ex players, especially those from the Broad Street Bully days. The Flyers haven't won a cup in 40 years, so maybe it's time for outside blood to take over the program? I do like the fact that the Flyers got rid of their bench coaches and replaced them with ex-NHL Head Coaches. Hopefully they can get the Flyers to play hard for 60 minutes a game, instead of sleep walking the first 20-30 minutes each game? Right now the ball is is in Fletcher's court, so let's see what he can do with it?
The Flyers have a bunch of players that know what to do with the puck on their sticks, but they seemed lost and out of position too often w/o the puck. Hopefully the new coaches can work on this?
I see your point, but I'm a person that likes try-outs and the best player on the ice at that time, not ice time for the best player in 5 years. But hey, that's just me I suppose. I hear your point. Coaches want to win - job security. We'll see how it all pans out though. - RustyPipes
It's a valid point that is hard to argue against. Why not trade Patrick, Konecny, or any other player for older players that are currently better players? Do you think that Braun moves the bar for the team and makes them a cup contender? The Flyers made themselves better but how much better? What's the goal?
The Flyers have always been loyal to their ex players, especially those from the Broad Street Bully days. The Flyers haven't won a cup in 40 years, so maybe it's time for outside blood to take over the program? I do like the fact that the Flyers got rid of their bench coaches and replaced them with ex-NHL Head Coaches. Hopefully they can get the Flyers to play hard for 60 minutes a game, instead of sleep walking the first 20-30 minutes each game? Right now the ball is is in Fletcher's court, so let's see what he can do with it?
The Flyers have a bunch of players that know what to do with the puck on their sticks, but they seemed lost and out of position too often w/o the puck. Hopefully the new coaches can work on this? - Thors-Hammer
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Jul 12 @ 12:14 PM ET
That whole era was great! I remember Lindros looking like a heat seeking missile honing in a Devil player behind the net. Dude went crashing down and needed help off the ice. It was a body check, but today it’s boarding.
I think players turn on purpose to draw the checking from behind penalty in today’s NHL. Problem is, in doing so, they leave themselves vulnerable to serious injury.
Bottom line, it’s just not the same, and I think you and I agree we’re not advocating gooning it up just to see fights, but just bring back the hate, the hitting, and making Richards pay for the cheap stuff! That was great hockey!! - Hokeeguy9
I THINK you may be referring to Andreas Dackell of the Senators.
It's a valid point that is hard to argue against. Why not trade Patrick, Konecny, or any other player for older players that are currently better players? Do you think that Braun moves the bar for the team and makes them a cup contender? The Flyers made themselves better but how much better? What's the goal? - MJL
Well, anyone can argue against it. You know that you can't trade Patrick or Konecny for better players because you need two to make a trade and the price point is another issue - not a good point. All I was saying is that if you already have players on your team, then you should play the best player in that position. Do you want to put lesser players on the ice just to give them experience? How much experience? When is does a player have enough experience to realize, 'Hey this is all he is going to be'? Coaches will do the right thing to win the games. If Braun is in the starting rotation when the season starts it is for a reason. If he is replaced during the season, it is for a reason. You used to argue that MacDonald should be a starting Dman, but he was standing in the way of other players - I don't get your shifting ideals.
It's a valid point that is hard to argue against. Why not trade Patrick, Konecny, or any other player for older players that are currently better players? Do you think that Braun moves the bar for the team and makes them a cup contender? The Flyers made themselves better but how much better? What's the goal? - MJL
I think we know what the goal is. Dave Scott has been very clear.
I also know that was probably a rhetorical question.
I think we know what they are doing. They brought in Braun to play on the 2nd pairing. - MJL
we shall see....
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Jul 12 @ 12:34 PM ET
That may be true about Haag but you're conflating two different things. Competition for ice time between a 32 year old player and a young player and competition for ice time between two young players are very different things. They've already invested in Haag, why not invest more in him and see if he can be a cost controlled effective 3rd pair defenseman for 5 years or so. Or more. - MJL
right or wrong they see Braun as a 4th D, not a bottom pairing. You are right on Hagg, he is a 3rd pairing.
