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Rexypoo
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

May 16 @ 8:06 AM ET
None of those players are effective solutions at 2C except maybe Hayes, but he'll be too expensive to re-sign for Winnipeg. Lowry and Copp are better suited for the bottom-6 and Roslovic isn't ready yet to play on the second line.

The D corps won't be a problem for the Jets even without #8, because they'll likely ask for a young right-handed D in any trade package for Trouba. Their prospect pool in defensive isn't also too thin, they have some good young players such as Sami Niku (L), Tucker Poolman (R), Logan Stanley (L), Luke Green (R), Dylan Samberg (L) and Declan Chisholm (L).

- batman8990


That’s the exact attitude and lack of creativity that’s been holding this team back. There is no reason to think Copp and Lowry can’t play 2C for us, especially Copp. They both generate more offence than Little, and we don’t have a defensively responsible forward in our top 6.

As for our defensive prospects:
Niku - graduated
Poolman - already prime age
Stanley - years away, probable bust
Green - barely played due to constant injury, years away
Samberg - years away
Chisholm - years away

Nobody outside of Niku and Poolman will be ready to contribute in any meaningful way during our current window
2.0
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

May 16 @ 10:46 AM ET
I think PT nailed this one - that the 'ruffled feathers' may be significant. Un-inspired play, skipped year end media conferences, no one going to worlds, Hayes on 4th and seemed to hint that there was tension.

The people involved are professional enough to keep it in the locker room and our only insights may be reading between the lines when we see who is moved and who stays. When that happens it may shed some light on other comments made by people 'in the know'.

I don't see the silence from Chevy as a sign that chaos will reign but more of a cooling off period before making decisions. If conversations were had right after the season everyone might have requested a trade. This apparent tension or 'ruffled feathers' is the one thing that has me concerned about the coaching staff (my confidence is a 6/10). More important than hockey knowledge and systems is that a coach has to find ways to build an effective team including listening, directing, teaching, making decisions for the good of the team above all. Maurice is a veteran coach that has had time to master these skills... so what happened?
islansjet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 03.13.2017

May 16 @ 10:47 AM ET
That’s the exact attitude and lack of creativity that’s been holding this team back. There is no reason to think Copp and Lowry can’t play 2C for us, especially Copp. They both generate more offence than Little, and we don’t have a defensively responsible forward in our top 6.

As for our defensive prospects:
Niku - graduated
Poolman - already prime age
Stanley - years away, probable bust
Green - barely played due to constant injury, years away
Samberg - years away
Chisholm - years away
Nobody outside of Niku and Poolman will be ready to contribute in any meaningful way during our current window

- Rexypoo


I would be happy to see Poolman and Niku getting a FAIR chance to play this year. Stanley may be ready to spot in this season as he has made great improvement every year with the Moose and deserves a chance to show what he can do. Would he be as bad as Kulikov? Roslovic should be given a chance to center Ehlers and Laine as they wouldn't be as defensively weak as Maurice says they would. All three play the same uptempo game and would fit in well together. It the Jets nonexistent defensive system and predictable break out that is the cause of most of the Jets misery in their own zone. Appleton is another young player that has proven he is ready to contribute if given a chance. What's the use in being a great draft and develop team if the coach doesn't want to play the kids when their ready. Maurice banishes them to the end of the bench or press box the minute they make a mistake but keeps playing his older less talented pets even though they continually make mistakes. This team has talent and can afford to lose 3rd and 4th line players so they shouldn't panic and promote 3rd and 4th liners like Perreault, Copp and Lowry, a great 4th line, to the 2nd line at the expense of speed, talent and scoring of some younger players. Imagine this team with all the talent they have being coached by some of the coaches still in the playoffs.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

May 16 @ 11:12 AM ET
So would the Canes do Svechnikov, Pesce and a 2019/20 1st for Laine (Aho's Jr winger), Beaulieu and a 2020 3rd? Just askin'!
- grahamzky


Jesus god no.


