Peter Tessier: Looking ahead to Jets trade deadline options A long read with some data on who and what the Jets might look at as they run up to the trade deadline.

The Jets shouldn't sell their future for most of these rentals It would be great to acquire Edler for no more than a 2nd, Muzzin or Duchene who would cost way too much, but would help. The rest are not that much of an improvement over what the team has now. Hopefully the Jets keep playing Niku and Lemieux and they continue to improve. Move Roslovic to center as he will be their #2 center soon enough. See what he can do until the trade deadline. If teams want to stay on top they can't mortgage their future for a piece that often doesn't help win a cup.

The Muzzin idea makes some sense, maybe Hayes - but as always depends on what we give, who we take ice time from and the role required.

Outside the box - how close is Anaheim to 'blowing it up' and starting the rebuild? They may be close to being a playoff team but don't look like contenders and won't be due to decline of Perry and Kesler. If so what would it take to acquire Getzlaf? (33yo - about 8.25 cap hit for two years after this year, actual pay is less)

Some salary would have to go back, prospect and pick. They will want some youth, skill and speed, don't need defense.

To me Getzlaf is the ideal #2 (1b) center for Jets. Playoff beast, can play all situations and would give the Jets the 2nd best middle in the league.

Connor-Sheifle-Wheeler
Little-Getzlaf-Laine
Tanev-Lowry-Perreault
Lemieux-Roslovic-Appleton-Copp

Bring Alex Steen home.

He can play all 3 forward positions, up & down the lineup, as well as the PK & PP.

Plus he's a Winnipeg boy, & I'm sure his best buddy Stastny gave positive reviews about playing there.

He's signed for 2 yrs beyond this season.

first for the record I am not a Morrow fan, but am I the only one who finds it funny that on here and in Jets Twitter verse where Analytics seem to be worshiped that the only evidence of Niku being better than Morrow during this time together is the "eye test"

2 comments I've made before that I am re-posting:

THE NEED: second line centre and a left side Dman

THE QUOTE: Burke commented one night on the tele they used 10 starting Dmen in the playoffs when they won the cup in Anaheim ... TEN !!!

Start counting:

1. Morrissey
2. Trouba
3. Byfuglien
4. Chariot
5. Myers
6. Kulikov

7. Morrow
8. Niku
9. Poolman
10. Schilling
11. Nogier


That's with everyone healthy to start to playoffs after playing 34 in 68 ... gimme at least 1 Dman more and he should be a lefty ... Muzzin ... if another can be dragged in for depth - drag 'em

We have ore wingers than you can shake a stick at ... let's count centre's:

1. Scheifele
2. Little
3. Lowry
4. Copp

5. Shaw
6. Spacek
7. Roslovic ?
8. Appleton ?

I see - for the playoff push - a need between 1 and 2 - or - 2 and 3 ... Duchesne on rental

Now ... in Chevy I trust ... h may have another rabbit in the hat or two ... who knows !

The Muzzin idea makes some sense, maybe Hayes - but as always depends on what we give, who we take ice time from and the role required.

Outside the box - how close is Anaheim to 'blowing it up' and starting the rebuild? They may be close to being a playoff team but don't look like contenders and won't be due to decline of Perry and Kesler. If so what would it take to acquire Getzlaf? (33yo - about 8.25 cap hit for two years after this year, actual pay is less)

Some salary would have to go back, prospect and pick. They will want some youth, skill and speed, don't need defense.

To me Getzlaf is the ideal #2 (1b) center for Jets. Playoff beast, can play all situations and would give the Jets the 2nd best middle in the league.

Connor-Sheifle-Wheeler
Little-Getzlaf-Laine
Tanev-Lowry-Perreault
Lemieux-Roslovic-Appleton-Copp
- 2.0

I think if we are going to trade a 1st round pick, we need to acquire a player that is going to be around longer than just this year. I think we should be aiming for the fences and try to pry a Sean Couturier out of Philadelphia or a Vincent Trochek out of Florida.

