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DrunkenCanuck
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto , ON
Joined: 07.14.2009

May 19 @ 5:12 PM ET
Think about Buffs history. Though I wasn't a big Kane fan, throwing his stuff in the shower was a bully move. Who's to say it stops with just Evander Kane? I think the Jets best move is to move the Big Dog and sign Trouba.
- TheUltimateJet



I’d do Nylander and a second for

Dusting Buffets and a First
Rexypoo
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

May 19 @ 5:33 PM ET
In an earlier comment about Ehlers, Rexypoo, you said that points don't matter. So I am going To dismiss the 50 point things you said.

Trouba's biggest gripe has always been that he wants to be the man. The whole I "only play the right side" and want to be main power play guy comes into effect. How is he supposed to be that man if Byfuglien is here. It could also be a reason why Bogosian wanted out of Winnipeg too.

I think if Byfuglien is traded, there is a greater chance that Trouba stays in Winnipeg, especially given his relationship with Copp and Scheifele.

- TheUltimateJet


Points don’t matter, if we’re making an informed evaluation of a player. Rate is infinitely better than counting stats.

You keep ignoring my point of GMs only seeing limited things. Points, hits, size, and reputation are all that matters to your average GM. Once again, perception is reality to these guys.

My point with Ehlers was that he would finish with similar point totals to Drai given the same opportunities Draisaitl has. That’s not me saying they’re equals because points, that’s me saying point totals don’t tell the story
Rexypoo
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

May 19 @ 5:33 PM ET
And what stat should I be looking at to verify this point about Trouba Rexypoo?
- BWJumper


Absolutely anything you want
Rexypoo
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

May 19 @ 5:34 PM ET
Re: Maurice vs the youngsters
Players hated Bowman and Keenan but they won.

- bennythehat


Yeah, but, they were good at actually coaching teams to success.
Maurice is not.
Fairly certain they have more Cup rings between them than Mo has playoff appearances.
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

May 19 @ 5:39 PM ET
Re: Maurice vs the youngsters
Players hated Bowman and Keenan but they won.

- bennythehat

And Hawerchuck hated bob Murdoch, so we trade ducky to appease the coach. Not always a smart move to side with a hated coach
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

May 19 @ 11:28 PM ET
Bowman was lucky. Always stepped into a ready made winning organization. Never had to start with crap.
2.0
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

May 20 @ 10:55 AM ET
Bowman was lucky. Always stepped into a ready made winning organization. Never had to start with crap.
- bennythehat


St. Louis was an expansion team
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 20 @ 11:36 AM ET
Points don’t matter, if we’re making an informed evaluation of a player. Rate is infinitely better than counting stats.

You keep ignoring my point of GMs only seeing limited things. Points, hits, size, and reputation are all that matters to your average GM. Once again, perception is reality to these guys.

My point with Ehlers was that he would finish with similar point totals to Drai given the same opportunities Draisaitl has. That’s not me saying they’re equals because points, that’s me saying point totals don’t tell the story

- Rexypoo

Okay let's play this game again:
Please name all the players that have scored 50/50 playing with Crosby, McDavid, Mackinninon, Ovechkin, Malkin, Stamkos, Giroux, Tavares over the last 10 years.

Thank you and I am looking forward to this answer.
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

May 20 @ 3:35 PM ET
St. Louis was an expansion team
- 2.0


Am well aware of that. St Louis only makes the finals and maybe even the playoffs, because they are in same division as the other 5 expansion teams.
GOOD FORTUNE.
Rexypoo
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

May 20 @ 8:14 PM ET
Okay let's play this game again:
Please name all the players that have scored 50/50 playing with Crosby, McDavid, Mackinninon, Ovechkin, Malkin, Stamkos, Giroux, Tavares over the last 10 years.

Thank you and I am looking forward to this answer.

- TheUltimateJet


This is such a weird reply. I am in no way doubting Draisaitl, or his abilities. I am saying that comparing Nikolaj Ehlers to Leon Draisaitl is a comparison of two players on the same tier, and that while Drai is the better of the two, he is absolutely not a 50/50 player without McDavid. Ehlers is a 30/30 all by himself. My entire argument is that Ehlers is close enough to Draisaitl to make your strange trade offer an overpay. Which is correct.