Laine and Aho only played with each other in the World Juniors, by the way, never played pro together.

Aho played with Puljujarvi and Maenalanen at Karpat, though.
Big_E_88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilmington, DE
Joined: 01.17.2014

May 16 @ 11:36 AM ET
What is the general feel amongst Jets fans regarding Trouba? Do you just assume that he will be moved at this point, and accept it? Or do you feel there is a more likely chance that he resigns with the Jets?
Granted, I don't watch him on a regular basis, but I really like him. IMO, he seems to have #1 Dman potential, and is still young. It just seems odd to me that WPG would even consider letting him go. I recognize the cap & contract situation, and I am familiar with the reports that he would prefer to play in the US, but still. Just surprised that working something out with him isn't talked about as being higher on the priority list.

As a Flyers fan, I would love to have him in Philly. Curious to hear how Jets fans see his situation playing out.
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

May 16 @ 11:48 AM ET
What is the general feel amongst Jets fans regarding Trouba? Do you just assume that he will be moved at this point, and accept it? Or do you feel there is a more likely chance that he resigns with the Jets?
Granted, I don't watch him on a regular basis, but I really like him. IMO, he seems to have #1 Dman potential, and is still young. It just seems odd to me that WPG would even consider letting him go. I recognize the cap & contract situation, and I am familiar with the reports that he would prefer to play in the US, but still. Just surprised that working something out with him isn't talked about as being higher on the priority list.

As a Flyers fan, I would love to have him in Philly. Curious to hear how Jets fans see his situation playing out.

- Big_E_88

We have tried to sign him to a long term deal three times, he refuses. I think at this point we have tried all we can but must trade him.
I’d say he is a top pairing D already, not potential to be one, and all the stats and anylitics back that up
I think philly, New York teams, Florida and Detroit all may be interested.
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

May 16 @ 11:50 AM ET
Even if players did ask for a trade remember Kane asked for a trade three straight years before it was granted. Chevy won’t just bend over
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

May 16 @ 12:04 PM ET
Jesus god no.


Laine and Aho only played with each other in the World Juniors, by the way, never played pro together.

Aho played with Puljujarvi and Maenalanen at Karpat, though.

- BINGO!


Just checking. Laine is said (by some) to be a "generational scorer" so wondered what he would be worth to a team that could use a scorer.
Aho and Laine were lights out at the Jrs though.
So, just for a matter of interest, what would you offer for Laine? (who's probably not going anywhere) - you said, I believe, you would take some of our bigger players off our hands
islansjet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 03.13.2017

May 16 @ 12:07 PM ET
What is the general feel amongst Jets fans regarding Trouba? Do you just assume that he will be moved at this point, and accept it? Or do you feel there is a more likely chance that he resigns with the Jets?
Granted, I don't watch him on a regular basis, but I really like him. IMO, he seems to have #1 Dman potential, and is still young. It just seems odd to me that WPG would even consider letting him go. I recognize the cap & contract situation, and I am familiar with the reports that he would prefer to play in the US, but still. Just surprised that working something out with him isn't talked about as being higher on the priority list.

As a Flyers fan, I would love to have him in Philly. Curious to hear how Jets fans see his situation playing out.

- Big_E_88


If Trouba doesn't sign a long term deal by the draft the Jets will trade him and there will be a list of teams that include, Philly, Pitt, Detroit, Florida, NYI, NYR, Edmonton and Toronto that would want a top pairing, physical, RHS, 50 point d-man who is in his prime. Players like Trouba don't often come on the market very often and are worth a good return. There could be a bidding war for him so the Jets would like young #1 center or a young #2 center with a #1 draft choice for him. They don't need just prospects and draft choices as they are in a win now mode. Philly has both but I think it would be hard for them to part with either Couturier or Patrick and a 1st.
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

May 16 @ 12:11 PM ET
What is the general feel amongst Jets fans regarding Trouba? Do you just assume that he will be moved at this point, and accept it? Or do you feel there is a more likely chance that he resigns with the Jets?
Granted, I don't watch him on a regular basis, but I really like him. IMO, he seems to have #1 Dman potential, and is still young. It just seems odd to me that WPG would even consider letting him go. I recognize the cap & contract situation, and I am familiar with the reports that he would prefer to play in the US, but still. Just surprised that working something out with him isn't talked about as being higher on the priority list.

