Trevor Shackles: It Might be Time to Trade Matt Duchene If Duchene isn't going to sign, Ottawa needs to trade him

Duchene is turning 28 in 10 days.

He'll be 30.5 years old just two years into signing his deal.

The Sens won't be contending for at least the next 3 years - likely 5. There's no point in signing him - in fact, it makes most sense for him to be moved so Sens can have a better pick in 2020, 2021, and possibly 2022 - although I think by then the Sens will want to compete for a playoff spot.

The Sens need to stop getting picks 6-21 and go for nothing less than top 5 picks; problem is they don't have their own this year !

Let's say Sens end up getting the 1st pick, here's what the trade looks like:

What they gave up:

Kyle Turris
Shane Bowers - 1st in 2017
Jack Hughes - 1st in 2019
3rd round pick in 2019

What they have:

Whatever they have to show for Duchene July 2019

I'm 100% on the trade Duchene bandwagon... I love him but our competitive window isn't in the next 3-5 seasons and we have decent center depth behind him. Hopefully Brown can put it together and if traded maybe (if you can get Glass or another C) you can replace him with a budding #1 C in two to three seasons.

I'd only keep Stone out of all our UFA's.

I'm 100% on the trade Duchene bandwagon... I love him but our competitive window isn't in the next 3-5 seasons and we have decent center depth behind him. Hopefully Brown can put it together and if traded maybe (if you can get Glass or another C) you can replace him with a budding #1 C in two to three seasons.

I'd only keep Stone out of all our UFA's.
- riceroni

I don't think Vegas will be moving Glass

Am over point per game player should fetch back a fair return at least.

At least a first and a decent prospect I would think

These trades rarely work out for the team giving up the rental though. Bad situation any way you look at it.

I'm 100% on the trade Duchene bandwagon... I love him but our competitive window isn't in the next 3-5 seasons and we have decent center depth behind him. Hopefully Brown can put it together and if traded maybe (if you can get Glass or another C) you can replace him with a budding #1 C in two to three seasons.

I'd only keep Stone out of all our UFA's.
- riceroni

Brown is starting to worry me. But, I was pessimistic about the Colour White, so I'm now shifting that to Brown, hopefully to the same effect.

I agree about Stone being the number 1 player to keep. Dzingle would get a lot of interest should he be available at the deadline.

What playoff destined team has the assets, space and need for a number one center?

Only ones I can see at the moment are NYI, CLB and maybe MTL?

I'm 100% on the trade Duchene bandwagon... I love him but our competitive window isn't in the next 3-5 seasons and we have decent center depth behind him. Hopefully Brown can put it together and if traded maybe (if you can get Glass or another C) you can replace him with a budding #1 C in two to three seasons.

I'd only keep Stone out of all our UFA's.
- riceroni

Do you think Stone will re-sign or hit free agency? What is the consensus up there?

What playoff destined team has the assets, space and need for a number one center?

Only ones I can see at the moment are NYI, CLB and maybe MTL?
- Whiskey-Tango

The Habs are currently out of the playoffs and I really don't see them sending assets away for a rental, I sure hope not anyway

What playoff destined team has the assets, space and need for a number one center?

Only ones I can see at the moment are NYI, CLB and maybe MTL?
- Whiskey-Tango

NYI could work.

Dobson and a 1st for Duchene

I hate to say this, but the return for Duchene may be VERY underwhelming

I think Dorion has a strong chance to F**k this up. Just like with Karlsson. Don't get me wrong, the return wasn't horrible, but when your talking about a guy like Karlsson, they should have moved him at the trade deadline last year and got at least ONE top prospect back.

I think they should trade Duchene with either Dzingel and Stone to get a lot more back. Also team that acquires has to resign right away as part of the trade to maximize deal

I hate to say this, but the return for Duchene may be VERY underwhelming

I think Dorion has a strong chance to F**k this up. Just like with Karlsson. Don't get me wrong, the return wasn't horrible, but when your talking about a guy like Karlsson, they should have moved him at the trade deadline last year and got at least ONE top prospect back.

I think they should trade Duchene with either Dzingel and Stone to get a lot more back. Also team that acquires has to resign right away as part of the trade to maximize deal
- AlfieisKing

When was the last time a player was traded at the deadline as a rental and resigned with his new team right away?

