Trevor Shackles: Dzingel to the Oilers? It Would Make Sense Ryan Dzingel would be a perfect fit for the Oilers

Dzingel (4 x 4.5), Ceci

FOR

Puljujarvi, Russell, 2nd

Dzingel, Ceci

For

Pulijarvi and 2019 1st

I realize that’s not ideal, but chiarelli is a complete tool (prob the only GM worst than dorion)

I don’t think he’s made a single move since arriving in Edm that could be considered a win. I honestly think he would do that.....and think he won the deal.

Dzingel, Ceci

For

Pulijarvi and 2019 1st

I realize that’s not ideal, but chiarelli is a complete tool (prob the only GM worst than dorion)

I don’t think he’s made a single move since arriving in Edm that could be considered a win. I honestly think he would do that.....and think he won the deal.
- sensarmy_11

So basically...

Dzingel, Ceci and Ryan

for

Yamo, Lucic and Russell

So basically...

Dzingel, Ceci and Ryan

for

Yamo, Lucic and Russell
- Glak18

A. That would be a good move by chiarelli, we all know he’s incapable of that

B. That would mean Ottawa takes on MORE money, we all know melnyk is incapable of that.

C. It means that another team takes on Lucic and that contract.....NOBODY is doing that. Lucic is an Oiler for life. I’d take Ryan and his contract all day every day over Lucic.

Ryan - 7.25 mil for 3 more years, on pace for about 18 goals and 50 pts.

Lucic - 6 mil for 5 more years, on pace for about 7 goals and 20 points.

No brainer.

A. That would be a good move by chiarelli, we all know he’s incapable of that

B. That would mean Ottawa takes on MORE money, we all know melnyk is incapable of that.

C. It means that another team takes on Lucic and that contract.....NOBODY is doing that. Lucic is an Oiler for life. I’d take Ryan and his contract all day every day over Lucic.

Ryan - 7.25 mil for 3 more years, on pace for about 18 goals and 50 pts.

Lucic - 6 mil for 5 more years, on pace for about 7 goals and 20 points.

No brainer.
- sensarmy_11

True on all points made, but my scenario is far more likely to happen than Ceci getting a 1st round pick...

Don't get me wrong if it happens then I can only imagine what Gudas could fetch, 1st and a prospect then? Woah baby awesome sauce.

True on all points made, but my scenario is far more likely to happen than Ceci getting a 1st round pick...

Don't get me wrong if it happens then I can only imagine what Gudas could fetch, 1st and a prospect then? Woah baby awesome sauce.
- Glak18

Cody Ceci is a legit top 4D man on a contending team. He isn't a good fit in Ottawa and needs a change of scenery. Ceci has a skillset, including skating, that Gudas doesn't have.

Ceci would fit perfectly on a team that actually has top pairing D-men (SJ, NSH, TB, etc)

Edm has Larsson Klefbolm so it wouldn't be all on Cody to go out and log 22-24m

Cody Ceci is a legit top 4D man on a contending team. He isn't a good fit in Ottawa and needs a change of scenery. Ceci has a skillset, including skating, that Gudas doesn't have.

Ceci would fit perfectly on a team that actually has top pairing D-men (SJ, NSH, TB, etc)

Edm has Larsson Klefbolm so it wouldn't be all on Cody to go out and log 22-24m
- AlfieisKing

Ummmm....it is the complete opposite. Gudas is a much better skater than Ceci, that's why Ceci is so bad because he skates like he is carrying rocks in his pants. Even Luke Schenn laughs at him.

Cody Ceci is a legit top 4D man on a contending team. He isn't a good fit in Ottawa and needs a change of scenery. Ceci has a skillset, including skating, that Gudas doesn't have.

Ceci would fit perfectly on a team that actually has top pairing D-men (SJ, NSH, TB, etc)

Edm has Larsson Klefbolm so it wouldn't be all on Cody to go out and log 22-24m
- AlfieisKing

Ceci is barely a top six d on the worst defensive team in the league, but you somehow think he’ll be top 4 on a team with actual good dmen???????

