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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 22 @ 9:57 PM ET
Look at their commitments beyond this year and reassess.
- Lunaion

Yeah I can’t see how he’s come close to Moulson/Okposo/Risto bad but whatever
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Apr 22 @ 10:02 PM ET
Yeah I can’t see how he’s come close to Moulson/Okposo/Risto bad but whatever
- sbroads24


He's avoided and gotten out of long term deals, while taking on some short term salary intentionally to facilitate deals. He still hasn't tipped his hand on what this group looks like long term and has given himself a ton of flexibility.

You can love RoR and still appreciate that.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 22 @ 10:03 PM ET
He's avoided and gotten out of long term deals, while taking on some short term salary intentionally to facilitate deals. He still hasn't tipped his hand on what this group looks like long term and has given himself a ton of flexibility.

You can love RoR and still appreciate that.

- Lunaion

Anyone who blames him for the O’Reilly deal just wants to be mad at someone at this point.

He was forced to move him by his owner and by the fact that he didn’t want to play here anymore
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Apr 22 @ 10:06 PM ET
Anyone who blames him for the O’Reilly deal just wants to be mad at someone at this point.

He was forced to move him by his owner and by the fact that he didn’t want to play here anymore

- sbroads24


The trade isn’t even finalized yet. People like to judge something after a year yet Thompson isn’t a finished product either. We’ll see if people are still singing the same tune 2 years from now.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 22 @ 10:24 PM ET
2 options:

1) Use the pick and stock the cupboard

2) Use it to make a Montour esque deal to add to the forward group.

- Pegullaville


EXACTLY

Under no circumstance should it be used to get rid of Okposo
That’s bonkers
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 22 @ 10:28 PM ET
Anyone who blames him for the O’Reilly deal just wants to be mad at someone at this point.

He was forced to move him by his owner and by the fact that he didn’t want to play here anymore

- sbroads24


Can rightly be unhappy with the sh!tty return

And i don’t buy that this was the deal he HAD to take
There were other teams interested
Botts WANTED Tage
And he was COUNTING on Berglund to be able to play 2C

You’re still blindly defending the deal bc u hate ROR

But even under the circumstances...
Still was a bad trade by Botts
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 22 @ 10:30 PM ET
The trade isn’t even finalized yet. People like to judge something after a year yet Thompson isn’t a finished product either. We’ll see if people are still singing the same tune 2 years from now.
- Pegullaville


Hope you’re right!
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Apr 22 @ 10:43 PM ET
Hope you’re right!
- jdfitz77


Montour, Thompson, and a 2nd rounder for ROR and Guhle might not look too bad 2 years from now.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Apr 22 @ 10:45 PM ET
Montour, Thompson, and a 2nd rounder for ROR and Guhle might not look too bad 2 years from now.
- Pegullaville


Even better if Skinner resigns.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 22 @ 11:04 PM ET
Montour, Thompson, and a 2nd rounder for ROR and Guhle might not look too bad 2 years from now.
- Pegullaville


I actually still liked Guhle
But we had to give up something for Montour

Tage is gonna have to turnout to be a 25+ goal scorer for me to end up liking that trade
*and that’s if Guhle doesn’t become much

It would also be nice if that 2nd turned into a decent player
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 22 @ 11:37 PM ET
Year of the underdogs For the Stanley Cup playoffs
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 22 @ 11:56 PM ET
Year of the underdogs For the Stanley Cup playoffs
- gerbe75pts


Crazy
PrinceChill
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.06.2014

Apr 22 @ 11:56 PM ET
Year of the underdogs For the Stanley Cup playoffs
- gerbe75pts

Sure is. Maybe making the playoffs as a wild card or 3rd in the division isn't so stupid after all?
seedy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: you don't need an ignore button to ignore someone., CA
Joined: 02.22.2007

Apr 23 @ 12:22 AM ET
I'm very happy to be here.
- SABRES 89


I "dosagree"
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 23 @ 12:32 AM ET
Out comes now

Dallas beats St. Louis -> Pick 17-19
St. Louis beats Dallas -> Pick 28-31


jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 23 @ 12:42 AM ET

Outcomes now

Dallas beats St. Louis -> Pick 17-19
St. Louis beats Dallas -> Pick 28-31

- gerbe75pts

Could be a long series between the 2

It’s gonna feel weird cheering for the Stars
I don’t like that at all
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Apr 23 @ 4:30 AM ET
Yeah I can’t see how he’s come close to Moulson/Okposo/Risto bad but whatever
- sbroads24



Is it accepted now that Ristolainen is “bad”? That would be news to a lot of the NHL, I think.

It’s more likely that he has just become your newest focus after Kane, ROR got run off.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Apr 23 @ 4:39 AM ET
If they trade it, it better be for a guy under 24
- sbroads24


Ristolainen + the late 1st round pick for Cirelli, Foote, and Killorn...?
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Apr 23 @ 4:39 AM ET
go post that on facebook



- homiedclown


The “Nostalgia” video was a relevant comment on the merit of Pomminvilles play.