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There are pros and cons with bringing on a player like Braun in the contract situation he is on. Having veteran players to support younger players is valuable. It can help and aid in their development. That's a plus. A con is that the veteran player is going to be taking ice time away from a younger player that is more a part of the future of the team. What happens if Braun has a strong year? To re-sign him, what will he want and for how many years? If you don't bring him back, who takes his place? You've now wasted a year of development time where you could've had a younger player in that spot getting more ice time. - MJL
yeah, all true points. who is that young player that you speak of, outside of it being just a generalization? The only spot Braun is taking from a young kid are Hagg and Morin. Me personally, I think I've seen all of what Hagg is, and I would rather have Braun play a year with Sanheim as a stabilizer to allow Sanheim to be the player he is.
That being said, I was hopeful that Morin was ready for a spot this year, and to your point then yes Braun blocks him and takes a year away from his development. I would much rather see what Morin can do than to see what I already know Hagg is, an average bottom pairing guy. Morin's potential alone, which we haven't really seen any of yet, is more intriguing to me than seeing what I anticipate as the ceiling for Hagg. Not that Hagg is a bad defenseman, he just doesn't do much for me.
My opinion is that the Braun trade was made for the simple fact he's a veteran, he's good in his own end, can help the PK, and he can teach a lot to the youth. Not only on the ice, but off the ice. And after this year, I would hope one of Morin, Friedman, a dark horse like York if he progresses that way after one year in the NCAA, or Zemula if she shocks the world, can be put into that spot. But obviously mostly Morin.
Can't argue the future looks bright in terms of our system and the talent within
wcorvette Season Ticket Holder Philadelphia Flyers
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Jul 12 @ 12:54 PM ET
yeah, all true points. who is that young player that you speak of, outside of it being just a generalization? The only spot Braun is taking from a young kid are Hagg and Morin. Me personally, I think I've seen all of what Hagg is, and I would rather have Braun play a year with Sanheim as a stabilizer to allow Sanheim to be the player he is.
That being said, I was hopeful that Morin was ready for a spot this year, and to your point then yes Braun blocks him and takes a year away from his development. I would much rather see what Morin can do than to see what I already know Hagg is, an average bottom pairing guy. Morin's potential alone, which we haven't really seen any of yet, is more intriguing to me than seeing what I anticipate as the ceiling for Hagg. Not that Hagg is a bad defenseman, he just doesn't do much for me.
My opinion is that the Braun trade was made for the simple fact he's a veteran, he's good in his own end, can help the PK, and he can teach a lot to the youth. Not only on the ice, but off the ice. And after this year, I would hope one of Morin, Friedman, a dark horse like York if he progresses that way after one year in the NCAA, or Zemula if she shocks the world, can be put into that spot. But obviously mostly Morin.
Can't argue the future looks bright in terms of our system and the talent within - sjk540
so if Sanheim has to play with a Hagg or Morin, does that slow his growth over playing with a vet like Braun?
so if Sanheim has to play with a Hagg or Morin, does that slow his growth over playing with a vet like Braun? - wcorvette
I think to an extent yes it does. Same thing when AMac was placed with guys, it would bring them down. Allowing Sanheim to be the dman he is, can only help his growth. Having a defensive responsible partner, and being on the side he is used to be on (albeit he did do well when being put on his off side), can only help him.
Do i think it would turn him into a bad dman to be placed with either of those 2? No. But I think having to shoulder less of a load and be on a pairing with someone who can compliment his style will help much, much more.
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Jul 12 @ 1:03 PM ET
I think to an extent yes it does. Same thing when AMac was placed with guys, it would bring them down. Allowing Sanheim to be the dman he is, can only help his growth. Having a defensive responsible partner, and being on the side he is used to be on (albeit he did do well when being put on his off side), can only help him.
Do i think it would turn him into a bad dman to be placed with either of those 2? No. But I think having to shoulder less of a load and be on a pairing with someone who can compliment his style will help much, much more. - sjk540
a lot of give and take in the decision to bring Braun in, only time will tell. Plus you have injuries to consider. The last 2 seasons the Flyers starts were horrible, last in the league, not sure they had any choice but to add a couple vets to the D core, FOR THIS SEASON.
That is BS. The coach is going to play the better players. If braun stinks the joint up he wont play. Talent has no age. If the younger player doesnt warrant playing so be it. - daryl stanley
Like Hakstol was playing Lehtera and scratching Lindblom?