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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Let's Dance!, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 11 @ 2:24 PM ET
That's my issue, he is good around the net when someone else does all the work to get him the puck...it's when he is not around the other teams net is when he hurts the team.
- Glak18



There is no doubt that in the right situation with the right linemates, JvR can produce points. Other than that or if he is not producing, he's just not that good of a hockey player.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jan 11 @ 2:32 PM ET
There is no doubt that in the right situation with the right linemates, JvR can produce points. Other than that or if he is not producing, he's just not that good of a hockey player.
- MJL


Basically. He’s not a difference maker on his own. If you have him on a line with Jordan Weal or Phil Varone, you shouldn’t have any expectation of him. Last night he was playing where he needs to be otherwise, why bother signing him to that kind of money?

My biggest issue is how soft he is. I’ve heard a few people say he can’t handle the puck, which isn’t true at all. His role doesn’t call for him to handle the puck much but he can do it.
easY
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.20.2018

Jan 11 @ 2:36 PM ET
No, you can keep your JvR fan club card.

We have different outlooks on the game, you look at what their boxscores says while I look at how they got their goals and assists, turnovers for chances or goals, defensively coverage, effort and you know things that help successful teams win.

There are actually people who can watch a player have a hideous game, be responsible for multiple goals allowed, but score the OT winner and say they had a great game....seriously those people exist.

- Glak18


Those people don't watch playoff hockey
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 11 @ 2:37 PM ET
There is no doubt that in the right situation with the right linemates, JvR can produce points. Other than that or if he is not producing, he's just not that good of a hockey player.
- MJL


I would say the same thing about Simmonds at this point in his career.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 11 @ 2:38 PM ET
Basically. He’s not a difference maker on his own. If you have him on a line with Jordan Weal or Phil Varone, you shouldn’t have any expectation of him. Last night he was playing where he needs to be otherwise, why bother signing him to that kind of money?

My biggest issue is how soft he is. I’ve heard a few people say he can’t handle the puck, which isn’t true at all. His role doesn’t call for him to handle the puck much but he can do it.

- SuperSchennBros


I honestly think Hextall signed him to be Expansion Draft bait.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Let's Dance!, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 11 @ 2:43 PM ET
I would say the same thing about Simmonds at this point in his career.
- youarewrong



In my opinion Simmonds is a better player than JVR is. I'd rather have Simmonds signed to that deal than JvR.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Loss Counter: 10 to miss playoff, PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 11 @ 2:48 PM ET
There is no doubt that in the right situation with the right linemates, JvR can produce points. Other than that or if he is not producing, he's just not that good of a hockey player.
- MJL


Again that is my issue with him, that can be said about any mediocre player. Just like Raffl getting bumped up to play with Giroux years ago and scoring 20. Look at Alex Chiasson in Edmonton, he didn't magically become a great player. That's great he is taking advantage of the situation, but eventually someone else will come along and do the same thing.

If a team has to change to accommodate one player then that player isn't worth having.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 11 @ 2:49 PM ET
In my opinion Simmonds is a better player than JVR is. I'd rather have Simmonds signed to that deal than JvR.
- MJL


I agree he is better, but a lot of what you said can be applied to Simmonds.
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Jan 11 @ 2:52 PM ET
Again that is my issue with him, that can be said about any mediocre player. Just like Raffl getting bumped up to play with Giroux years ago and scoring 20. Look at Alex Chiasson in Edmonton, he didn't magically become a great player. That's great he is taking advantage of the situation, but eventually someone else will come along and do the same thing.

If a team has to change to accommodate one player then that player isn't worth having.

- Glak18


well CmD and 31% shooting%
He'll come back to earth
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Let's Dance!, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 11 @ 2:54 PM ET
Again that is my issue with him, that can be said about any mediocre player. Just like Raffl getting bumped up to play with Giroux years ago and scoring 20. Look at Alex Chiasson in Edmonton, he didn't magically become a great player. That's great he is taking advantage of the situation, but eventually someone else will come along and do the same thing.