But since I like the game you’ve put up here, I’ll play it...
Crosby: He had Hossa, but has otherwise made a career out of elevating fringe talent on his wings. No 50/50s.
McDavid: Drai. Only Drai. Only real winger he’s had since Hall and Eberle got axed.
MacKinnon: almost certainly responsible for the meteoric rise of Rantanen, as well as the sudden uptick in Landeskog’s production. No 50/50s here.
Ovechkin: Backstrom hit 101 once. I believe he scored 32 himself, however, so I’m not sure if he counts.
Malkin: *see Crosby*
Stamkos: was a product of Marty St. Louis early on. Then he surpassed him. I’d say these two should count for each other.
Giroux: not comparable, not an elite player.
Tavares: I’d like to see what another year of development can do for the Leafs odds of a 50/50 man with JT.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 20 @ 8:30 PM ET
Points don’t matter, if we’re making an informed evaluation of a player. Rate is infinitely better than counting stats.

You keep ignoring my point of GMs only seeing limited things. Points, hits, size, and reputation are all that matters to your average GM. Once again, perception is reality to these guys.

My point with Ehlers was that he would finish with similar point totals to Drai given the same opportunities Draisaitl has. That’s not me saying they’re equals because points, that’s me saying point totals don’t tell the story

- Rexypoo


So Rexypoo, it seems you don't have any answers for me. As I sit here on my deck enjoying this beautiful day, I thought I would do your homework for you. Since the 2005 lockout multiple players have scored 50 goals and 50 assists. It's not as common as you suggest. Please find the list below:

2005/06
Alex Ovechkin
Dany Heatley
Jaromir Jagr

2006/07
Vincent Lecavaliier
Dany Hetatley

2007/08
Alex Ovechkin

2008/09
Alex Ovechkin

2009/10
Alex Ovechkin
Sidney Crosby

2010/11
No One

2011/12
Evgeni Malkin

2012/13
Lockout shortened season - No One

2013/14
No One

2014/15
No One

2015/16
No One

2016/17
No One

2017/18
No One

2018/19
Leon Draisatl - making it more impressive that no one has accomplished this feat since 2011/12 season.

Thanks for coming out!
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

May 20 @ 9:12 PM ET
So Rexypoo, it seems you don't have any answers for me. As I sit here on my deck enjoying this beautiful day, I thought I would do your homework for you. Since the 2005 lockout multiple players have scored 50 goals and 50 assists. It's not as common as you suggest. Please find the list below:

2005/06
Alex Ovechkin
Dany Heatley
Jaromir Jagr

2006/07
Vincent Lecavaliier
Dany Hetatley

2007/08
Alex Ovechkin

2008/09
Alex Ovechkin

2009/10
Alex Ovechkin
Sidney Crosby

2010/11
No One

2011/12
Evgeni Malkin

2012/13
Lockout shortened season - No One

2013/14
No One

2014/15
No One

2015/16
No One

2016/17
No One

2017/18
No One

2018/19
Leon Draisatl - making it more impressive that no one has accomplished this feat since 2011/12 season.

Thanks for coming out!

- TheUltimateJet

So when Laine scores 50
You’ll propose the same type of mega offers for him?
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 20 @ 9:14 PM ET
So when Laine scores 50
You’ll propose the same type of mega offers for him?

- Ross77

Laine scoring 50?
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 20 @ 9:26 PM ET
So when Laine scores 50
You’ll propose the same type of mega offers for him?

- Ross77

Ross77 scoring 50 goals and getting 50 assists is one of the most difficult things to do in today's NHL. The fact that Draisatl is the first player in 7 years to accomplish that is nothing short of amazing. He's in the Same company as Crosby, Malkin, and Ovechkin. Now, would you seriously put Ehlers in that company?
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

May 20 @ 9:48 PM ET
Ross77 scoring 50 goals and getting 50 assists is one of the most difficult things to do in today's NHL. The fact that Draisatl is the first player in 7 years to accomplish that is nothing short of amazing. He's in the Same company as Crosby, Malkin, and Ovechkin. Now, would you seriously put Ehlers in that company?
- TheUltimateJet

How did his team do? I’m not getting into this debate of how close Ehlers is to him but Draisaitl was over played and his team force fed him the puck the last 10-15 games of a meaningless year to get him to those numbers and now you are using them in an argument. It was ridiculous how hard they tried to get him goals down the stretch with no care for winning.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 20 @ 9:49 PM ET
How did his team do? I’m not getting into this debate of how close Ehlers is to him but Draisaitl was over played and his team force fed him the puck the last 10-15 games of a meaningless year to get him to those numbers and now you are using them in an argument. It was ridiculous how hard they tried to get him goals down the stretch with no care for winning.
- Ross77

He capitalized on his opportunities, so that makes him bad? Wonder what Laine's excuse is?
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 20 @ 9:51 PM ET
How did his team do? I’m not getting into this debate of how close Ehlers is to him but Draisaitl was over played and his team force fed him the puck the last 10-15 games of a meaningless year to get him to those numbers and now you are using them in an argument. It was ridiculous how hard they tried to get him goals down the stretch with no care for winning.
- Ross77

By the way that is the most homer comment ever made on this board. No appreciation for Draisatl's achievement. Holy crap!!!!
BWJumper
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

May 20 @ 9:59 PM ET
So when Laine scores 50
You’ll propose the same type of mega offers for him?

