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EbonyRaptor
Joined: 03.28.2013

Jan 24 @ 10:33 AM ET
I'd make a couple of changes

Panarin-Hughes-Kane
Debrincat-Strome-Kahun
Dzingel-Toews-Stone
Drake-Kadri-kampf

Hillman-Johki
Beaudin-boqvist
Dalstrom-Murphy

Delia

- Taylorst1


Wait ... why stop at only signing free agents Panarin, Stone, Dzingel and Kadri? I say we don't do half measures and also sign Skinner, Duchene, Karlsson, Stralman, Hainsey, Lehner and Bobrovsky.

Panarin-Toews-Kane
DeBrincat-Strome-Stone
Dzingel-Duchene-Hughes
Saad-Kadri-Skinner

Keith-Karlsson
Hainsey-Stralman
Murphy-Jokiharju

Lehner
Bobrovsky


Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 24 @ 10:34 AM ET
Hawks have a glut of Dmen when everyone is healthy, agreeing Seabs is immovable, many are prospects and many are 3rd pairing types, the pipeline is full of them. Add the organIzational weakness is at forward moving a Dman would be dealing from strength.

If you are gonna trade Gus do so when his value is at its peak. But realize you won't replace his PP contribution in house thru next yr in all likelihood.

- Mr Ricochet




I agree on your point of Seabrook being here til retirement but you never know. My guess and from all the chatter is the most obvious would be Keith. A lot of GMs want his service he would bring back cap relief for the future and a prospect or pick and possibly a nhl ready forward.

Gus is more about cap control for Chicago an as well as knowing what they have.

Murphy could be the dark horse traded but I think Chicago likes his play , he is cost control as well .

Forsling wouldnt get you the return that Chicago really needs and that's future cap relief and a nhl ready forward and pick.
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 24 @ 10:38 AM ET
Wait ... why stop at only signing free agents Panarin, Stone, Dzingel and Kadri? I say we don't do half measures and also sign Skinner, Duchene, Karlsson, Stralman, Hainsey, Lehner and Bobrovsky.

Panarin-Toews-Kane
DeBrincat-Strome-Stone
Dzingel-Duchene-Hughes
Saad-Kadri-Skinner

Keith-Karlsson
Hainsey-Stralman
Murphy-Jokiharju

Lehner
Bobrovsky



- EbonyRaptor

my lineup was based on Keith to Toronto for kadri who replaces anismov

And saad and anismov moving out for cap relief

Dzingel signed for 4.5 million
Stone at 8.2
And panarin 9million
Then moving Seabrook to a team needing to hit the cap floor with a future pick.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location:
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 24 @ 10:45 AM ET
my lineup was based on Keith to Toronto for kadri who replaces anismov

And saad and anismov moving out for cap relief

Dzingel signed for 4.5 million
Stone at 8.2
And panarin 9million
Then moving Seabrook to a team needing to hit the cap floor with a future pick.

- Taylorst1

If it was all so easy.

So let's see ...

You know a team will take on Seabrook.
You're sure the Leafs will trade Kadri for Keith
You're certain the Hawks will draft Hughes.
You're know a team will take on AA even though he's only worth a ball of lint
You're certain 3 rookies and a sophomore who is still learning the ropes in the NHL will "rise to the occasion"
You know Panarin will sign with the Hawks for a good contract.

You should be the GM of the hawks, you'd obviously do better than Bowman.
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Jan 24 @ 10:57 AM ET
If it was all so easy.

So let's see ...

You know a team will take on Seabrook.
You're sure the Leafs will trade Kadri for Keith
You're certain the Hawks will draft Hughes.
You're know a team will take on AA even though he's only worth a ball of lint
You're certain 3 rookies and a sophomore who is still learning the ropes in the NHL will "rise to the occasion"
You know Panarin will sign with the Hawks for a good contract.

You should be the GM of the hawks, you'd obviously do better than Bowman.

- paulr

Not a high bar...#StanBlowman
Savetheembers33
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.23.2017

Jan 24 @ 11:02 AM ET
Boqvist looks very good when he has the puck. Without the puck he's very average but improving. He's also adverse to body contact and will on occasion give up the puck to avoid a hit. Remind you of anyone currently on the Blackhawks, without the improving defense part?

Development is essential for any player, especially a defenseman. Boqvsit should spend at least a part of the season in Rockford to learn to play against men.

- paulr


To be fair, Joki didn't spend any time in Rockford and is learning on the fly with the Hawks. Granted he's a better defensively sounded D-man but I think the Hawks are gonna think that they can help him develop that aspect of his game by learning from Keith, Seabrook, and Brookbank day in and day out. I've been saying it for a few months that Boqvist is gonna start next year with the Hawks
kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

Jan 24 @ 11:08 AM ET
AA is not getting you a 1st. Maybe a 3rd. JC really needs to put him on different line. what is he doing. he should be playing Wing on the 1st line or wing or center the 3rd line. If JC wants this team to be better next year they need to do things to set it up this year. is AA really worse then Kampf or Caggulia ETC? its not like he is taking CAT or STrome's place. AA should also be on the 2nd unit PP he has always been good at getting in front of the net and scoring goals. JC is killing his value. Gus will get a bigger return then AA.
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: A new era of Blackhawks hockey
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jan 24 @ 11:10 AM ET
DeBrinc t

Just like Sh rp and Se brook before him.