When LA won the cup, they traded away Simmonds, Schenn, Jack Johnson and 1st to get Carter and Richards. The Jets are at a similar crossroad.

Also 2.0, you forgot Ehlers

Gotta think we are going all in next month. Really curious to see what that means exactly. But the West is certainly there for the taking if we grab some reinforcements

I think if we are going to trade a 1st round pick, we need to acquire a player that is going to be around longer than just this year. I think we should be aiming for the fences and try to pry a Sean Couturier out of Philadelphia or a Vincent Trochek out of Florida.

When LA won the cup, they traded away Simmonds, Schenn, Jack Johnson and 1st to get Carter and Richards. The Jets are at a similar crossroad.

Also 2.0, you forgot Ehlers

- TheUltimateJet

didn't forget him. to upgrade you have to give up. Ehlers checks all the boxes that anaheim and jets would need to get it done. (youth, skill, speed, salary, not critical core piece, wing is where depth is)

not a comparable wishlist. Carter and Richards were damaged goods when they arrived in LA, Trocheck&Couturier are studs. Also - Jack Johnson was hype at a Niku (maybe Trouba) level, Schenn was like Vesaleinen, Simmons was a top 6 winger in LA, 1st rounder was closer to 15th overall than 30th overall. My point is that LA gave up a lot to get 2 players many had given up on. They gambled and won - but most often teams lose a gamble like that. Not a chance of prying Trocheck and Couturier out of Florida or Philly without selling the farm. Trying to be realistic about trade proposals.

2 comments I've made before that I am re-posting:

THE NEED: second line centre and a left side Dman

THE QUOTE: Burke commented one night on the tele they used 10 starting Dmen in the playoffs when they won the cup in Anaheim ... TEN !!!

Start counting:

1. Morrissey
2. Trouba
3. Byfuglien
4. Chariot
5. Myers
6. Kulikov

7. Morrow
8. Niku
9. Poolman
10. Schilling
11. Nogier


That's with everyone healthy to start to playoffs after playing 34 in 68 ... gimme at least 1 Dman more and he should be a lefty ... Muzzin ... if another can be dragged in for depth - drag 'em

We have ore wingers than you can shake a stick at ... let's count centre's:

1. Scheifele
2. Little
3. Lowry
4. Copp

5. Shaw
6. Spacek
7. Roslovic ?
8. Appleton ?

I see - for the playoff push - a need between 1 and 2 - or - 2 and 3 ... Duchesne on rental

Now ... in Chevy I trust ... h may have another rabbit in the hat or two ... who knows !
- CorydonKeith

Good post - wing is the position of strength for us to deal from. Agree that biggest need is at #2 center, and depth d with possible influence by Trouba's coming decision. I don't think we need to plan for 10 d in the playoffs, that sounds like an exceptional number and not the norm. In Chevy we trust.

A name I forgot to add was Silfverberg. He might get some attention but his underlying numbers are a bit iffy. Could be due to being on Anaheim though.

If we were to ship Trouba + to L.A. for Muzzin and Martinez...

... what would we have to add to Trouba?

Their salaries are reasonable, and they're locked up for another 2 and 1 years respectively.

I've got horrible Winnipeg bias, so wondering... Trouba + First rounder + ? for those guys?

If we were to ship Trouba + to L.A. for Muzzin and Martinez...

... what would we have to add to Trouba?

Their salaries are reasonable, and they're locked up for another 2 and 1 years respectively.

I've got horrible Winnipeg bias, so wondering... Trouba + First rounder + ? for those guys?
- Lav5000

Trouba for both is a Winnipeg overpay. You’re trading a 24 year old top pairing dman for a 29 year old 2nd pairing dman and a 31 year old bottom pairing dman. They’re both making 4mil, but the wrong one has the term advantage.
This is an assessment from someone who owns an Alec Martinez jersey

The Muzzin idea makes some sense, maybe Hayes - but as always depends on what we give, who we take ice time from and the role required.

