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Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

Sep 30 @ 11:11 PM ET
You do not need rocket science to figure out how the Blackhawks got to where they are. Bad trade after bad trade after bad trade and on and on. Eventually the ton of talent that was here is now pretty much all on other teams. The sooner the gm is gone the sooner the healing can finally begin. Until then it is not unreasonable to expect even more trade damage. Wake up owner.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Sep 30 @ 11:32 PM ET
Many make great cases for Q, I respect that. I just look at the Pittsburg model. I know there are no gaurantees that the next coach catches lightning in a bottle, but a fresh face would end the presence of the living in the past elephant in the room.

Its as if Glory days is subliminally being played...For Q's core, nothing really changes. They all have anointed positions...

Side note, Kane has truly proven himself to be a cut above. My appreciation for him grows year after year. A true superstar.

- TrueGrit


Agree on Kane. True Leader on team. Deserves an “A”. Unless there is a rule against having a “C” and 3 “As” Kane should have an “A”.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Sep 30 @ 11:36 PM ET
You’ll be encouraged that Tom Wilson is at it again: getting an in-person interview (meaning 6 games put, I think) for destroying Oscar Sundqvist of the Blues.

Direct hit to the head, from what I can see.

In a (frank)ing exhibition game.

- StLBravesFan


https://www.nbcsports.com...-sundqvist-st-louis-blues

for (frank)ing sake we have to put up with another season of this ace assassin using his favorite technique: the wide-up, cocked shoulder and blind side hit...10 games for this repeat jagbagger might be to low...

pathetic reading about the caps coach and teammates cover for this abscess on the game that needs to be lanced...
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Sep 30 @ 11:51 PM ET
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/video/tom-wilson-ejected-high-hit-oskar-sundqvist-st-louis-blues

for (frank)ing sake we have to put up with another season of this ace assassin using his favorite technique: the wide-up, cocked shoulder and blind side hit...10 games for this repeat jagbagger might be to low...

pathetic reading about the caps coach and teammates cover for this abscess on the game that needs to be lanced...

- bogiedoc


I love the coaches look - What happened? He should get as many games as Wilson.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Oct 1 @ 12:03 AM ET
I love the coaches look - What happened? He should get as many games as Wilson.
- powerenforcer


They should allow no replacement - dress only 17 skaters for the length of the suspension.
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Oct 1 @ 12:04 AM ET
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/video/tom-wilson-ejected-high-hit-oskar-sundqvist-st-louis-blues

for (frank)ing sake we have to put up with another season of this ace assassin using his favorite technique: the wide-up, cocked shoulder and blind side hit...10 games for this repeat jagbagger might be to low...

pathetic reading about the caps coach and teammates cover for this abscess on the game that needs to be lanced...

- bogiedoc


Someone should knee "cap" that s.o.b. That's just disgusting. That coach also. In the words of my dead grandmother, "They make my ass sick."
wonthecup10
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 02.05.2008

Oct 1 @ 1:00 AM ET
That hit almost look like the same one that Scott Stevens put on Eric Lindros.
I don’t like to see guys get hurt, but as kids growing up when we played youth hockey what did our coaches Tell us?Keep your head up when going in over the blue line with the puck, make your pass and don’t stand there and admire it.
I like Tom Wilson, and I would take him on my team any day, but with that being said, plays like that are dangerous, but are also part of the game. He’ll just hide behind the instigator rule . Plus not too many guys have the balls to challenge him anyway. He’s a tough kid. He’s probably looking at north of six games for suspension. I’ll get shredded but I think there’s some grey areas there, the kid possibly just hit his head down coming over the blue line.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Oct 1 @ 1:22 AM ET
They should allow no replacement - dress only 17 skaters for the length of the suspension.
- StLBravesFan


eddie o has advocated this also...and I agree...the team was suffer the consequences of one their guys being suspended and continuing not to change their behavior.

