Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 12/15/18 @ VAN

IMHO if they lose tonight, Hakstol is gone!

Simmonds & Gudas for Liljegren should be a thing.

Oh, yeah. Go Flyers. I guess.

IMHO if they lose tonight, Hakstol is gone!
- DraftandDestroy

I hope they win.

Let’s start that fire counter from zero again.

288 is not enough time to properly evaluate.

Sorry if late.

Elliot back to Philly, possible re-injury.

https://www.nbcsports.com...appointment-injury-update

I watched last night, read the boards, simply didn't comment.

Nothing left to say, really, until firings and trade(s) are made

They're just not good enough. I don't know how in the hell the PP got broken, but now even that doesn't work

Only players who they need to keep are Giroux, Couturier and Provorov, IMO

I'd listen on every other player in the organization except Hart and maybe Frost, if it was a deal that could help the on-ice at the NHL level

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I watched last night, read the boards, simply didn't comment.

Nothing left to say, really, until firings and trade(s) are made

They're just not good enough. I don't know how in the hell the PP got broken, but now even that doesn't work

Only players who they need to keep are Giroux, Couturier and Provorov, IMO

I'd listen on every other player in the organization except Hart and maybe Frost, if it was a deal that could help the on-ice at the NHL level
- AllInForFlyers

I would add Sanhiem, Patrick and Myers to that list but otherwise yeah, I'm not really married to anyone else if it's a move that makes sense to improve the team.

When the plane returns maybe Hak gets a message that Gord Murphy is in trouble, then his ride comes:

Damn, I can't paste photos, but it was Sylvio driving Adriana.

I watched last night, read the boards, simply didn't comment.

Nothing left to say, really, until firings and trade(s) are made

They're just not good enough. I don't know how in the hell the PP got broken, but now even that doesn't work

Only players who they need to keep are Giroux, Couturier and Provorov, IMO

I'd listen on every other player in the organization except Hart and maybe Frost, if it was a deal that could help the on-ice at the NHL level
- AllInForFlyers

Tough to watch. A team in total free fall. The only thing that is keeping me watching is the thoughts that changes are coming.

I watched last night, read the boards, simply didn't comment.

Nothing left to say, really, until firings and trade(s) are made

They're just not good enough. I don't know how in the hell the PP got broken, but now even that doesn't work

Only players who they need to keep are Giroux, Couturier and Provorov, IMO

I'd listen on every other player in the organization except Hart and maybe Frost, if it was a deal that could help the on-ice at the NHL level
- AllInForFlyers

Frost is totally in play if I get a return I like.

EDIT. I love G too, he can and should finish his career elsewhere. Maybe Toronto.....or Calgary?

I would add Sanhiem, Patrick and Myers to that list but otherwise yeah, I'm not really married to anyone else if it's a move that makes sense to improve the team.
- hereticpride

That’s the thing....I’ve started to actually dislike a bunch of these guys. I could care less after Giroux and some of the kids, whom I want to see develop, who they keep.

Frost is totally in play if I get a return I like.
- DrMidnite

Better be a really good one.

I would add Sanhiem, Patrick and Myers to that list but otherwise yeah, I'm not really married to anyone else if it's a move that makes sense to improve the team.
- hereticpride

I can totally see Sanheim and Patrick being on some people's untouchables. I get it.

I just would listen on everyone and everything, right now -- what I worry about more than a little bit is that this team might have a few too many soft players

The league has changed, and I get that. There aren't any Chris Prongers anymore

But this team, collectively, just seems a little less willing to do hard things. I think they play hard more often than not, but they're not as willing to do the hard things that lead to winning in a league with that much parity

Frost is totally in play if I get a return I like.
- DrMidnite

Completely disagree.... unless the return is a proven and still young NHL impact player. And what team is trading that?

When the plane returns maybe Hak gets a message that Gord Murphy is in trouble, then his ride comes:

Damn, I can't paste photos, but it was Sylvio driving Adriana.
- DrMidnite

Fletcher has had some time to reach out to some candidates ...I actually don’t think it matters what this team does tonight. Hak is done.

Tough to watch. A team in total free fall. The only thing that is keeping me watching is the thoughts that changes are coming.
- landros 2

Last night was one of the worst viewing experiences I can remember with this team

I'm sure there have been worse. I know there have been. But last night was right up there

Today's coaching points from our great coach.

Continued power play woes,
and a combination of failed clears,
turnovers and an opportunistic opponent.

This, straight outta Bill's recap of yesterday's fine display of men's professional hockey.
My guess, this too will be the lead for tonight's recap.

I can totally see Sanheim and Patrick being on some people's untouchables. I get it.

I just would listen on everyone and everything, right now -- what I worry about more than a little bit is that this team might have a few too many soft players

The league has changed, and I get that. There aren't any Chris Prongers anymore

But this team, collectively, just seems a little less willing to do hard things. I think they play hard more often than not, but they're not as willing to do the hard things that lead to winning in a league with that much parity
- AllInForFlyers

Those are the kids you need..and develop ..along with their cheaper cap hits, to get this team to the next level.

I watched last night, read the boards, simply didn't comment.

Nothing left to say, really, until firings and trade(s) are made

They're just not good enough. I don't know how in the hell the PP got broken, but now even that doesn't work

Only players who they need to keep are Giroux, Couturier and Provorov, IMO

I'd listen on every other player in the organization except Hart and maybe Frost, if it was a deal that could help the on-ice at the NHL level
- AllInForFlyers

I'd have Patrick, Sanheim, and Gostisbehere on that list also.

Completely disagree.... unless the return is a proven and still young NHL impact player. And what team is trading that?
- bmeltzer

There is no guarantee in that OHL/NHL jump.

I may be wrong, but can Toronto afford Tavares, Mathews, and Marner with a good enough team around them to win, if they don't do it this year?

I targeted Marner and he is who I have in mind.

I'd have Patrick, Sanheim, and Gostisbehere on that list also.
- MJL

I understand -- I do. You can't throw out the baby with the bathwater, and those players likely just need more time. They're going to be fine, at some point

Last night was one of the worst viewing experiences I can remember with this team

I'm sure there have been worse. I know there have been. But last night was right up there
- AllInForFlyers

I can’t remember in 40 plus years of watching that I have been so in different watching this team. Even when they finished last a decade or so ago....I could find reasons to be hopefull. Now my hope is based on substantial changes.

There is no guarantee in that OHL/NHL jump.

I may be wrong, but can Toronto afford Tavares, Mathews, and Marner with a good enough team around them to win, if they don't do it this year?

I targeted Marner and he is who I have in mind.
- DrMidnite

What else are you going to give up besides Frost for Marner?

Completely disagree.... unless the return is a proven and still young NHL impact player. And what team is trading that?
- bmeltzer

A team guided by Mr Magoo!