Bill Meltzer: Wrap: Flyers 6 - NYR 4; Prospect Update

If Myers gets sent down in favor of Hagg or Folin, the fan base has a right to be angry. Hagg does not look like an NHL player, even so he spent all of last year with the big club, and Folin looks nothing more than a 7th.

Claude Giroux's Draft+2 year, he was pretty much a 2 PPG player and he led Gatineau on a 19 game playoff run where he scored 51 points in 19 games.

He did everything but sweep up the arena after the games.

I hope Morgan Frost can do something similar.

G also went on to be one of the best NHL players of the 2010s...i would settle with Frost being a 65 pt player. It is unfair to Frost to compare the two and sets unrealistic expectations. But it would be nice to see him dominate in his last CHL season

Claude Giroux's Draft+2 year, he was pretty much a 2 PPG player and he led Gatineau on a 19 game playoff run where he scored 51 points in 19 games.

He did everything but sweep up the arena after the games.

I hope Morgan Frost can do something similar.
- johndewar

That is true. But lest we forget, Claude had a rough NHL camp with the Flyers in his draft plus-two before going back to Gatineau and then a so-so NHL camp -- got sent to the Phantoms for a half season after most had penciled him pre-camp into the NHL opening night roster -- his first pro year.

I also remember clear as day that some fans were in an immediate panic that he'd be one of those big-stat Q players who would bust as a pro, despite his obvious skill and smarts. While Frost isn't Giroux's equal at 19, there are some similarities.

Carter Hart what do yall think?

This Vorobyov kid belongs in the NHL in Raffl's spot

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why not sign Zamula? how could it hurt us? saves us a draft pick in 2019

Carter Hart what do yall think?

This Vorobyov kid belongs in the NHL in Raffl's spot
- 2Real

He's not going to play wing. He'll play center if he makes it.

Hart is a tremendous prospect, which we all knew. Still needs a year in the AHL, especially because he's going to split time at least in 1st half of season with Lyon/Stolie.

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why not sign Zamula? how could it hurt us? saves us a draft pick in 2019
- 2Real

It doesn't hurt if you are convinced he's shown enough to be worth the five-year development commitment -- sliding back to the WHL for this year and next, then his 3-year entry-level kicks in with probably 2 AHL seasons before he'd ever sniff even a callup chance -- to trying to nurture him into an NHLer. That's a big commitment for an 18-year-old who slipped through the Draft. Players like Myers don't fall into your lap very often.

Zamula is not dynamically skilled with the puck at this stage of his development. That would be a big part of the leap of faith if you sign him to an ELC. So, too, is filling out that rail-thin frame.

It doesn't hurt if you are convinced he's shown enough to be worth the five-year development commitment -- sliding back to the WHL for this year and next, then his 3-year entry-level kicks in with probably 2 AHL seasons before he'd ever sniff even a callup chance -- to trying to nurture him into an NHLer. That's a big commitment for an 18-year-old who slipped through the Draft. Players like Myers don't fall into your lap very often.

Zamula is not dynamically skilled with the puck at this stage of his development. That would be a big part of the leap of faith if you sign him to an ELC. So, too, is filling out that rail-thin frame.
- bmeltzer

so he'd basically be a free 5-7th round pick then

I don’t see any reason that if he’s signed he can’t slide into the A after another year in jr. He looks like he could hold his own there right now. Then it’s a 4 year commitment and in all honesty, as a defenseman I don’t know who he’ll be standing in the way of given the current D prospects. If he was a forward I could see the consternation.

I don’t see any reason that if he’s signed he can’t slide into the A after another year in jr. He looks like he could hold his own there right now. Then it’s a 4 year commitment and in all honesty, as a defenseman I don’t know who he’ll be standing in the way of given the current D prospects. If he was a forward I could see the consternation.
- mayorofangrytown

Two more years of junior: 2018-19 and 2019-20. He turned 18 this May. Although he's from Russia, he falls under CHL-AHL age restrictions. So, if not in NHL, he would have to play junior hockey the next two seasons. The Flyers would have Kjell Samuelsson track him throughout the season, travel a couple times to Calgary, etc. Then Kjell and Huff would work with him on the Phantoms. It's a big commitment of resources and time. If the Flyers are convinced he's got a good shot at being a future NHLer, it's worth the ELC. If they are 50-50 on it, they'd be more inclined to let him go back in the NHL Draft and potentially select him in 2019.

It’s the same commitment as if he was drafted. Don’t see the big deal

Now if they don’t think he is nhl potential then fine. To not sign him because of the commitment or resources allocated would be a lame excuse.

Twarynski what trade got the flyers the pick to take him?