If a team has to change to accommodate one player then that player isn't worth having.

- Glak18



I think there is a big difference between a player like JvR and Raffl. If you could meld the two, you'd have a really good player! LOL. JvR can score 20+ probably in any top 9 role. Play him on a top line that he can find chemistry with and give him PP time, he can score 30+. You have to have a team that can hide a player like that and deal with the deficiencies in his game. You also have to play him in the right situations.

The problem is the Flyers have too many players like that as well as too many grinder type forwards. Need more skill in combination with speed and quickness to balance it out better.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Let's Dance!, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 11 @ 2:54 PM ET
I agree he is better, but a lot of what you said can be applied to Simmonds.
- youarewrong



Agreed. Simmonds is also a player that needs to have the right linemates.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Loss Counter: 10 to miss playoff, PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 11 @ 3:01 PM ET
I think there is a big difference between a player like JvR and Raffl. If you could meld the two, you'd have a really good player! LOL. JvR can score 20+ probably in any top 9 role. Play him on a top line that he can find chemistry with and give him PP time, he can score 30+. You have to have a team that can hide a player like that and deal with the deficiencies in his game. You also have to play him in the right situations.

The problem is the Flyers have too many players like that as well as too many grinder type forwards. Need more skill in combination with speed and quickness to balance it out better.

- MJL


Agreed with most.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Loss Counter: 10 to miss playoff, PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 11 @ 3:02 PM ET
Agreed. Simmonds is also a player that needs to have the right linemates.
- MJL


Yes, but can also fill another role if not scoring.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jan 11 @ 3:13 PM ET
Late but I just read the latest blog. If the Flyers brass do anything like that I'm flipping sh!t.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jan 11 @ 3:21 PM ET
don't want to give up good prospects for Stone, someone posted a list, add Farabee to hell no dont trade
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Loss Counter: 10 to miss playoff, PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jan 11 @ 3:21 PM ET
Late but I just read the latest blog. If the Flyers brass do anything like that I'm flipping sh!t.
- Pelle31Forever


I'm not too worried yet. I have been hearing about all these goalies the Flyers are shopping for, Simmonds getting dealt to everyone, in on this player and that player, trading all prospects...

Yet not one thing has happened. I wouldn't be shocked one bit if the TDL comes and goes and fans are scratching their heads asking why nothing happened.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jan 11 @ 3:42 PM ET
I'm not too worried yet. I have been hearing about all these goalies the Flyers are shopping for, Simmonds getting dealt to everyone, in on this player and that player, trading all prospects...

Yet not one thing has happened. I wouldn't be shocked one bit if the TDL comes and goes and fans are scratching their heads asking why nothing happened.

- Glak18


I could definitely see what you wrote in the 2nd paragraph happen.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 11 @ 3:56 PM ET
I'm not too worried yet. I have been hearing about all these goalies the Flyers are shopping for, Simmonds getting dealt to everyone, in on this player and that player, trading all prospects...

Yet not one thing has happened. I wouldn't be shocked one bit if the TDL comes and goes and fans are scratching their heads asking why nothing happened.

- Glak18


This is my fear. I don’t think everything that needs to get done can occur in the off season. They need to get the ball rolling.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jan 11 @ 4:15 PM ET
Lol Lucic has 2 goals this season
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jan 11 @ 4:17 PM ET
Lol Lucic has 2 goals this season
- bulet13


The heck happened to him? What a drop since his Boston days.
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Jan 11 @ 4:20 PM ET
Looks like Weal is traded to Yotes for a 6th round pick
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 11 @ 4:22 PM ET
Looks like Weal is traded to Yotes for a 6th round pick
- missingmike


Link?
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 11 @ 4:24 PM ET
Weal be gone.....6th round pick from Arizona
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 11 @ 4:25 PM ET
Link?
- jmatchett383



Bill tweeted it from Jeff Marek
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Jan 11 @ 4:25 PM ET
Link?
- jmatchett383


https://twitter.com/hasht...tml%231083834931460141057
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