Trevor Shackles: Enough Slandering of Mark Stone Mark Stone doesn't deserve criticism for his comments

Not gonna slander him, but I dont feel sorry for him. He should have just left us out of it, no need for those comments. Interesting to see what he tweets after losing game 7 tomorrow, no way Fleury comes back from that one.

Yes I think Sens interest is exclusively engaged in wanting the other first coming from a SJ Stanley Cup final.

Looks life Duchene is doing his part in helping out the Sens.

Next year could be monster draft for Sens. Good chance they will have 3 first round picks. Possible all three picks could have a shot in lottery.

San Jose looks like a team that may crash and burn once the post season ends and they get a chance to assess the long term damage. They are old and there is very little in their prospect pool. Pittsburgh is in a similar word of hurt.

That he chose Vegas already said all of these things.

People need to stop fretting over words when actions speak the loudest. Ottawa offered him a contract, he said no. That means he didn't want to play there. That means he'd rather put up with moving and all that than play in Ottawa. Then he signed a long contract with Vegas. That means the few times he played in Vegas, he absolutely loved it.

I know, it's like seeing your former girl happy with another guy and it sucks, but it feels a lot better if you don't take notice of her at all.

He was just trying to do bleed control for his statements, because these days with all the sissies on social media, people getting offended or expressing angst, grief, and scorn is basically an automatic. He cannot possibly have said anything that would have navigated the mine field of social media.

Truths are hard to except. But so it is. Melnyk will basically need to keep this team under 26 and will need veterans who actually want to play there. Given that it's so hard for them to keep anybody, you can definitely say that Ottawa isn't wooing players like other teams are. They certainly aren't wooing their fans. They definitely have to address the issue, but Stone is gone; fans have to get over that.

Anyone slandering Stone is a (frank)ing idiot.

That guy gave everything to this team while he was here. All he wanted, rightfully so, was a chance to win. He didn’t give a poop about money (he could have gotten more than 9.5 as a UFA) all he wanted to do was win. He was never going to get that chance with dumb and dumber running the show in Ottawa.

He owed this team nothing. Good for him for moving on and tearing it up.

That he chose Vegas already said all of these things.

People need to stop fretting over words when actions speak the loudest. Ottawa offered him a contract, he said no. That means he didn't want to play there. That means he'd rather put up with moving and all that than play in Ottawa. Then he signed a long contract with Vegas. That means the few times he played in Vegas, he absolutely loved it.

I know, it's like seeing your former girl happy with another guy and it sucks, but it feels a lot better if you don't take notice of her at all.

He was just trying to do bleed control for his statements, because these days with all the sissies on social media, people getting offended or expressing angst, grief, and scorn is basically an automatic. He cannot possibly have said anything that would have navigated the mine field of social media.

Truths are hard to except. But so it is. Melnyk will basically need to keep this team under 26 and will need veterans who actually want to play there. Given that it's so hard for them to keep anybody, you can definitely say that Ottawa isn't wooing players like other teams are. They certainly aren't wooing their fans. They definitely have to address the issue, but Stone is gone; fans have to get over that.
- archromat

One of the key considerations of hitting bottom is knowing when you can pull the trigger and convert your weakness (vulnerability) into strength.

Right now the Sens are collecting picks and prospects. They have a meagre salary budget and are operating well below the CAP floor. They have an owner who is broke and can't afford to pay any bonus money. So, everyone has left.

What is needed to turn all this into a positive?

If Stone wasn’t having fun in the playoffs, he’d be in Ottawa because that’s where he has a house.

Stone is the man!!! Absolute heart and soul guy. I wish him nothing but the best.

The crap that people say and do are a reflection of who they are. The fact that people are so quick to take offence to anything that could be twisted in a way that gives offense shows that they like to be victims who are offended.

Yeah, I think people are reading too much into this but it's true that he might've chosen his words better. Personally, I didn't take it as an insult to OTT fans.

Anyone slandering Stone is a (frank)ing idiot.

That guy gave everything to this team while he was here. All he wanted, rightfully so, was a chance to win. He didn’t give a poop about money (he could have gotten more than 9.5 as a UFA) all he wanted to do was win. He was never going to get that chance with dumb and dumber running the show in Ottawa.

He owed this team nothing. Good for him for moving on and tearing it up.
- sensarmy_11

He signed a $76 million extension. He definitely gives a poop about the money.

Yes I think Sens interest is exclusively engaged in wanting the other first coming from a SJ Stanley Cup final.

Looks life Duchene is doing his part in helping out the Sens.

Next year could be monster draft for Sens. Good chance they will have 3 first round picks. Possible all three picks could have a shot in lottery.

San Jose looks like a team that may crash and burn once the post season ends and they get a chance to assess the long term damage. They are old and there is very little in their prospect pool. Pittsburgh is in a similar word of hurt.
- spatso

What are the details to get the 1 st round picks?

He signed a $76 million extension. He definitely gives a poop about the money.
- Hunkulese

He was gonna get paid no matter what. Him leaving money on the table, to sign somewhere he enjoys and has a shot to win, shows it’s not about the money.

Yeah, I think people are reading too much into this but it's true that he might've chosen his words better. Personally, I didn't take it as an insult to OTT fans.
- Panzer_IVA

I took it as a subtle jab to ownership and management......which makes love him more.

