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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 22 @ 6:43 PM ET
Like i said...
I’d obviously prefer not to have him

BUT since he’s actually putting up 14goals as a bottom6 player- he’s not as dreadful/useless/etc as ppl are saying

And since he does provide a bit (not a lot- i know) to the bottom6
I don’t wanna use that late 1st to get rid of him
Bc that’s what it would take

I wanna use that late 1st to continue building much needed talent

And unfortunately...
it might get to the point where we eventually have to bury him like we did Moulson

- jdfitz77

But he isn’t putting up 14 goals “as a bottom 6 player”

He put up 7, with 8 more on the PP where he wouldn’t get that ice time if he had any top 6 forward ahead of him.

That’s how to objectively evaluate him.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Gronborg's Beard, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Apr 22 @ 6:44 PM ET
guys who put up similar numbers to okposo last season
simmonds
eriksson
e-rod
maroon
brad richardson
sam bennett

- homiedclown


Now do how many of them have a $6m cap hit over the next 4 years. Erikkson

The point is, he cramps our style on trade targets and FA acquisitions.

If Skinner signs, it sure would be nice to have more than $17 mil to sign 5 guys
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Apr 22 @ 6:47 PM ET
But he isn’t putting up 14 goals “as a bottom 6 player”

He put up 7, with 8 more on the PP where he wouldn’t get that ice time if he had any top 6 forward ahead of him.

That’s how to objectively evaluate him.

- sbroads24


Even that is being kind.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Apr 22 @ 6:47 PM ET
Now do how many of them have a $6m cap hit over the next 4 years. Erikkson

The point is, he cramps our style on trade targets and FA acquisitions.

If Skinner signs, it sure would be nice to have more than $17 mil to sign 5 guys

- jcragcrumple

I'd give up the late first to move him

he doesn't check any boxes

1. can't score
2. no speed
3. no grit

addition by subtraction


I'd rather have reinhart, nylander and player x with a true scrub for 4th line
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Apr 22 @ 6:48 PM ET
I like the age range you’re targeting

Cost might be too high for me considering we have Mitts as our “2C in waiting”

And we could be drafting another guy this year with that high of a ceiling also

I’m thinking more long term, than short term here

- jdfitz77



Hence why much earlier this season I was, and still am vocal about acquiring RNH.
- Age is perfect
- 2 years left is ok
- $6m for 65 - 75 points is terrific
- versatility to move to 2nd line wing for Mitts at 2c is valuable
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO NY, NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Apr 22 @ 6:54 PM ET
I'd give up the late first to move him

he doesn't check any boxes

1. can't score
2. no speed
3. no grit

addition by subtraction




I'd rather have reinhart, nylander and player x with a true scrub for 4th line

- homiedclown


I kinda agree:

It changes another face of losing from the lockerroom

4. He cant fight
5. Injury prone/ dependability issues

Yes , if he is a 4th liner , he should have the ability to protect himself . Even better if he could: protect the other soft guys.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 22 @ 7:02 PM ET
That's a straw man trade, so I'm not going to argue about that. There are numerous other options out there

But if you're asking me whether I'd have that late pick and Okposo over the cap space, I'll take the possibility of Duchene or Eberle over Okposo and Roslovic

- jcragcrumple


We see that differently i guess

Overpaying Duchene will end up being a mistake too
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 22 @ 7:05 PM ET
But he isn’t putting up 14 goals “as a bottom 6 player”

He put up 7, with 8 more on the PP where he wouldn’t get that ice time if he had any top 6 forward ahead of him.

That’s how to objectively evaluate him.

- sbroads24


Fair
Idk that we are bringing in enough guys that he’ll be knocked off the PP though?

And PP goals do count
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 22 @ 7:06 PM ET
Now do how many of them have a $6m cap hit over the next 4 years. Erikkson

The point is, he cramps our style on trade targets and FA acquisitions.

If Skinner signs, it sure would be nice to have more than $17 mil to sign 5 guys

- jcragcrumple


U keep bring up the 6mil like i dosagree on his contract

Yes, it sucks

No, i don’t believe we will get rid of him for anything less than the late 1st
And that’s a bad idea imo
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 22 @ 7:08 PM ET
Hence why much earlier this season I was, and still am vocal about acquiring RNH.
- Age is perfect
- 2 years left is ok
- $6m for 65 - 75 points is terrific
- versatility to move to 2nd line wing for Mitts at 2c is valuable

- IonSabres


Assuming we can get him for Risto,
Ok

But as much as ppl bash Risto,
we would need to replace him
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 22 @ 7:10 PM ET
You're assuming again
- jcragcrumple


What do u think Duchene will get in free agency?
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Gronborg's Beard, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Apr 22 @ 7:14 PM ET
U keep bring up the 6mil like i dosagree on his contract

Yes, it sucks

No, i don’t believe we will get rid of him for anything less than the late 1st
And that’s a bad idea imo

- jdfitz77


There are plenty of other scenarios
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Apr 22 @ 7:14 PM ET
What do u think Duchene will get in free agency?
- jdfitz77


$9.5M/per and 7 years.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Gronborg's Beard, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Apr 22 @ 7:16 PM ET
What do u think Duchene will get in free agency?
- jdfitz77


Idk, but I do know if we still have Okposo and Bogo, Skinner will be our only splash move apart from the inevitable Risto trade. Salary constraints dictate that unless money is moved out in the off season, we can re-sign our own and basically stand pat. If we're interested in FA or trades, cash has to leave
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Apr 22 @ 7:23 PM ET
I kinda agree:

It changes another face of losing from the lockerroom

4. He cant fight
5. Injury prone/ dependability issues

Yes , if he is a 4th liner , he should have the ability to protect himself . Even better if he could: protect the other soft guys.

- Boss34

I like it when we agree
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "We played a good enough hockey game to win a hockey game tonight." -Phil Housley
Joined: 07.01.2016

Apr 22 @ 7:30 PM ET
Banned
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "We played a good enough hockey game to win a hockey game tonight." -Phil Housley
Joined: 07.01.2016

Apr 22 @ 7:30 PM ET
Reported
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 22 @ 7:31 PM ET
Fair
Idk that we are bringing in enough guys that he’ll be knocked off the PP though?

And PP goals do count

- jdfitz77

They count. But if he were to be taken off the PP, which IMO he will, what does his production look like?

Problem with him is he takes way too many penalties for a role player. And isn’t really good defensively.

He’s gotta he priority #1 to move
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Gronborg's Beard, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Apr 22 @ 7:32 PM ET
Reported
- BeadyEyedDouche


Tarred and feathered
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I think we will be good, in 2037, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Apr 22 @ 7:37 PM ET
Reported
- BeadyEyedDouche

do that crap on facebook

jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 22 @ 7:58 PM ET
There are plenty of other scenarios
- jcragcrumple


Well if that happens, I’d applaud the move
But i highly doubt it
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 22 @ 7:58 PM ET
$9.5M/per and 7 years.
- Pegullaville


That’s overpaid imo
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 22 @ 8:00 PM ET
They count. But if he were to be taken off the PP, which IMO he will, what does his production look like?

Problem with him is he takes way too many penalties for a role player. And isn’t really good defensively.

He’s gotta he priority #1 to move

- sbroads24


But are u ok moving the 1st to do so?
I’m not
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 22 @ 8:01 PM ET
But are u ok moving the 1st to do so?
I’m not

- jdfitz77

No but I’d heavily consider it if it helped us get someone
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Apr 22 @ 8:17 PM ET
When are we bringing the Royal blues back ? They’ve only been teasing them for the past 3 years.
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