Thanks for the draft pick. 👍🏻
- KINGS67

Hopefully he is better than the average 5th round pick. As for the LAK, they originally spent a 7th on him, so technically they came out ahead on that basis.

Oh also... this:

"* Also, sounds like there has been quite a bit of scouting being done overseas as well. "


My contact was right about that. He makes me look good once and a while.
- Justin Lowe

That begs the question, will there be an impactful European signing before next season?

I could MAYBE see the Hawks and Oilers deal going down but I'd have a hard time seeing the Hawks trade Strome and Cat with seeing how well both players are panning out especially trading Keith too and then hoping that Nurse and Puljaarvi "figure it out".

Can't see the Hawks getting Kap for Murphy. No way Toronto trades both Kap and Nylander and the best they get is Murphy. They could get A LOT more like Paryako + for those two. As much as they need a RHD they're not gonna give away anyone to get it.



Hmm I don't remember that being apart of the discussions after he signed. I remembered part of the Nylander's camps worries were that he would sign a deal and then be traded right after that, but I don't think there was any agreement that they couldn't trade him at all. They woulda fought for NTC if that were the case
- Savetheembers33

Forgot that Tor could get a second from each team, maybe a Forsling
added in. Tor needs cap space for their 2 upcoming $10mil non cup
stars, heck Kappanen might want 6mil.

Murphy at his price tag would be cherished for the price tag
alone, let alone being right handed and playing well. Those
are 3 huge reasons why Murphy could get you what you ask.

I think you are correct sir. They are really looking to build chemistry and have been for a few years as it's been a thing sorely missing.
- Justin Lowe

Let’s hope they aren’t overlooking / sacrificing talent in their quest to reunite “families”.

Not happening. You don't trade Cat and Strome when both are turning into top quality offensive forces. Especially when they are both playing so well together and are super young. In a couple years Keith and Seabrook cap hit will be middle of the road. They will be our 3rd line d pairing in 2 years. I don't see either getting traded no matter what. They are hawks4life. We don't need anymore reclamation projects. We need D help. The only guys I am trading is AA, Saad, Kruger, and Gustafson if I get the right deal. Gustafson is really good on offense and could be a force for another team that can hide him on special teams or use him in sporadic occasions but he's just not a good defenseman. Our 3rd pairing will be Keith and Seabrook and we can't hide Gustafson on our team when we don't have any defenseman who can play besides Joki and Murph. If we had 4 top quality defenseman on the backend we could shelter Gustafson to third pairing minutes and special teams, but we don't have that problem currently so you part with Gustafson if someone gives back something of value. And by value I mean something like a 1st rounder or a fringe defensive defenseman who doesn't put any points on the scoresheet like Hjarlmson but plays great defense. I think Gustafson has some value in the right scenario I just don't think with our terrible defense that we can hide his deficiencies to third pairing and strictly Special teams.
- Hawk4life

I can live w/Strome/Cat that won't be a problem especially if Strome
can take the next step, get a bit stronger and a half step faster while
lasting more than one up and back. Cat is perfect for the PP as long
as Kane Gus can get him the puck.

List of guys being traded is ok w/me, would add Ward, Kunitz, maybe Forsling
if price was right.

Good analysis on Gus, totally agree.

Can someone clear this up for me? Who is left that hasn't been traded today? I lost track along the way.

Can someone clear this up for me? Who is left that hasn't been traded today? I lost track along the way.
- Elbows15

Nobody left, but we have every 3rd round pick in the next draft.

Kubalik for a 5th. What is the average expected outcome of a 5th round pick, and will Kubalik exceed that? Seems to be the question to me, anyway. Also, this is merely rights to him. He is not under contract. Hawks have 48 players under contract now, before signing him.
- 333inthe3rd

AHL fodder.

But Saad is not worth a descent top four.
Also he is too young and valuable to move.

If you would surrender a good top four dman, you are not too smart. Top four dmen are not a commodity easily extracted.
- jhawk59

So, let me get this straight, he's too valuable to move, but not worth a top 4 Dman?

Oh also... this:

"* Also, sounds like there has been quite a bit of scouting being done overseas as well. "


My contact was right about that. He makes me look good once and a while.
- Justin Lowe

Can only hope they know exactly how Kaako and Podkolzin would look in an Indianhead.

Can someone clear this up for me? Who is left that hasn't been traded today? I lost track along the way.
- Elbows15

Just the NHL roster, correct? I don’t think Crawford has been in a proposed trade. Of course, it’s much harder to make a pretend trade with a guy who has a real concussion, and is on the real IR.

So, let me get this straight, he's too valuable to move, but not worth a top 4 Dman?
- tvetter

Dcat is not going to be traded so forget about crazy Edmonton trade proposal.

Nobody left, but we have every 3rd round pick in the next draft.
- 333inthe3rd

Need those.

So, let me get this straight, he's too valuable to move, but not worth a top 4 Dman?
- tvetter

What's the problem? Seems perfectly logical to me using the "other" guy is always better than "our" guy method.