What are the details to get the 1 st round picks?
- kaptaan

If Duchene resigns with Columbus it gives Ottawa another 1st in 2020 (they already have the Columbus 2019 first round pick).

Ottawa already has SJ's 1st in 2020 and they have a conditional 2021 second if Karlsson resigns with the Sharks. But, if the Sharks make the SCF this year that second upgrades to a 2021 first.

Now, I am pretty sure that I am correct in my understanding. But it is hard to sort through so if somebody knows it better I would appreciate a correction.

That he chose Vegas already said all of these things.

People need to stop fretting over words when actions speak the loudest. Ottawa offered him a contract, he said no. That means he didn't want to play there. That means he'd rather put up with moving and all that than play in Ottawa. Then he signed a long contract with Vegas. That means the few times he played in Vegas, he absolutely loved it.

I know, it's like seeing your former girl happy with another guy and it sucks, but it feels a lot better if you don't take notice of her at all.

He was just trying to do bleed control for his statements, because these days with all the sissies on social media, people getting offended or expressing angst, grief, and scorn is basically an automatic. He cannot possibly have said anything that would have navigated the mine field of social media.

Truths are hard to except. But so it is. Melnyk will basically need to keep this team under 26 and will need veterans who actually want to play there. Given that it's so hard for them to keep anybody, you can definitely say that Ottawa isn't wooing players like other teams are. They certainly aren't wooing their fans. They definitely have to address the issue, but Stone is gone; fans have to get over that.
- archromat

Everyone in this room is now dumber after reading this.

Some players have earned the right to speak candidly. Stone is 1 of them.
And he meant it. ...seems like an odd time though for him to be taking pot shots even if warranted

People can be so g-d fragile sometimes. The ex-gf analogy is actually pretty astute in terms of describing the irrational behaviour. Stone might occasionally say things to show appreciation for: a) the team that just traded for him and immediately offered a $76M contract, b) the new and supportive fanbase that's embraced him right away, and c) the opportunity to play meaningful games while in the prime of his career. He might even use exaggerated language like "Vegas fans are the best in the world", despite rigorous scientific investigation that might objectively suggest otherwise.

Regardless, getting worked up about these things is a sign of massive insecurity. It was a very hard situation in Ottawa, and he managed it with about as much class and tact as could possibly be expected. If you were actually a fan of Mark Stone, just appreciate what he did, genuinely wish him well, and move on... instead of scrutinizing every word that comes out of his mouth in the news or social media like an obsessive creep.

He was gonna get paid no matter what. Him leaving money on the table, to sign somewhere he enjoys and has a shot to win, shows it’s not about the money.
- sensarmy_11

It's always about the money. He didn't sign for 5 million a year to ensure that Vegas would always be able to surround him with talent.

There's nothing wrong with caring about money and wanting to get paid. Stone definitely cared about the money and wanted to get paid. How do you figure he left money on the table? No one else would be able to give him the 8th year and Nevada is a tax free state.

He could have said "I'm so glad to be out of Ottawa, The fans barely support the team and Ownership is a complete joke. That rebuilds gonna last forever and I aint gonna waste my Career"

And he wouldn't have been wrong

It's always about the money. He didn't sign for 5 million a year to ensure that Vegas would always be able to surround him with talent.

There's nothing wrong with caring about money and wanting to get paid. Stone definitely cared about the money and wanted to get paid. How do you figure he left money on the table? No one else would be able to give him the 8th year and Nevada is a tax free state.
- Hunkulese

The NHLPA wouldn’t allow him to sign for 5 mil. It devalues everyone else with contracts coming due. The biggest “discount” a player could take would maybe be 2 mil (based on structure, taxes, term, etc, etc).

Look at Marner for example. After Matthews signed his deal, even if Marner wanted to sign a team friendly deal for 8 years at 8 mil, the PA would never let him do it

Stone taking 9.5 is about 1-1.5 mil left on the table per year. Players who do that, IMO, show they care more about winning than money.

When I say “he doesn’t care about money” it means that winning, location, teammates, etc, are all more important.

One of the key considerations of hitting bottom is knowing when you can pull the trigger and convert your weakness (vulnerability) into strength.

Right now the Sens are collecting picks and prospects. They have a meagre salary budget and are operating well below the CAP floor. They have an owner who is broke and can't afford to pay any bonus money. So, everyone has left.

What is needed to turn all this into a positive?
- spatso

a move to Quebec City

I dont cared much about what Stone said.What i know is that his contract wont age well like so many of these long term contracts.

I dont cared much about what Stone said.What i know is that his contract wont age well like so many of these long term contracts.
- Laughinghyena666

He excels at everything, besides skating, which is still above average. This was his best season yet, and he is going to be at this peak for a while...He's not even 27 yet

I dont cared much about what Stone said.What i know is that his contract wont age well like so many of these long term contracts.
- Laughinghyena666

His contract will age fine

Stop throwing Stones at Mark

He excels at everything, besides skating, which is still above average. This was his best season yet, and he is going to be at this peak for a while...He's not even 27 yet
- Trevor Shackles

Never said Stone was not great player.Im still pissed we dont have him anymore.But i always disliked these dumb longterm contracts.With him playing like he does,i highly doubt his body will follow with years passing.

Same with Karlsson.If a team sign him maximum dollars for 7 years...this team will regret him.