Your comment on Al Sharptons ability to spell is completely unrelated to the conversation or hockey, at all.

Be better.
kritter65
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 07.11.2009

Apr 23 @ 7:05 AM ET
Can rightly be unhappy with the sh!tty return

And i don’t buy that this was the deal he HAD to take
There were other teams interested
Botts WANTED Tage
And he was COUNTING on Berglund to be able to play 2C

You’re still blindly defending the deal bc u hate ROR

But even under the circumstances...
Still was a bad trade by Botts

- jdfitz77


Good post.

Also, unless someone high up in the organization comes right out and says ownership forced the trade, and unless ROR himself comes out and says he wanted out - word for word - I don't believe any of it. It's all hearsay. Saying he lost his love for the game doesn't necessarily mean he wanted to be traded, but if enough people keep saying it here, it becomes gospel. Lastly, if the St Louis offer was the only legit offer - and Botts took it thinking that, then I have little faith in any move he makes going forward. How about saying "no" to accepting the Blues' 3 sh!ttiest players in the deal ? Botts got duped.

That 1st rounder better become an excellent player.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Settle down Bob, it's all for comedy.. , NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Apr 23 @ 7:29 AM ET
Sorry but Botts has made this cap worse.

Scandella, hunwick, pommer, and sheary (and according to some on here, he could have traded bogo his first offseason here, elected not to do it)

- Mentalorgasm5


This is beyond false. The only long term contracts JB is responsible for is Jack Eichel. All other bloated contracts are short term and were brought here either as short cap dumps or to fill holes. Even Berglund's contract wasn't that bad prior to the start of the season.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Settle down Bob, it's all for comedy.. , NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Apr 23 @ 7:34 AM ET
Is it accepted now that Ristolainen is “bad”? That would be news to a lot of the NHL, I think.

It’s more likely that he has just become your newest focus after Kane, ROR got run off.

- Der Kaiser


It requires a mix of definition and opinion. Ristolainen's bad qualities include a lack of defensive zone awareness and an inability to exit the zone, effectively. He does other things well, these are just his largest flaws.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Apr 23 @ 8:07 AM ET
From the Rangers blog about them potentially having interest in Trouba.
A trade proposed, and a survey on the proposed trade yielded very close results...perhaps indicating the value is roughly close?


To NYR:
-Trouba (with extension),
-Perrault (2x$4.125m, 0% retained)

to WPG:
-Pionk (RFA),
-Vesey,
-WPG's 2019 1st,
-TBL 2019 2nd,
(cap space needed to re-sign Laine/Connor from including Perrault at full, CAP SPACE IS AN ASSET!)

The cap space comment is mainly attributed to taking on Perrault's contract for 2 years. At 31, and his production of 15/15/30 it isn't ideal, but not cripling either.

Interesting.
Could the Sabres grab him for
-Risto
-2019 late 1st
Would they have to add something like Nylander?
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Apr 23 @ 8:18 AM ET
This is beyond false. The only long term contracts JB is responsible for is Jack Eichel. All other bloated contracts are short term and were brought here either as short cap dumps or to fill holes. Even Berglund's contract wasn't that bad prior to the start of the season.
- TheSabresTaco


Beyond false is a bit extreme.
While you are right, those cap dumps mostly go away after next season, thay are in fact on this roster for the upcoming off-season and are in fact holding back a fair amount of cap space that could be used now to improve the team.
We all female dog about Okposo's contract, and rightfully so due to its size and length given production.
However, we then can't merely blow off the impact on the limitations this off season from $12.75 wasted on:
-Scandella $4.0.m
-Hunwick. $2.25m
-Sheary. $3.0m
-Sobotka. $3.5m

SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: 3 GM's, 5 Coaches and 3 Owners it's 2019 and still picking in top 6. Las Vegas Via BUFFALO NEW YORK
Joined: 02.17.2007

Apr 23 @ 8:23 AM ET
From the Rangers blog about them potentially having interest in Trouba.
A trade proposed, and a survey on the proposed trade yielded very close results...perhaps indicating the value is roughly close?


To NYR:
-Trouba (with extension),
-Perrault (2x$4.125m, 0% retained)

to WPG:
-Pionk (RFA),
-Vesey,
-WPG's 2019 1st,
-TBL 2019 2nd,
(cap space needed to re-sign Laine/Connor from including Perrault at full, CAP SPACE IS AN ASSET!)

The cap space comment is mainly attributed to taking on Perrault's contract for 2 years. At 31, and his production of 15/15/30 it isn't ideal, but not cripling either.

Interesting.
Could the Sabres grab him for
-Risto
-2019 late 1st
Would they have to add something like Nylander?

- IonSabres

Why does everyone want to give up so much for players, Risto has value all by himself in a deal. Why should we give up all this extra. I'll keep Risto over Trouba. This is Jacob Trouba not Brent Burns.
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