BUT...it will never happen. GM, owners, NHLPA will never agree to this.


bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Oct 1 @ 1:31 AM ET
That hit almost look like the same one that Scott Stevens put on Eric Lindros.
I don’t like to see guys get hurt, but as kids growing up when we played youth hockey what did our coaches Tell us?Keep your head up when going in over the blue line with the puck, make your pass and don’t stand there and admire it.
I like Tom Wilson, and I would take him on my team any day, but with that being said, plays like that are dangerous, but are also part of the game. He’ll just hide behind the instigator rule . Plus not too many guys have the balls to challenge him anyway. He’s a tough kid. He’s probably looking at north of six games for suspension. I’ll get shredded but I think there’s some grey areas there, the kid possibly just hit his head down coming over the blue line.

- wonthecup10


let says his head was up...does that change wilson's MO and goal? To seek and destroy. A check is clearly warranted but how about some respect for your fellow players...the nhl has given guidence over the years of how to slow up and give your check without threat of injury. You see it now all the time. Most players get it have learned to pull or bear hug guys along the boards...one guy who didn't was martinsen last night. very dnagerous and unecessary hit on the cbj player.

that hit is almost as bad as the torres hit on hossa in 2012...we heard the same BS ...marion get your head up; its your fault that torres acted like a ballistic missle to blind side you.
SimpleJack
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago , IL
Joined: 05.23.2013

Oct 1 @ 2:21 AM ET
Tom Wilson is a disease

The league needs to rid itself of players like him, not worth the trouble

What a scumbag

I know this sounds extreme and most would think its too harsh, but at this point i would suspend him for 35-40 games so he essentially misses half the season and maybe then the point will get across. If not he'll just keep on doing what he does.
SimpleJack
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago , IL
Joined: 05.23.2013

Oct 1 @ 2:24 AM ET
You do not need rocket science to figure out how the Blackhawks got to where they are. Bad trade after bad trade after bad trade and on and on. Eventually the ton of talent that was here is now pretty much all on other teams. The sooner the gm is gone the sooner the healing can finally begin. Until then it is not unreasonable to expect even more trade damage. Wake up owner.
- Savoy


I'd say the horrible contracts that were handed out are just as bad as the trades.
Combine those 2 aspects and its been pretty much a step-by-step systematic destruction of what was a finely tuned machine. And yes....the GM is really the only one to blame. Or you could say the front office in general.
dahawks8819
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.29.2014

Oct 1 @ 4:52 AM ET
I'd say the horrible contracts that were handed out are just as bad as the trades.
Combine those 2 aspects and its been pretty much a step-by-step systematic destruction of what was a finely tuned machine. And yes....the GM is really the only one to blame. Or you could say the front office in general.

- SimpleJack


I want to give a little perspective here to all the armchair G.M.s on this site that think they know better.

This is from Jeff Osborn posted on the-rink....

What picks have the Blackhawks traded away that turned out to be accomplished NHL players? Have any?

These are just the first, second or third round picks that the team has traded away since 2010.

Brock Nelson? (2010, 1st round, 30th overall)
Xavier Ouellet? (2011, 2nd round, 48th overall)
Zach Sanford? (2013, 2nd round, 61st overall)
JC Lipon? (2013, 3rd round, 91st overall)
Nikolay Goldobin? (2014, 1st round, 27th overall, turned into Nick Schmaltz)
Justin Kirkland (2014, 3rd round, 62nd overall)
Nick Merkley? (2015, 1st round, 30th overall)
Jeremy Bracco? (2015, 2nd round, 61st overall)
German Rubtsov? (2016, 1st round, 22nd overall)
Wade Allison? (2016, 2nd round, 52nd overall)
Jake Oettinger? (2017, 1st round, 26th overall, turned into Henri Jokiharju)
Keith Petruzzelli? (2017, 3rd round, 88th overall)

Take a moment and soak in just what the picks everyone here clamors for in past deals actually turned into. The only player on this list that is a somewhat functional player in the NHL is Brock Nelson.
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Oct 1 @ 4:57 AM ET
That hit almost look like the same one that Scott Stevens put on Eric Lindros.
I don’t like to see guys get hurt, but as kids growing up when we played youth hockey what did our coaches Tell us?Keep your head up when going in over the blue line with the puck, make your pass and don’t stand there and admire it.
I like Tom Wilson, and I would take him on my team any day, but with that being said, plays like that are dangerous, but are also part of the game. He’ll just hide behind the instigator rule . Plus not too many guys have the balls to challenge him anyway. He’s a tough kid. He’s probably looking at north of six games for suspension. I’ll get shredded but I think there’s some grey areas there, the kid possibly just hit his head down coming over the blue line.