As a Flyers fan, I would love to have him in Philly. Curious to hear how Jets fans see his situation playing out.

- Big_E_88


My gut feeling is that there is perhaps a 1% chance of Trouba staying in "The Peg."
But no inside info at all.

It certainly seems over the years that he has no interest in staying and you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink (or re-sign). If he doesn't want to stay, now is the time to trade him.
Think the Flyers might include Patrick or Sanheim in a deal for a signed Trouba?
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

May 16 @ 12:25 PM ET
Just checking. Laine is said (by some) to be a "generational scorer" so wondered what he would be worth to a team that could use a scorer.
Aho and Laine were lights out at the Jrs though.
So, just for a matter of interest, what would you offer for Laine? (who's probably not going anywhere) - you said, I believe, you would take some of our bigger players off our hands

- grahamzky


Justin Faulk, Julien Gauthier, 1st round Pick, 2nd round pick(s)...

Dunno. We're a little light on contracts for NHL calibre forwards, but I'd also be hesitant to give up TOO much for a guy who, yes, has scored a ton of goals, but who also is coming off of a 50 point season.

You certainly aren't getting Svechnikov for him.
Big_E_88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilmington, DE
Joined: 01.17.2014

May 16 @ 12:26 PM ET
If Trouba doesn't sign a long term deal by the draft the Jets will trade him and there will be a list of teams that include, Philly, Pitt, Detroit, Florida, NYI, NYR, Edmonton and Toronto that would want a top pairing, physical, RHS, 50 point d-man who is in his prime. Players like Trouba don't often come on the market very often and are worth a good return. There could be a bidding war for him so the Jets would like young #1 center or a young #2 center with a #1 draft choice for him. They don't need just prospects and draft choices as they are in a win now mode. Philly has both but I think it would be hard for them to part with either Couturier or Patrick and a 1st.
- islansjet


Yes, it would be very hard for the Flyers to part with either Coots or Patrick as they are currently light at center. Personally, I would be upset if they moved Coots in a package for Trouba, but I would consider including Patrick. Our first rounder this year is #11. I most likely would not do Patrick & #11. Patrick has been somewhat disappointing thus far, but he's still very young. I think those two assets for Trouba would be a slight overpay, but maybe not.

Any interest in Ghostisbehere? He's coming off a rough season, but I think his offensive skill and overall style would fit in nicely with the Jets. He's on a team friendly deal with 4 yrs left at $4.5M per, which I would think is enticing given the Jets cap situation. I would probably do Ghost & #11 for Trouba
Big_E_88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilmington, DE
Joined: 01.17.2014

May 16 @ 12:39 PM ET
My gut feeling is that there is perhaps a 1% chance of Trouba staying in "The Peg."
But no inside info at all.

It certainly seems over the years that he has no interest in staying and you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink (or re-sign). If he doesn't want to stay, now is the time to trade him.
Think the Flyers might include Patrick or Sanheim in a deal for a signed Trouba?

- grahamzky


With all the changes in management & coaching over the past year, it is very hard to say what the organization thinks, but I can tell you that the fan base is extremely high on Sanheim (Provorov & Myers too), and probably wouldn't be on board with moving him for Trouba. Some fans are very disappointed in Patrick thus far, but I think the majority realize that he's still young & developing. Plus the Flyers are in no position to be dealing a center. My guess is that they're looking to add at that position.
Personally I would not want to move Sanhiem for Trouba, but would consider a deal involving Patrick as long as there were plans to add another NHL ready center via FA or a different trade
islansjet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 03.13.2017

May 16 @ 12:42 PM ET
Yes, it would be very hard for the Flyers to part with either Coots or Patrick as they are currently light at center. Personally, I would be upset if they moved Coots in a package for Trouba, but I would consider including Patrick. Our first rounder this year is #11. I most likely would not do Patrick & #11. Patrick has been somewhat disappointing thus far, but he's still very young. I think those two assets for Trouba would be a slight overpay, but maybe not.