The guy is, statistically speaking, a bottom 10 dman in the entire league.....he’s garbage. He’s not one of the 6 best dmen in a d that includes Harpur, borowiecki, and Falk. He gets big minutes, but that speaks to the incompetence of coaching and management, not his ability to play hockey.

We will all wake up tommorow, and Chia pet will have signed Marty Mcscorley and Todd Bertuzzi to PTO's, and trade Connor for a first, and Chris prongers and Nathan Hortons dead weight contracts.

True on all points made, but my scenario is far more likely to happen than Ceci getting a 1st round pick...

Don't get me wrong if it happens then I can only imagine what Gudas could fetch, 1st and a prospect then? Woah baby awesome sauce.
- Glak18

Oh, I don’t think he’s worth a 1st. I think Dzingel is worth a 1st and I think chiarelli (and only him) is stupid enough to give up pulijarvi for Ceci.

Hard pass. If you take Spooner, then it's close, but the team can't afford to take on any cap (current or future) without some going back.

Ceci is barely a top six d on the worst defensive team in the league, but you somehow think he’ll be top 4 on a team with actual good dmen???????

The guy is, statistically speaking, a bottom 10 dman in the entire league.....he’s garbage. He’s not one of the 6 best dmen in a d that includes Harpur, borowiecki, and Falk. He gets big minutes, but that speaks to the incompetence of coaching and management, not his ability to play hockey.
- sensarmy_11

C'mon. I want to trade the guy too, but none of the guys you listed can play 22 mins in the NHL and score 25 points in a season.

Every single D-man on Ottawa is playing out of their spot. I think he still has all the ability to be a 2nd pairing guy (4th Dman) on a contender. No question.

It's his hockey sense and chemistry that is affecting him more so than his abilities.
With Boro, he's a solid defensive dman but doesn't belong in the top 4 ever.

Oh, I don’t think he’s worth a 1st. I think Dzingel is worth a 1st and I think chiarelli (and only him) is stupid enough to give up pulijarvi for Ceci.
- sensarmy_11

Hmmm interesting take. Now that you put it that way...

Trying to pull a JvR for Luke Schenn or Hall for Larsson. Ok your offer is acceptable knowing Chia is dumb enough to do it twice.

C'mon. I want to trade the guy too, but none of the guys you listed can play 22 mins in the NHL and score 25 points in a season.

Every single D-man on Ottawa is playing out of their spot. I think he still has all the ability to be a 2nd pairing guy (4th Dman) on a contender. No question.

It's his hockey sense and chemistry that is affecting him more so than his abilities.
With Boro, he's a solid defensive dman but doesn't belong in the top 4 ever.
- AlfieisKing

That's a pretty good sales job there, I am going to borrow it for Andrew MacDonald.

Hmmm interesting take. Now that you put it that way...

Trying to pull a JvR for Luke Schenn or Hall for Larsson. Ok your offer is acceptable knowing Chia is dumb enough to do it twice.
- Glak18

He’s already done it more than once.....

Eberle for strome

Seguin for a bag of pucks

Hall for larsson

Wheeler for peverly


The only trade he’s ever won was the Jessel trade, but he turned around and pissed away all of those assets with nothing to show for it.

IMO he’s one of the 3 worst GMs in history (or at least since expansion):

Chiarelli, milbury, nonis

C'mon. I want to trade the guy too, but none of the guys you listed can play 22 mins in the NHL and score 25 points in a season.

Every single D-man on Ottawa is playing out of their spot. I think he still has all the ability to be a 2nd pairing guy (4th Dman) on a contender. No question.

It's his hockey sense and chemistry that is affecting him more so than his abilities.
With Boro, he's a solid defensive dman but doesn't belong in the top 4 ever.
- AlfieisKing

Dude, he’s (frank)ing awful, and you’re blind if you can’t see it. No matter who he plays against he gets DOMINATED and hemmed in his own end. Every partner he’s ever had has been better statistically away from him than with him.

He put up decent points once, when gonchar was his partner. Even then he was still a train wreck in his own end.