- wonthecup10


If Sundqvist was your kid, I think you would have a different opinion. Just because your head is down for a longer period of time or short period of time, that doesn't mean that dirty gorilla can increase his speed, practically leave his skates, and try to knock the guy's head off all in a matter of 10 feet. I know hits like that happen, avoidable or not, that could have been easily avoidable. That ruins hockey for me, its just a sport. He brought the puck in, what was there to admire? When can the league look at previous behaviors and hits and really bring the hammer down? He seems to have this everywhere in his career. Maybe we just disagree. Everyone's got opinions, and opinions are like Tom Wilson, everyone's got one.
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Oct 1 @ 5:19 AM ET
I want to give a little perspective here to all the armchair G.M.s on this site that think they know better.

This is from Jeff Osborn posted on the-rink....

What picks have the Blackhawks traded away that turned out to be accomplished NHL players? Have any?

These are just the first, second or third round picks that the team has traded away since 2010.

Brock Nelson? (2010, 1st round, 30th overall)
Xavier Ouellet? (2011, 2nd round, 48th overall)
Zach Sanford? (2013, 2nd round, 61st overall)
JC Lipon? (2013, 3rd round, 91st overall)
Nikolay Goldobin? (2014, 1st round, 27th overall, turned into Nick Schmaltz)
Justin Kirkland (2014, 3rd round, 62nd overall)
Nick Merkley? (2015, 1st round, 30th overall)
Jeremy Bracco? (2015, 2nd round, 61st overall)
German Rubtsov? (2016, 1st round, 22nd overall)
Wade Allison? (2016, 2nd round, 52nd overall)
Jake Oettinger? (2017, 1st round, 26th overall, turned into Henri Jokiharju)
Keith Petruzzelli? (2017, 3rd round, 88th overall)

Take a moment and soak in just what the picks everyone here clamors for in past deals actually turned into. The only player on this list that is a somewhat functional player in the NHL is Brock Nelson.

- dahawks8819


This isn't directed at you dahawks, just something, a peeve of mine, a quirk if you will. I don't like the argument that people on the board have said, name one person that the hawks traded that turned out to be a superstar for another team. Now J.O. is doing it with draft picks, look at almost everyone who is/isn't accomplished. Both statements are based on false logic. It's a logical fallacy called either-or dichotomy (it has several different names) and it makes the argument null and void by only giving people two choices, when there are clearly more, a little less on the latter, but still, it's manipulative and an oversimplification. Which players left the hawks and became superstars? That means you are a superstar or not. My questions to those people are 1, define superstar 2, let's say on a 21 man roster of 31 teams which multipled together is 651 players, how many out of that number are superstars (to me, three are) and 3, there are all kinds of different players who play different roles that are serviceable. Now with draft picks, if you make it to the nhl, aren't you accomplished? Isn't that every kid's dream? Sure you might be bad, but still, and they hope to stick in the nhl, I'm not saying make it then quit. Define accomplished? Not all names listed, but a very small handful could have been something/serviceable in different systems, different teams, and had different people in their lives to help them along in their developments, or different hockey levels like ohl, ahl, qmjhl or whatever. I know not every draft pick turns into someone special, fringe player at best sometimes. Half of the names are still developing. Just because people have the hindsight of trades and picks, they use that as their logic. "See how that turned out..." People who dont have foresight think and hope it turns out well. Gm's don't have foresight, which makes their job so difficult, among other things. I think people are too tough on Bowman, I can be too, at times. Not only fore/hindsight, but these things are too subjective. I'm not a robot, but I try to make myself as objective as possible, I admit, I fail sometimes.
RaleighHawk
Joined: 03.29.2016

