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Has Malkin been traded for Tarasenko yet?

I can't believe how much energy I've spent on Rob fn Scuderi today hahaha

Has Malkin been traded for Tarasenko yet?
- Murphy_Dump

yes

Has Malkin been traded for Tarasenko yet?
- Murphy_Dump

No, deal was nixed when Malkin was told he wouldn't be "the man" in St. Louis.

I can't believe how much energy I've spent on Rob fn Scuderi today hahaha
- MattStrat

Said RW never

Said RW never
- jmatchett383

Hahaha

Has Jake played right much? I don't see the benefit of adding Pearson if it hurts Jake. I do want to see Pearson with Sid though. Preferably Horny on the right though.

I can't believe how much energy I've spent on Rob fn Scuderi today hahaha
- MattStrat

And you still haven't backed up your theory with anything logical

And you still haven't backed up your theory with anything logical
- Feds91Stammer

Well his contention was that, from the time he started his pro career to the time he became a mainstay in the NHL, his game improved. I'd agree, as most players are better at age 25-29 than they are at age 20. So by natural progression, I'd say it's incredibly feasible that his game did improve, by some amount, between the ages of 20 and 27. By how much is a different story.

Well his contention was that, from the time he started his pro career to the time he became a mainstay in the NHL, his game improved. I'd agree, as most players are better at age 25-29 than they are at age 20. So by natural progression, I'd say it's incredibly feasible that his game did improve, by some amount, between the ages of 20 and 27. By how much is a different story.
- jmatchett383

The whole premise is based on the idea of players getting better after age 25 which is where we get the Olekisak Chara theory.

The whole premise is based on the idea of players getting better after age 25 which is where we get the Olekisak Chara theory.
- Feds91Stammer

Right...I get that. And I agree that Oleksiak is a poor man's version of a poor man's version of NYI Chara. However, his point that he made, specific to Scuderi, was that he progressed during his career as a member of the Penguins organization. I don't disagree with that.

Which team shows up tonight the good Pens or the !@&? Pens? Guessing Murray gets his chance tomorrow. New lines won’t last past the first period.

Right...I get that. And I agree that Oleksiak is a poor man's version of a poor man's version of NYI Chara. However, his point that he made, specific to Scuderi, was that he progressed during his career as a member of the Penguins organization. I don't disagree with that.
- jmatchett383

Meh I would argue his best season was his first season as a pro in WBS at age 23

Speaking of Pens defenseman and age...

Deryk Engelland was an example of a depth defenseman that all of the sudden became 2nd pair worthy at age 31.

Meh I would argue his best season was his first season as a pro in WBS at age 23
- Feds91Stammer

I didn't have the privilege of watching WB/S games back then, so all I can go on is statistical goal/assist output. Given the guys like TJ Brennan and Brandon Manning can be AHL All-Stars but fringe players in the NHL, I don't think I am capable of doing and apples-to-apples comparison of his AHL to NHL career.

But that said, if he started his career at 20, and you think his best season was at 23, that would mean that he did progress during his time in the Penguins organization (marginal though it may have been), no?

I didn't have the privilege of watching WB/S games back then, so all I can go on is statistical goal/assist output. Given the guys like TJ Brennan and Brandon Manning can be AHL All-Stars but fringe players in the NHL, I don't think I am capable of doing and apples-to-apples comparison of his AHL to NHL career.

But that said, if he started his career at 20, and you think his best season was at 23, that would mean that he did progress during his time in the Penguins organization (marginal though it may have been), no?
- jmatchett383

He played 4 years of college so no.

Speaking of Pens defenseman and age...

Deryk Engelland was an example of a depth defenseman that all of the sudden became 2nd pair worthy at age 31.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Yes, but pairing is relative to depth, too. Technically, the Penguins won a Stanley Cup with Ron Hainsey as a top-pair defenseman for all 4 rounds. But I wouldn't call Ron Hainsey a top-pair defenseman.

He played 4 years of college so no.
- Feds91Stammer

The Penguins signed him as a UFA after his 4th college season? I thought they drafted him while he was still in college.

The Penguins signed him as a UFA after his 4th college season? I thought they drafted him while he was still in college.
- jmatchett383

They did. But they had absolutely nothing to do with his 18-22 aged development.

Speaking of Pens defenseman and age...

Deryk Engelland was an example of a depth defenseman that all of the sudden became 2nd pair worthy at age 31.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

lol wut?

He avg 13 mins a night at age 31.

He also has been a possession black hole his entire career.

He hasn't had one single season that suggests he belongs in the NHL.

They did. But they had absolutely nothing to do with his 18-22 aged development.
- Feds91Stammer

No, they didn't (outside of possible development camps, if he paid his own way). But after he was selected by the Penguins, he game did get better.

My point is that most players play best in their prime, around the 25-29 age range. So I would argue that Scuderi's play, as an overall player, was better at that age that it was when he was first drafted and/or played his first game. the degree on difference is debatable.

Still waiting on those Mario stats.

Yes, but pairing is relative to depth, too. Technically, the Penguins won a Stanley Cup with Ron Hainsey as a top-pair defenseman for all 4 rounds. But I wouldn't call Ron Hainsey a top-pair defenseman.
- jmatchett383

This is why I don’t get bent out of shape over the defense situation. When the first round pick eventually gets traded I would hope it goes for offense. A 6’4” skilled winger that plays with and edge. But it’s 2018, there are like two in the league.

where we get the Olekisak Chara theory.
- Feds91Stammer

I thought that was something Hawking was working on before he passed away?

No, they didn't (outside of possible development camps, if he paid his own way). But after he was selected by the Penguins, he game did get better.

My point is that most players play best in their prime, around the 25-29 age range. So I would argue that Scuderi's play, as an overall player, was better at that age that it was when he was first drafted and/or played his first game. the degree on difference is debatable.

Still waiting on those Mario stats.
- jmatchett383

24 is average peak age.

To be clear I am not arguing that a player is/was better at 20 then they are/were at 26

Are you looking for the Mario stats they say his best season was when he was 23?