Vorobyev What trade got the flyers the pick to take him?

Under the radar but Proof Hextall has been really good at piling up picks. Also shows even when hextall was not dealing from a position of strength he still made good trades

It’s the same commitment as if he was drafted. Don’t see the big deal

Now if they don’t think he is nhl potential then fine. To not sign him because of the commitment or resources allocated would be a lame excuse.
- rinaldo

If you draft a kid you have their rights and don’t need to sign him to an elc right off the bat, but he’s still your property. Giving the team more flexibility. I think that’s the jist of it

Twarynski what trade got the flyers the pick to take him?

Vorobyev What trade got the flyers the pick to take him?

Under the radar but Proof Hextall has been really good at piling up picks. Also shows even when hextall was not dealing from a position of strength he still made good trades
- wcorvette

Twarynski I believe was brought to you by vinny and Luke schenn. Along with weal

Two more years of junior: 2018-19 and 2019-20. He turned 18 this May. Although he's from Russia, he falls under CHL-AHL age restrictions. So, if not in NHL, he would have to play junior hockey the next two seasons. The Flyers would have Kjell Samuelsson track him throughout the season, travel a couple times to Calgary, etc. Then Kjell and Huff would work with him on the Phantoms. It's a big commitment of resources and time. If the Flyers are convinced he's got a good shot at being a future NHLer, it's worth the ELC. If they are 50-50 on it, they'd be more inclined to let him go back in the NHL Draft and potentially select him in 2019.
- bmeltzer

Why wouldn't they have drafted him in the 7th round, instead of trade the pick? Then, they could have made the decision based on the next few years.

Zamula made 1 mistake that lead to a goal and a few other errors, but he also made some really smart defensive reads and had good stick work winning battles with NHLers. He shows loads of potential. Just ask Provy after that -5 night in Chicago if young defenseman have growing pains. Zamula looks to me to be a future steady big minute d-man. It is a commitment but I think it is worth it. Kid looks special.

Twarynski I believe was brought to you by vinny and Luke schenn. Along with weal
- Just5

Correct.

Vorobyev - We got Columbus' 4th round pick + Umberger when we traded Hartnell. Then we traded that pick to LA so they could move up, and we also acquired their 2016 6th round pick. We selected Anthony Salinitri with that pick.

I thought All of Vorobyev, Weal and Laughton looked awesome at C last night.

It's clear that two of these three should be in the bottom 2 center roles for this team. I think Vorobyev is looking the best out of all of them, but Weal and Laughton are not far behind.

I know I've been on the side of Weal being in the team, but I do understand his limitations. I saw him get knocked off the puck pretty easily a few times, but I also saw, a couple of times, him being surrounded by Blue Jerseys along the wall and still get the puck to a teammate. He's got very underrated puck skills in tight.

Observations:

- Twarynski looks good. Right now I think I would be fine with Aube-Kubel or Twarynski on that 4th line wing. Both play heavy games with speed and have some offensive skills.

- Laughton and Weal had solid games.

- Vorobyev again with a solid night.

- Weise looked better just can't see him in the lineup over others that have more upside and speed.

- Hart looked good in his two periods.

It is fun watching some of these young players now. The Flyers have depth that even if there is an injury they have someone that can fill a need.

Only got to see the highlights, but from what people who saw last night's game are saying, it seems like Vorobyev is making a very strong push to be the 3C and that Myers is absolutely ready to play in the NHL.

Carter Hart what do yall think?

This Vorobyov kid belongs in the NHL in Raffl's spot
- 2Real

Only saw the third but really liked harts movement in the crease and battle. Hope he keeps this up as it's great for the confidence as he heads to the a for 1 or 2 years which I think is fine. Unless he dominates the a this year then it maybe a discussion to be had for being on the big club next year.

If Elliott is solid and healthy this season and none of the other prospects look ready, maybe sign him for 1 yr. gotta let neuvy walk imo to start making room.

Only got to see the highlights, but from what people who saw last night's game are saying, it seems like Vorobyev is making a very strong push to be the 3C and that Myers is absolutely ready to play in the NHL.
- BiggE

He seems solid out there, but I wonder if his lack of effectiveness at the dot will hurt him.

Love Myers game so this camp. Not sure what the team will do on d to fit him in.

Only got to see the highlights, but from what people who saw last night's game are saying, it seems like Vorobyev is making a very strong push to be the 3C and that Myers is absolutely ready to play in the NHL.
- BiggE

IMO I think we see Myers in the lineup for game 1 and Misha is one of the last to get cut going back to LV, but he is the first recalled. Hopefully I am wrong about Misha, but the numbers game is too strong.