Outside the box - how close is Anaheim to 'blowing it up' and starting the rebuild? They may be close to being a playoff team but don't look like contenders and won't be due to decline of Perry and Kesler. If so what would it take to acquire Getzlaf? (33yo - about 8.25 cap hit for two years after this year, actual pay is less)

Some salary would have to go back, prospect and pick. They will want some youth, skill and speed, don't need defense.

To me Getzlaf is the ideal #2 (1b) center for Jets. Playoff beast, can play all situations and would give the Jets the 2nd best middle in the league.

Connor-Sheifle-Wheeler
Little-Getzlaf-Laine
Tanev-Lowry-Perreault
Lemieux-Roslovic-Appleton-Copp
- 2.0

Getzlaf is a no. Too much money for too long at too old an age. He’s not worth what Ehlers is, and he will not be the better player in two years time, if he even is now

Trouba for both is a Winnipeg overpay. You’re trading a 24 year old top pairing dman for a 29 year old 2nd pairing dman and a 31 year old bottom pairing dman. They’re both making 4mil, but the wrong one has the term advantage.
This is an assessment from someone who owns an Alec Martinez jersey
- Rexypoo

Huh, interesting assessment. I see Muzzin as a more solid defenseman TBH, with a bit more hockey sense... and true, I'd rather have him around longer than Martinez.

I'm also sick and tired of all the drama around Trouba.

My take is that it would add some cost certainty around the D-core for the next couple of years, allow us to get rid of Trouba's $6-7 million ask, and also be able to get rid of Myers with Niku moving up. Overall less money spent on D, allowing us to sign Wheeler et. al. easier.

didn't forget him. to upgrade you have to give up. Ehlers checks all the boxes that anaheim and jets would need to get it done. (youth, skill, speed, salary, not critical core piece, wing is where depth is)

not a comparable wishlist. Carter and Richards were damaged goods when they arrived in LA, Trocheck&Couturier are studs. Also - Jack Johnson was hype at a Niku (maybe Trouba) level, Schenn was like Vesaleinen, Simmons was a top 6 winger in LA, 1st rounder was closer to 15th overall than 30th overall. My point is that LA gave up a lot to get 2 players many had given up on. They gambled and won - but most often teams lose a gamble like that. Not a chance of prying Trocheck and Couturier out of Florida or Philly without selling the farm. Trying to be realistic about trade proposals.
- 2.0

I would much prefer to trade Laine over Ehlers. Laine might score goals when someone is feeding him the puck, otherwise he's an ineffective player. Can't generate his own offense and does not make players around him better.

Ehlers is cost controlled and will be a bargain at 6 million a season. Ehlers also has better zone entries and does have the ability to make players that play with him better. I see him as a Paul Kariya - Pavel Bure type of player.

If I am making a trade, I am doing Laine to Philly for Couturier and Provorov!

Huh, interesting assessment. I see Muzzin as a more solid defenseman TBH, with a bit more hockey sense... and true, I'd rather have him around longer than Martinez.

I'm also sick and tired of all the drama around Trouba.

My take is that it would add some cost certainty around the D-core for the next couple of years, allow us to get rid of Trouba's $6-7 million ask, and also be able to get rid of Myers with Niku moving up. Overall less money spent on D, allowing us to sign Wheeler et. al. easier.
- Lav5000

Trouba could sign a long term contract anytime after January 1, 2019. Its January 21, 2019 today and still no long-term contract. Its pretty clear to me that after two stints as a RFA and now being eligible to sign long-term and still no contract, he does not want to be here long term.

I would much prefer to trade Laine over Ehlers. Laine might score goals when someone is feeding him the puck, otherwise he's an ineffective player. Can't generate his own offense and does not make players around him better.

Ehlers is cost controlled and will be a bargain at 6 million a season. Ehlers also has better zone entries and does have the ability to make players that play with him better. I see him as a Paul Kariya - Pavel Bure type of player.