Just the NHL roster, correct? I don’t think Crawford has been in a proposed trade. Of course, it’s much harder to make a pretend trade with a guy who has a real concussion, and is on the real IR.
- scottak

Well, they do need a goalie.

Well, they do need a goalie.
- Elbows15

Good, ‘cause he’s gonna’ see a lot of rubber, playing behind all those rookie 3rd round picks. You think the HD shots against are high now, just wait for that sh*t show.

Dcat is not going to be traded so forget about crazy Edmonton trade proposal.
- Scott1977

This was about Saad. Also, I don't want him traded, but said if they did, it should be for a top 4 dman

AHL fodder.
- DarthKane

Red font off for a sec....

I just looked at drafts over a 10 year period, from 1997-2006, and the back of the napkin estimate has about 1 in 10 5th rounders having at least a 5 year NHL career. So about 9 in 10 are AHL fodder indeed.

NHL draftees are usually 18 years old, and Kubalik is 23. At this age, he is much more of a known quantity than an 18 year old. I would assume they did enough due diligence before making the trade, and I would hope that he is better than 10% to do just that.

Are they still allowed to talk to Hossa about this stuff, or do they have to wait until his contract expires?

This was about Saad. Also, I don't want him traded, but said if they did, it should be for a top 4 dman
- tvetter

Edmonton is not trading drasatil excuse the spelling.

Good, ‘cause he’s gonna’ see a lot of rubber, playing behind all those rookie 3rd round picks. You think the HD shots against are high now, just wait for that sh*t show.
- scottak

The poor man may not make it out alive.

Red font off for a sec....

I just looked at drafts over a 10 year period, from 1997-2006, and the back of the napkin estimate has about 1 in 10 5th rounders having at least a 5 year NHL career. So about 9 in 10 are AHL fodder indeed.

NHL draftees are usually 18 years old, and Kubalik is 23. At this age, he is much more of a known quantity than an 18 year old. I would assume they did enough due diligence before making the trade, and I would hope that he is better than 10% to do just that.

Are they still allowed to talk to Hossa about this stuff, or do they have to wait until his contract expires?
- 333inthe3rd

What is the rate on 3rd rounders? Cause we apparently have a poopload of them.

And Hossa is a Slovak. Isn't this guy a Czech?

This was about Saad. Also, I don't want him traded, but said if they did, it should be for a top 4 dman
- tvetter

I think it's possible to get a Nurse or something for Saad, but I honestly have no idea what Edmonton problem is that they suck. They have offense and great defense with Nurse, Klefbom, and a couple of others and their goaltending seems decent. They have some of the top talent in scoring in the league so I dont know what their issue is. If we could clone Hjarmlson 3 or 4 times we would be amazing. Or bring in another Johnny Oduya in their prime we'd probably solve our problems. We also need to Probably find another offenseman Hossa or two who can put points on the board, like 40-60pts a year and play great defense. I think our problem lately has been Stan Bowman has been going out and getting reclamation projects and defenseman that are offensive minded and offenseman that are strictly Offense with no defense. Think patrick Kane defense because Kane is terrible defensively. I think if we found these we would be fine, but it may be difficult to lond any of that without parting with Talent.

I don't see Keith or Seabrook going anywhere no matter what as the Hawks I think are trying to change the reputation that the hawks don't treat their own home talent well because our current owners dad ran the reputation of the team into the ground. Roenick, Larmer, Belfour, and several others. I see Seabrook and Keith retiring when their contracts run out. They are both still good defensemen but they are not top tier guys so cutting a few minutes off them would help, but we don't have anyone with any defense to take their spots. So we are stuck with them having gaffes every so often.

I also think we do need another agitator like Shaw to piss off the other teams with trash talking to get more penalties. I don't necessarily see Crawford coming back this year and I can potentially consider that his career may be over. Concussions are never an easy thing to deal with and the way Craw played even when he came back wasn't Stellar. I think he just came back to help the team, but I think he disappears from the league kind of like Jeff Hackett did with his issue of vertigo or whatever. The hawks will probably look to move his contract in the offseason or put him on IR and use the extra funds to go get someone to help other needs after the season starts. I'd be okay with the young kid taking the reins and seeing what he has. He seems to want to continue to get better so I think he could potentially be our goalie of the future.

Red font off for a sec....

I just looked at drafts over a 10 year period, from 1997-2006, and the back of the napkin estimate has about 1 in 10 5th rounders having at least a 5 year NHL career. So about 9 in 10 are AHL fodder indeed.

NHL draftees are usually 18 years old, and Kubalik is 23. At this age, he is much more of a known quantity than an 18 year old. I would assume they did enough due diligence before making the trade, and I would hope that he is better than 10% to do just that.

Are they still allowed to talk to Hossa about this stuff, or do they have to wait until his contract expires?
- 333inthe3rd

Hossa is from Slovakia. Kubalík is from the Czech Republic. Not sure of the connection.

Can someone clear this up for me? Who is left that hasn't been traded today? I lost track along the way.
- Elbows15

I think AA may have been traded 4 times! By the same guy!