- Ross77


For When Laine scores 50

To Columbus: Laine

To Winnipeg: Luc Dubois, Jenner, 2nd round pick, Peeke
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 20 @ 11:11 PM ET
For When Laine scores 50

To Columbus: Laine

To Winnipeg: Luc Dubois, Jenner, 2nd round pick, Peeke

- BWJumper


Actually BW, We should clarify whether Ross77 meant 50 points or 50 goals. Because Laine did get 50 points this year!
Rexypoo
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

May 21 @ 8:04 AM ET
Actually BW, We should clarify whether Ross77 meant 50 points or 50 goals. Because Laine did get 50 points this year!
- TheUltimateJet


He scored 44 at 19, and had a spectacularly low shooting percentage in the second half.
Thinking 50 goals is a stretch for a guy who paced for 60 in the first 1/3 of the season is a weird, weird take
Rexypoo
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

May 21 @ 8:07 AM ET
So Rexypoo, it seems you don't have any answers for me. As I sit here on my deck enjoying this beautiful day, I thought I would do your homework for you. Since the 2005 lockout multiple players have scored 50 goals and 50 assists. It's not as common as you suggest. Please find the list below:

2005/06
Alex Ovechkin
Dany Heatley
Jaromir Jagr

2006/07
Vincent Lecavaliier
Dany Hetatley

2007/08
Alex Ovechkin

2008/09
Alex Ovechkin

2009/10
Alex Ovechkin
Sidney Crosby

2010/11
No One

2011/12
Evgeni Malkin

2012/13
Lockout shortened season - No One

2013/14
No One

2014/15
No One

2015/16
No One

2016/17
No One

2017/18
No One

2018/19
Leon Draisatl - making it more impressive that no one has accomplished this feat since 2011/12 season.

Thanks for coming out!

- TheUltimateJet


This is not the question you asked.
You asked how many players scored 50/50 with a provided list of other players, with my assumption being you meant to argue against how much of an impact McDavid had.
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

May 21 @ 9:14 AM ET
He capitalized on his opportunities, so that makes him bad? Wonder what Laine's excuse is?
- TheUltimateJet

I think we both know I never came close to writing or suggesting he is “bad”
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

May 21 @ 9:17 AM ET
By the way that is the most homer comment ever made on this board. No appreciation for Draisatl's achievement. Holy crap!!!!
- TheUltimateJet

Hahahahahah arw you his brother or owe him your life or something? Hello man crush. He had a great year playing with the best player in the nhl in a crappy team that worked very hard tonpad his stats the last two months when games meant nothing to him. Let me re write so you understand. He had a great year, got it? Thanks. Please don’t write things I didn’t say, like he is bad.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 21 @ 11:56 AM ET
This is not the question you asked.
You asked how many players scored 50/50 with a provided list of other players, with my assumption being you meant to argue against how much of an impact McDavid had.

- Rexypoo

It is the exact question I asked. You made it seem as if any player paired with an elite talent is money for 50/50 and I disproved your claim.

Again, thanks for coming out!
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

May 21 @ 12:01 PM ET
Hahahahahah arw you his brother or owe him your life or something? Hello man crush. He had a great year playing with the best player in the nhl in a crappy team that worked very hard tonpad his stats the last two months when games meant nothing to him. Let me re write so you understand. He had a great year, got it? Thanks. Please don’t write things I didn’t say, like he is bad.
- Ross77


Below is what you said!

How did his team do? I’m not getting into this debate of how close Ehlers is to him but Draisaitl was over played and his team force fed him the puck the last 10-15 games of a meaningless year to get him to those numbers and now you are using them in an argument. It was ridiculous how hard they tried to get him goals down the stretch with no care for winning.


Force fed him the puck, which essentially means that he had no ability to get that puck himself. Laine is force fed all the time on the powerplay and did little to produce.

You also said he has no care for winning. I think that argument can easily apply to laine. If this team did not have Scheifele and Wheeler and he was the main dog here, we would be in serious trouble. For a man with Laine's talent, size, and shot. He is very easy to knock of the puck. I rarely see him go hard after the forcheck, or go hard on the backcheck. He's best known for floating around the offensive zone and waiting for someone to pass him the puck.

There is not one player on this team I can truly say got better because of Laine.

-End of Discussion-
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