Any interest in Ghostisbehere? He's coming off a rough season, but I think his offensive skill and overall style would fit in nicely with the Jets. He's on a team friendly deal with 4 yrs left at $4.5M per, which I would think is enticing given the Jets cap situation. I would probably do Ghost & #11 for Trouba

- Big_E_88

I think the Jets would prefer a center as they have been looking for one to play behind Scheifele for two years now. Given that any team getting Trouba are most likely getting the best player in the trade the Jets would want something they really want and need. I like Ghost but Maurice is obsessed with physical defensive d-men and the Ghost would drive him crazy. A player like Patrick that can either develop into a star or become a 3rd line center so the Jets would want a #1 to cover themselves.
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

May 16 @ 12:51 PM ET
I think PT nailed this one - that the 'ruffled feathers' may be significant. Un-inspired play, skipped year end media conferences, no one going to worlds, Hayes on 4th and seemed to hint that there was tension.

The people involved are professional enough to keep it in the locker room and our only insights may be reading between the lines when we see who is moved and who stays. When that happens it may shed some light on other comments made by people 'in the know'.

I don't see the silence from Chevy as a sign that chaos will reign but more of a cooling off period before making decisions. If conversations were had right after the season everyone might have requested a trade. This apparent tension or 'ruffled feathers' is the one thing that has me concerned about the coaching staff (my confidence is a 6/10). More important than hockey knowledge and systems is that a coach has to find ways to build an effective team including listening, directing, teaching, making decisions for the good of the team above all. Maurice is a veteran coach that has had time to master these skills... so what happened?

- 2.0


Think you are very correct - the "ruffled feathers" is a serious problem - one that needs to be sorted out el pronto. There well may be players leaving that we're not speculating about.

Chevaldayoff being quiet? I would expect that from a GM who has a boat load of work to do. He may not be out in the public eye, he may very well be working late hours at the office, which I don't have a problem with. Doesn't strike me as a guy who would make decisions without giving them a lot of thought. Don't mind that for a GM.
Harambe
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Cincinatti Zoo - Gorilla Enclosure, OH
Joined: 07.28.2016

May 16 @ 12:52 PM ET
Pure curiosity: what would any of you Jets fans want from the Isles for Ehlers? Something acutally reasonable and realistic
BWJumper
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

May 16 @ 12:53 PM ET
Use the Dougie Hamilton trade to Carolina as a template for what the Jets can get for Trouba and that's assuming he signs long term with the team he was traded to.

The closest comparison I can come up with is:
Galchenyuk, Chychrun for Trouba, Copp and a 2nd round pick
islansjet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 03.13.2017

May 16 @ 1:01 PM ET
Pure curiosity: what would any of you Jets fans want from the Isles for Ehlers? Something acutally reasonable and realistic
- Harambe

I would be very surprised if the Jets are planning to trade Ehlers as he still is young and signed to a long term contract at a reasonable cost. What would NYI offer for him that would entice Chevy to trad him?
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

May 16 @ 1:03 PM ET
With all the changes in management & coaching over the past year, it is very hard to say what the organization thinks, but I can tell you that the fan base is extremely high on Sanheim (Provorov & Myers too), and probably wouldn't be on board with moving him for Trouba. Some fans are very disappointed in Patrick thus far, but I think the majority realize that he's still young & developing. Plus the Flyers are in no position to be dealing a center. My guess is that they're looking to add at that position.
Personally I would not want to move Sanhiem for Trouba, but would consider a deal involving Patrick as long as there were plans to add another NHL ready center via FA or a different trade

- Big_E_88


Interesting. Patrick+ could be a possibility then? What about Myers or Morin (?) - could be added? Think the Jets would want a young d-man included - so maybe a signed Trouba + for Patrick, and Sanheim/Myers/Morin, depending on who the Jets add?
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

May 16 @ 1:09 PM ET
Justin Faulk, Julien Gauthier, 1st round Pick, 2nd round pick(s)...