Give it up man. The guy SUCKS and nothing you say will convince anyone that he doesn’t.

He’s already done it more than once.....

Eberle for strome

Seguin for a bag of pucks

Hall for larsson

Wheeler for peverly


The only trade he’s ever won was the Jessel trade, but he turned around and pissed away all of those assets with nothing to show for it.

IMO he’s one of the 3 worst GMs in history (or at least since expansion):

Chiarelli, milbury, nonis
- sensarmy_11

Agreed and everyone knows about Chia's past, but the same can be said about Dorion as well (obviously not as bad). Edmonton isn't the only team in the league, if you think other teams will be going off Edmonton's past experience you will be disappointed again. Many teams have learned from the stupidity of the Flyers with the Luke Schenn trade and will more likely do everything to avoid doing the same.

If your trading commodities you always want to find the market and timing that matches peak demand for your product. I think Edmonton is a possibility. But, I think the best potential for the best return on Stone, Duchene and Dzingle is to deal them directly into the teeth of their own Conference.

The teams to look at are the Bruins, Canadiens, Islanders and Sabres. The Penguins and Blue Jackets might also be buyers.

Willingness to trade directly into your own Conference increases demand and that is always good.

Dude, he’s (frank)ing awful, and you’re blind if you can’t see it. No matter who he plays against he gets DOMINATED and hemmed in his own end. Every partner he’s ever had has been better statistically away from him than with him.

He put up decent points once, when gonchar was his partner. Even then he was still a train wreck in his own end.

Give it up man. The guy SUCKS and nothing you say will convince anyone that he doesn’t.
- sensarmy_11

Ya, 37 hockey players play more than he does but ya, he must be garbage.

don't get me wrong, I'm not buying a ceci jersey if it's 75% off, but the guy is still an asset whether your able to listen or not.

Ya, 37 hockey players play more than he does but ya, he must be garbage.

don't get me wrong, I'm not buying a ceci jersey if it's 75% off, but the guy is still an asset whether your able to listen or not.
- AlfieisKing

Wait you judge a player by how much they play?



Update: That's what I thought, Luke Schenn played 21+ and 22+ in Toronto.

So basically swap out Toronto with Ottawa and Luke Schenn with Cody Ceci and the comparison is complete.

Ya, 37 hockey players play more than he does but ya, he must be garbage.

don't get me wrong, I'm not buying a ceci jersey if it's 75% off, but the guy is still an asset whether your able to listen or not.
- AlfieisKing

That is like saying Russell is a top 4 D because the Oil constantly play him there, and he averages over 20 min per night; and that would be horribly incorrect. Russell is a decent/good bottom pairing guy. I would much rather have Russell than Ceci. Ceci is Manning level of bad at the hockey.

That is like saying Russell is a top 4 D because the Oil constantly play him there, and he averages over 20 min per night; and that would be horribly incorrect. Russell is a decent/good bottom pairing guy. I would much rather have Russell than Ceci. Ceci is Luke Schenn level of bad at the hockey.
- Beergu

Had to fix it, not a fan of Manning and he never played many minutes, but he at least provided a little something twice a year.

Oh, I don’t think he’s worth a 1st. I think Dzingel is worth a 1st and I think chiarelli (and only him) is stupid enough to give up pulijarvi for Ceci.

I think Dzingel could easily fetch a first, but I don't know if on a team like Edmonton that may miss the playoffs. It's chia though so who knows.

Man, him and Mcdavid would be a fast as hell line.

That is like saying Russell is a top 4 D because the Oil constantly play him there, and he averages over 20 min per night; and that would be horribly incorrect. Russell is a decent/good bottom pairing guy. I would much rather have Russell than Ceci. Ceci is Manning level of bad at the hockey.
- Beergu

I mean, he IS capable of top-4 play but may be BETTER suited to bottom pairing play. He's certainly not completely out of his element the way Ceci is. A player doesn't consistently positively or neutrally impact his team's GF% (excluding last year) while playing top-4 minutes and an equal proportion of minutes against the opposition's best without being a capable (but flawed) top-4 Dman.