- Ogilthorpe2



I don't recall the cry for stripping the A off of Seabs sweater...
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jan 24 @ 11:11 AM ET
I agree on your point of Seabrook being here til retirement but you never know. My guess and from all the chatter is the most obvious would be Keith. A lot of GMs want his service he would bring back cap relief for the future and a prospect or pick and possibly a nhl ready forward.

Gus is more about cap control for Chicago an as well as knowing what they have.

Murphy could be the dark horse traded but I think Chicago likes his play , he is cost control as well .

Forsling wouldnt get you the return that Chicago really needs and that's future cap relief and a nhl ready forward and pick.

- Taylorst1



There is no way the Hawks are trading Murphy. Probably their best defensemen since coming back from injury. He is young (25) and cost controlled and the Hawks don't have another guy like him in the pipeline. He is long, plays with an edge, and is a solid skater for his size.

He should be the rock on the Hawks backend for the next 5-6 years.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I love sarcasm.
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jan 24 @ 11:12 AM ET
For obvious reasons Taylor Raddysh from TB.

I'd like to see the Hawks trade Ward, Krueger, Kunitz, Forsling and Saad. I'd do a straight up Forsling for Raddysh trade but doubt TB would take on that project and i doubt his ceiling is much higher than what he's already shown.

- Hawksfan74



Stan should have drafted Raddysh (6'3") instead of DeBrincat (smurf) or Krys (college bust). I'd be all for acquiring Raddysh, but I don't if Tampa would want Forsling. They dealt Koekkoek because they had too many d-men, I doubt they want another.
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: A new era of Blackhawks hockey
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jan 24 @ 11:12 AM ET
Wait ... why stop at only signing free agents Panarin, Stone, Dzingel and Kadri? I say we don't do half measures and also sign Skinner, Duchene, Karlsson, Stralman, Hainsey, Lehner and Bobrovsky.

Panarin-Toews-Kane
DeBrincat-Strome-Stone
Dzingel-Duchene-Hughes
Saad-Kadri-Skinner

Keith-Karlsson
Hainsey-Stralman
Murphy-Jokiharju

Lehner
Bobrovsky



- EbonyRaptor


Which is your preferred platform? x-box or playstation?
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I love sarcasm.
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jan 24 @ 11:13 AM ET
I don't recall the cry for stripping the A off of Seabs sweater...
- Beaver-Warrior



That's because you're old and forgetful.
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jan 24 @ 11:14 AM ET
Interesting you bring that up. Last year Leddy was a minus 42 (and was a minus the 2 previous years). This year so far a plus 3.
Last year Karlsson was a minus 25. This year a plus 5.
What changed? Coaching. System. Culture.

These are guys older than Gus and with much more experience that have improved their defensive stats dramatically with only a slight decline in their offensive numbers. So there still is hope for Gus.

I am not saying the plus minus is a great stat to judge defenders by. There are many things that affect that. But I think it is easy to see that a defender can adapt to a system and go from a defensive liability to being a decent defensive player.

- -Doh-

Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 24 @ 11:20 AM ET
If it was all so easy.

So let's see ...

You know a team will take on Seabrook.
You're sure the Leafs will trade Kadri for Keith
You're certain the Hawks will draft Hughes.
You're know a team will take on AA even though he's only worth a ball of lint
You're certain 3 rookies and a sophomore who is still learning the ropes in the NHL will "rise to the occasion"
You know Panarin will sign with the Hawks for a good contract.

You should be the GM of the hawks, you'd obviously do better than Bowman.

- paulr



Opinions are like bumholes everyone has one
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Jan 24 @ 11:20 AM ET
Which us your preferred platform? x-box or playstation?
- Beaver-Warrior

Right?
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Jan 24 @ 11:21 AM ET
I don't recall the cry for stripping the A off of Seabs sweater...
- Beaver-Warrior

If you pull the whole Sweater off, the A comes with it.
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 24 @ 11:23 AM ET
There is no way the Hawks are trading Murphy. Probably their best defensemen since coming back from injury. He is young (25) and cost controlled and the Hawks don't have another guy like him in the pipeline. He is long, plays with an edge, and is a solid skater for his size.

He should be the rock on the Hawks backend for the next 5-6 years.

- bhawks2241




I agree with everything you said , that's what i wrote, butmi also mentioned he could be the darkhorse trade that stan makes . The obvious trade is Keith.

Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Jan 24 @ 11:26 AM ET
To be fair, Joki didn't spend any time in Rockford and is learning on the fly with the Hawks. Granted he's a better defensively sounded D-man but I think the Hawks are gonna think that they can help him develop that aspect of his game by learning from Keith, Seabrook, and Brookbank day in and day out. I've been saying it for a few months that Boqvist is gonna start next year with the Hawks
- Savetheembers33




That's what I keep reading in most articles that boquisvt will be playing next year.

The only way that happens is for Stan to open up a roster spot.

TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jan 24 @ 11:27 AM ET
Interesting you bring that up. Last year Leddy was a minus 42 (and was a minus the 2 previous years). This year so far a plus 3.
Last year Karlsson was a minus 25. This year a plus 5.
What changed? Coaching. System. Culture.

These are guys older than Gus and with much more experience that have improved their defensive stats dramatically with only a slight decline in their offensive numbers. So there still is hope for Gus.

I am not saying the plus minus is a great stat to judge defenders by. There are many things that affect that. But I think it is easy to see that a defender can adapt to a system and go from a defensive liability to being a decent defensive player.

- -Doh-


Realistically speaking, neither one of these players is a good comparison for Gus.

I have never been a Leddy fan/supporter, but at his absolute worst he is still a better defender than Gus, and it's not even close. Leddy has improved marginally in his own end, though he still makes a lot of the mistakes he always has.

In the case of Karlsson, his offensive abilities are way better than Gus. He is not as dominant as he was before his injuries, but still at or near the top in the league. In addition he also is/was much better in his own zone than Gus,

Can Gus be better in his own end, I would hope so. Can some of it have to do with coaching/system/culture, sure. Can some of it be covered up by better goaltending, yes.

The million dollar question is where does the line between offensive asset v. defensive liability lie, can he move that line, what value does he bring in a trade coupled with can he be replaced by someone already in the system.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location:
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 24 @ 11:27 AM ET
Opinions are like bumholes everyone has one

- Taylorst1

And some people are .... I think that is what you're trying to convey?
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: A new era of Blackhawks hockey
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jan 24 @ 11:29 AM ET
That's because you're old and forgetful.
- DarthKane


Thank you sonnyboy, I knew I missing something. Now where are my old age pills...
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jan 24 @ 11:30 AM ET
If it was all so easy.

So let's see ...

You know a team will take on Seabrook.
You're sure the Leafs will trade Kadri for Keith
You're certain the Hawks will draft Hughes.
You're know a team will take on AA even though he's only worth a ball of lint
You're certain 3 rookies and a sophomore who is still learning the ropes in the NHL will "rise to the occasion"
You know Panarin will sign with the Hawks for a good contract.

You should be the GM of the hawks, you'd obviously do better than Bowman.

- paulr


It's easy, NHL19 has no problem doing it..........................OH, you mean in real life........yeah, not so easy.
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: A new era of Blackhawks hockey
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jan 24 @ 11:32 AM ET
If you pull the whole Sweater off, the A comes with it.
- Ogilthorpe2


Indeed,indeed. You ever think they gave the C to wrong guy? As in Seabs should have been the Captain of the Hawks...
CanOCorn
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: The OP, IL
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jan 24 @ 11:33 AM ET
I agree on your point of Seabrook being here til retirement but you never know. My guess and from all the chatter is the most obvious would be Keith. A lot of GMs want his service he would bring back cap relief for the future and a prospect or pick and possibly a nhl ready forward.

Gus is more about cap control for Chicago an as well as knowing what they have.

Murphy could be the dark horse traded but I think Chicago likes his play , he is cost control as well .

Forsling wouldnt get you the return that Chicago really needs and that's future cap relief and a nhl ready forward and pick.

- Taylorst1


The Hawks aren't in cap hell like they used to be. Please remember that when posting. The cap is going to continue going up, even in $3- $4 million dollar increments. One or two of the bigger contracts will get moved out in the next year or two...maybe a buyout with the new CBA or to Seattle with a sweetener.

Also, all this talk of what a player is worth...not just from you, but from everyone...is madness.

A player is worth whatever they are traded for at the time. Manning and Norell were worth Caggiula and Garrison to Chiarelli. That was Manning and Norell's worth on that day. Schmaltz was worth Strome and Perlini...on that day. Vermette was worth a 1st and Dahlbeck...on that day.

If AA is traded...then he will be worth whatever the other team is willing to give Stan or what Stan accepts on that day.

paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location:
Joined: 06.26.2011

Jan 24 @ 11:36 AM ET
To be fair, Joki didn't spend any time in Rockford and is learning on the fly with the Hawks. Granted he's a better defensively sounded D-man but I think the Hawks are gonna think that they can help him develop that aspect of his game by learning from Keith, Seabrook, and Brookbank day in and day out. I've been saying it for a few months that Boqvist is gonna start next year with the Hawks
- Savetheembers33

Joki would be better off learning in the AHL where he takes a regular shift and isn't benched for mistakes or is a healthy scratch. Keith learned how to play in the AHL and it paid off for him in a big way in the NHL. With the exceptiion of the real elite players the AHL is vital to develop talent.
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