I hate to say this, but the return for Duchene may be VERY underwhelming

I think Dorion has a strong chance to F**k this up. Just like with Karlsson. Don't get me wrong, the return wasn't horrible, but when your talking about a guy like Karlsson, they should have moved him at the trade deadline last year and got at least ONE top prospect back.

I think they should trade Duchene with either Dzingel and Stone to get a lot more back. Also team that acquires has to resign right away as part of the trade to maximize deal
- AlfieisKing

I keep going back the Brassard trade which give me some optimism.

To Buffalo: Dzingle
To OTtawa: San Jose 1st

Buffalo may want to stay the course, especially since Murray (frank)ed things up by trying to speed up the rebuild, but they may also want to show Skinner that they're committed to this thing, and they have a boat load of first rounders.

When was the last time a player was traded at the deadline as a rental and resigned with his new team right away?
- obie

Not to mention that would limit the potential teams to... I'm not sure any teams could do this?

But has it ever happened?

Not to mention that would limit the potential teams to... I'm not sure any teams could do this?

But has it ever happened?
- david22

Not that I can remember, not many contracts are signed during the season... the time for that would of been before this season began, like Pacioretty and Vegas.

I hate to say this, but the return for Duchene may be VERY underwhelming

I think Dorion has a strong chance to F**k this up. Just like with Karlsson. Don't get me wrong, the return wasn't horrible, but when your talking about a guy like Karlsson, they should have moved him at the trade deadline last year and got at least ONE top prospect back.

I think they should trade Duchene with either Dzingel and Stone to get a lot more back. Also team that acquires has to resign right away as part of the trade to maximize deal
- AlfieisKing

They won't get less than a 1st and a "good prospect." He's (at the moment) as good as other pending UFA's to be traded like Kovalchuk, Staal etc.

When was the last time a player was traded at the deadline as a rental and resigned with his new team right away?
- obie

Evander Kane

Evander Kane
- jmatchett383

Kane resigned in the summer, after SJ was eliminated

Kane resigned in the summer, after SJ was eliminated
- obie

So define "right away." I figured you meant before July 1st. 20 minutes? 3 days? A month? What is the window?

So define "right away." I figured you meant before July 1st. 20 minutes? 3 days? A month? What is the window?
- jmatchett383

In the original post he suggested that Duchene agrees to an extension at the trade deadline to maximize the return. So right way meaning at the time of the transaction

In the original post he suggested that Duchene agrees to an extension at the trade deadline to maximize the return. So right way meaning at the time of the transaction
- obie

Then never. I apologize.

Then never. I apologize.
- jmatchett383

No need! And no, I dont remember that ever taking place

Sens are last in the NHL with 35 points; not tied with anyone anymore.

3 of their top 4 scorers (and their top forwards) are UFAs; the other Chabot, is injured.

If I'm an Avs fan, I'm loving this

When was the last time a player was traded at the deadline as a rental and resigned with his new team right away?
- obie

It's rare but it happens

Off the top of my head, Alex Burrows

Duchene is turning 28 in 10 days.

He'll be 30.5 years old just two years into signing his deal.

The Sens won't be contending for at least the next 3 years - likely 5. There's no point in signing him - in fact, it makes most sense for him to be moved so Sens can have a better pick in 2020, 2021, and possibly 2022 - although I think by then the Sens will want to compete for a playoff spot.

The Sens need to stop getting picks 6-21 and go for nothing less than top 5 picks; problem is they don't have their own this year !

Let's say Sens end up getting the 1st pick, here's what the trade looks like:

What they gave up:

Kyle Turris
Shane Bowers - 1st in 2017
Jack Hughes - 1st in 2019
3rd round pick in 2019

What they have:

Whatever they have to show for Duchene July 2019
- AlfieisKing

I think your pretty much on target.

Sens are bottoming out. They are not at bottom yet. Bottom will likely come next year, perhaps even two years out. Right now the priority has to be loading up on picks and prospects.

There are a few teams that have great prospect depth and are also pushing for a playoff position. I think the Islanders are the best fit for Duchene. Dzingle brings a nice return. Anderson would be a great add for any team wanting to improve on their goaltending depth heading into the playoffs.

Bottom is an emotional state, includes feelings of despair or hopelessness. The feelings are necessary to drive the total commitment to a comprehensive change. I do not think there is any going back. I do not discount the possibility that Stone may also be moved.