If I am making a trade, I am doing Laine to Philly for Couturier and Provorov!
- TheUltimateJet

In some ways I don't disagree with you about Laine vs Ehlers, however, they will find a way to get Laine the puck and he will score a ton of goals in this league. I love having Ehlers around but he is a luxury the jets don't need to win hockey games. I don't see him reaching Bure or Kariya levels. He may figure out how to put up Gaudreau or Kane kind of numbers someday, but more likely to settle in around the 70-80 point mark.

Trouba could sign a long term contract anytime after January 1, 2019. Its January 21, 2019 today and still no long-term contract. Its pretty clear to me that after two stints as a RFA and now being eligible to sign long-term and still no contract, he does not want to be here long term.
- TheUltimateJet

Well... I would give him a bit more of a grace period T.U.J., but I'm with you... I honestly don't see him here past this year.

While I pretend I'm working, I'm trying out the SKATR site, and comparing Muzzin vs. Trouba... haven't brought up Martinez yet... Muzzin and Trouba are damned close. Gonna play some more.

... I just don't like Trouba...

Peter Tessier: Looking ahead to Jets trade deadline options
A long read with some data on who and what the Jets might look at as they run up to the trade deadline.
- Peter.Tessier

Trouba for Suter, and trade away this years 1st for a quality #2C. This team is already stacked, and their only achilles appears to be their reliance on Scheifs. Add another Centre (Douchene) and watch this team roll!

Well... I would give him a bit more of a grace period T.U.J., but I'm with you... I honestly don't see him here past this year.

While I pretend I'm working, I'm trying out the SKATR site, and comparing Muzzin vs. Trouba... haven't brought up Martinez yet... Muzzin and Trouba are damned close. Gonna play some more.

... I just don't like Trouba...
- Lav5000

I still don't see what everyone else sees in Trouba. He is an amazing skater, unfortunately most of his skates are hanging his head low as he leaves the penalty box. His vision is not great, point production is mediocre, contract disputes have been as bad as anyone of recent years. Yes he is big, and can skate, but I have yet to see him put everything together, and it's his 6th season. The guy needs to be dealt while his value is still very high.

Side note: should the Jets pull a Yzerman, and ink Brossoit to a multi year extension around 2M AAV, then turn around and trade Hellebuyck. I am guessing to hear an overwhleming NO, as Brossoit really doesn't have enough games under his belt to be trusted for the long haul.

Trouba for Suter, and trade away this years 1st for a quality #2C. This team is already stacked, and their only achilles appears to be their reliance on Scheifs. Add another Centre (Douchene) and watch this team roll!
- bikeguy99

Horrific trade. I wouldn’t take Suter and his deal for a 7th rounder. Lots and lots of miles on that guy.

I would much prefer to trade Laine over Ehlers. Laine might score goals when someone is feeding him the puck, otherwise he's an ineffective player. Can't generate his own offense and does not make players around him better.

Ehlers is cost controlled and will be a bargain at 6 million a season. Ehlers also has better zone entries and does have the ability to make players that play with him better. I see him as a Paul Kariya - Pavel Bure type of player.

If I am making a trade, I am doing Laine to Philly for Couturier and Provorov!
- TheUltimateJet

No to that trade, but it’s close. Couturier is the perfect 2C for us. Provorov is having a horrific season, though, and I’m not trading Laine for anything.

This wouldn’t even be a discussion if Maurice would apply some testicular fortitude and put Laine up with Scheifele. Wheeler and Scheifele need to be split up now that we’re Ehlers-less

With the funk Florida is in I'd see if they were interested in a Trouba for Ekblad trade. Maybe there is a bigger trade where you could get Trochek or Bjugstad as well. You'd probably be looking at including Roslovic or Appleton then...but maybe thy'd take Petan off our hands as a throw in.

With the funk Florida is in I'd see if they were interested in a Trouba for Ekblad trade. Maybe there is a bigger trade where you could get Trochek or Bjugstad as well. You'd probably be looking at including Roslovic or Appleton then...but maybe thy'd take Petan off our hands as a throw in.
- mcjags

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