Dunno. We're a little light on contracts for NHL calibre forwards, but I'd also be hesitant to give up TOO much for a guy who, yes, has scored a ton of goals, but who also is coming off of a 50 point season.

You certainly aren't getting Svechnikov for him.

- BINGO!

I think Connor, Ehlers or Roslovic or more likely to be moved. I think your premise for Laine is accurate but I’d choose someone different than Faulk and Gautier.
How has guatier and bean been developing by the way?
Could you see Connor for Peace?
islansjet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 03.13.2017

May 16 @ 1:10 PM ET
Interesting. Patrick+ could be a possibility then? What about Myers or Morin (?) - could be added? Think the Jets would want a young d-man included - so maybe a signed Trouba + for Patrick, and Sanheim/Myers/Morin, depending on who the Jets add?
- grahamzky

The Jets have NHL ready d-men in the minors that are having a tough time cracking the lineup because Maurice prefers experienced d-men, so I can't see the Jets wanting any of them packaged with Patrick. The Jets need draft picks as they traded away too many the last 2 years.
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

May 16 @ 1:13 PM ET
Yes, it would be very hard for the Flyers to part with either Coots or Patrick as they are currently light at center. Personally, I would be upset if they moved Coots in a package for Trouba, but I would consider including Patrick. Our first rounder this year is #11. I most likely would not do Patrick & #11. Patrick has been somewhat disappointing thus far, but he's still very young. I think those two assets for Trouba would be a slight overpay, but maybe not.

Any interest in Ghostisbehere? He's coming off a rough season, but I think his offensive skill and overall style would fit in nicely with the Jets. He's on a team friendly deal with 4 yrs left at $4.5M per, which I would think is enticing given the Jets cap situation. I would probably do Ghost & #11 for Trouba

- Big_E_88

I’d take Ghost and #11, hope the Jets would to. Like you said I know their are questions with Ghost but his contract makes it worth it.
I wouldn’t mind Myers, #11 and one of your forward prospects like Ratcliffe ( I know you won’t move farabee or frost) and maybe we throw in something else to?
BWJumper
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

May 16 @ 1:19 PM ET
Stars sign Lindell to 5.8 million a year. Chevy should sign Morrissey July 1 before it costs him 7 a year
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

May 16 @ 1:26 PM ET
I think Connor, Ehlers or Roslovic or more likely to be moved. I think your premise for Laine is accurate but I’d choose someone different than Faulk and Gautier.
How has guatier and bean been developing by the way?
Could you see Connor for Peace?

- Ross77


I could see it, but I think they'd be hesitant to move Pesce because of how good his contract is. Faulk is by far the most likely to be moved due to contract status.

Gauthier has been miles better than what he was last season. Essentially had to rebuild his game because he got by on just being so much bigger than the other guys in the Q.

Last season he had 17 goals, 27 points in 73 combined games in the AHL and struggled.

This year he jumped up to 31 goals, 46 points in 83 games (so far). He's adapting and has gotten better and better.
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

May 16 @ 1:50 PM ET
Use the Dougie Hamilton trade to Carolina as a template for what the Jets can get for Trouba and that's assuming he signs long term with the team he was traded to.

The closest comparison I can come up with is:
Galchenyuk, Chychrun for Trouba, Copp and a 2nd round pick

- BWJumper

I’m not trading Copp, way more valuable to us than most think. Why does everyone forget how good everyone Copp was in was? When he centered Perreault and Roslovic for three games that was our best line for all three games so why does everyone assume he can’t be a 2nd or 3rd line Center, plus he’s young enough where he is still getting better. He is a late bloomer cause he played football longer.
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