Oct 1 @ 6:56 AM ET
You do not need rocket science to figure out how the Blackhawks got to where they are. Bad trade after bad trade after bad trade and on and on. Eventually the ton of talent that was here is now pretty much all on other teams. The sooner the gm is gone the sooner the healing can finally begin. Until then it is not unreasonable to expect even more trade damage. Wake up owner.
- Savoy


Combined with the players they did keep have a lot of miles on them and are not the same players anymore. Oh year, and the loss of Hossa...
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Oct 1 @ 8:12 AM ET
You do not need rocket science to figure out how the Blackhawks got to where they are. Bad trade after bad trade after bad trade and on and on. Eventually the ton of talent that was here is now pretty much all on other teams. The sooner the gm is gone the sooner the healing can finally begin. Until then it is not unreasonable to expect even more trade damage. Wake up owner.
- Savoy


Rocket science suggests to me the Hawks got to where they are due to their success. Yes there were "bad trades" but why were those "bad trades" made? Some were made directly because of the salary cap and there was no way to re-sign the player, ie: Panarin. Some were made to sweeten a deal to take bad contracts because of the salary cap. Yes we can look back in hindsight and say the Hawks shouldn't have given Toews and perhaps Kane their huge contracts. But no one at the time would have suggested either guy should have been allowed to walk. Seabrook was a bad sign at the time there is no doubt and Bowman made a huge error there.

Should Bowman be moved out? I don't think the answer is clear yet. If there is no cap pressure I can't see him moving important players in bad deals going forward. I think Bowman should be judged on how he handles the rebuild. I think after his success it's not unreasonable to give him a period of time to see if he can move the team towards being a contender once again. And by making the Hawks a contender it may be necessary to move some of the older stars to stockpile draft picks and prospects.
Jance
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 03.25.2015

Oct 1 @ 8:16 AM ET
let says his head was up...does that change wilson's MO and goal? To seek and destroy. A check is clearly warranted but how about some respect for your fellow players...the nhl has given guidence over the years of how to slow up and give your check without threat of injury. You see it now all the time. Most players get it have learned to pull or bear hug guys along the boards...one guy who didn't was martinsen last night. very dnagerous and unecessary hit on the cbj player.

that hit is almost as bad as the torres hit on hossa in 2012...we heard the same BS ...marion get your head up; its your fault that torres acted like a ballistic missle to blind side you.

- bogiedoc


The worst part of the Wilson hit is from the replay it looks like Wilson has the opportunity to take a clean hit to the body, but instead moves his body and shoulder to target the head.

I'm sure Wilson will take the stand that he was trying to pick the shoulder, he was trying to avoid the hit all together, or some other BS to cover himself. But the fact is he he picked the head.
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Oct 1 @ 9:02 AM ET
Buckle up everyone... this is our team: https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=95032

*NEW* blog up.
vandymeer23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 10.11.2014

Oct 2 @ 12:48 AM ET
Why don’t you just watch the UFC ? All the fighting you could ever ask for.
- SimpleJack

I do
vandymeer23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 10.11.2014

Oct 2 @ 12:50 AM ET
Well said. I've long wanted to give back those last two Cups. The Hawks had no team toughness...just a bunch of pirhouetting ballerinas who could practically score at will. It redefined the term winning ugly. Truly disgusting!
- HawkintheD

the hawks had toughness the first two cups. The last one not so much. The hawks and the league in general is just to soft. The hawks could of been a good and tough team and won the cup
vandymeer23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 10.11.2014

Oct 2 @ 12:52 AM ET
They should allow no replacement - dress only 17 skaters for the length of the suspension.
- StLBravesFan

Everyone is to soft now a days. Always want a suspension after every hit. Frontier justice works best and give him a couple games suspension.
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