Trevor Shackles: Evaluating Dorion Part 1: Trades Evaluating the job that Pierre Dorion has done: part 1 looks at his trades

Worst trade in Sens history? Hard to outdo Christer Olsson for Pavol Demitra.

Trevor Shackles: Evaluating Dorion Part 1: Trades
Evaluating the job that Pierre Dorion has done: part 1 looks at his trades
- Trevor Shackles

Getting rid of Dion would be the only trade worthy of a passing grade in my opinion. Potentially acquiring Gustavsson as well, but that has yet to be seen. Many losing deals summarized there.

Getting rid of Dion would be the only trade worthy of a passing grade in my opinion. Potentially acquiring Gustavsson as well, but that has yet to be seen. Many losing deals summarized there.
- bikeguy99

Well the Lazar trade was very good

Always a good read, thank you Trevor!

Personally I would rate Dorion higher. Having to work under a cheapskate, micro managing owner, basically destroys any leverage a GM has in making trades, and all 30 other teams know this!

A fair analysis would see how much $$$ Dorion saved Melnyk, as this is his mandate.

I would give the Turris\Duchene Deal an F.

Fact remains that Ottawa gave a lot to make a lateral move. Not only do they carry the same cap hit but Duchene gets paid more in salary.

As for the Hoffman deal, I dont care how much his hands were tied. If San Jose could flip the same player with the same problems, Ottawa could have gotten more.

As for the Hoffman deal, I dont care how much his hands were tied. If San Jose could flip the same player with the same problems, Ottawa could have gotten more.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Not if Dorion was told trading on the same coast was a no-go. probstc has it right - one can only evaluate Dorion properly if one knows all factors in play. And I for one would love to know how much % responsibility of that trade was Melnyk's.

Not if Dorion was told trading on the same coast was a no-go. probstc has it right - one can only evaluate Dorion properly if one knows all factors in play. And I for one would love to know how much % responsibility of that trade was Melnyk's.
- Panzer_IVA

That's the point only intelligent hockey followers will acknowledge properly. It's the real reason why so much has gone wrong since the strong run just less than 14 months ago

Kyle Turris, Shane Bowers, Andrew Hammond, 1st, 3rd, for Matt Duchene: C+

Idk how you can evaluate it like that. The Senators are heading into a season, quite possibly, without Karlsson. They could bottom out and pick top-3; at the very least, top-5 seems likely. If Colorado ends up with that pick, this trade is a flat out F

Put another way, I think everyone agrees the Senators would have been better off not making that trade, right?

I'm not sure how the Matt Duchene deal is not an F.

Duchene wasn't that big of an improvement over Turris. You just draft top 5 this draft, and will be without Hoffman and more then likely Karlsson. You may have handed the Colorado Jack Hughes and on top of it Duchene is UFA after this season.

I'm not sure how the Matt Duchene deal is not an F.

Duchene wasn't that big of an improvement over Turris. You just draft top 5 this draft, and will be without Hoffman and more then likely Karlsson. You may have handed the Colorado Jack Hughes and on top of it Duchene is UFA after this season.
- VT001

I agree IF that is true.
From a value standpoint it was an upgrade - Turris had 3A in 13 playoff games -0 goals!

Duchene > Turris for sure. But the picks obviously concern everyone. If it's a top 10 pick then I say it's a D-, if it's a top 5, Fail for sure

Agree on the D- and possible F scenarios.

I hope things work out for the Sens. My favorite team in the East.

That's the point only intelligent hockey followers will acknowledge properly. It's the real reason why so much has gone wrong since the strong run just less than 14 months ago
- AlfieisKing

Don’t forget. You lied about deleting your account and whined to mods when we called you out. Melnyk is okay in my books.

Idk how you can evaluate it like that. The Senators are heading into a season, quite possibly, without Karlsson. They could bottom out and pick top-3; at the very least, top-5 seems likely. If Colorado ends up with that pick, this trade is a flat out F

Put another way, I think everyone agrees the Senators would have been better off not making that trade, right?
- jcragcrumple

He gave it a grade as it stands now. You want to give it an F based on situations that have not happened yet.

I agree IF that is true.
From a value standpoint it was an upgrade - Turris had 3A in 13 playoff games -0 goals!

Duchene > Turris for sure. But the picks obviously concern everyone. If it's a top 10 pick then I say it's a D-, if it's a top 5, Fail for sure
- AlfieisKing

Delete your account

Dorion has turned this poop franchise into a complete (frank)up.

Delete your account
- SwingersOfSultan

Everyone wants him to.

I'm not sure how the Matt Duchene deal is not an F.

Duchene wasn't that big of an improvement over Turris. You just draft top 5 this draft, and will be without Hoffman and more then likely Karlsson. You may have handed the Colorado Jack Hughes and on top of it Duchene is UFA after this season.
- VT001

That's why I said we have to wait and see. I can't give it an F just yet because something *might* happen.

That's why I said we have to wait and see. I can't give it an F just yet because something *might* happen.
- Trevor Shackles

You’ll comment on this and not Alfieisking welching on his bet?

Idk how you can evaluate it like that. The Senators are heading into a season, quite possibly, without Karlsson. They could bottom out and pick top-3; at the very least, top-5 seems likely. If Colorado ends up with that pick, this trade is a flat out F

Put another way, I think everyone agrees the Senators would have been better off not making that trade, right?
- jcragcrumple

at the time of the deal I was stoked about it......and as of today, Ottawa still has the best player from that deal (I don't care what anyone says, Duchene is a big upgrade over Turris).

If Duchene walks at the end of the year, if the pick ends up being higher than 5, if Karlsson leaves, if, if, if........a lot of things have to happen for Ottawa to lose that trade. Is it possible....sure.....but even if Ottawa doesn't win a single game all season, the Avs still have a better chance of picking 4th than picking 1st. By all accounts Duchene likes it here so I'd say there's a decent chance he'll re-sign. if Ottawa sucks (which they likely will) and Duchene hasn't re-signed, then you move him at the deadline. A center of his calibre will pull a premium at the deadline.....probably not what you got for him, but you'll be able to recoup a lot of what you gave up.

it's far too early to grade that trade.....hell, if Ottawa finishes 5th or 6th from the bottom (and there are some AWFUL teams in the league right now so it's very possible) and that picks ends up being 6th or 7th, and the Sens re-sign Duchene....I'd be happy with the deal.

He gave it a grade as it stands now. You want to give it an F based on situations that have not happened yet.
- Mpepe1084

How is it not an F as of now? The team bottomed out after the move and Duchene clearly didn't make the team better, and now there's no 1st in 2019.

I agree it could still turn out ok, but the Sens would have to make the playoffs this year, extend Duchene, and have him get 75 points

This one was by far the hardest to grade. I could easily be convinced to go as high as a B or as low as a C-, as there are so many complicating factors at play considering the circumstances. If the first round pick was in 2018 and in the high teens, then this trade would’ve been fine. However, there’s a real possibility that it will be a top-5 pick in 2019, and in that case, this trade could end up looking horrendous.

Plus Duchene is a UFA in 2019, so Ottawa might have to trade him for less than they gave up to get him. I was fine with losing Bowers, Duchene was an upgrade over Turris, and at the time, one of the main gripes I had with the trade was that they had to give up their first round pick as well:

Low as a C- ?

Holy (frank) dude, you could maybe go as high as a D and that is only if Duchene re-signs. If he doesn't, this becomes one of the very worst trades in NHL history; maybe the worst.

You’ll comment on this and not Alfieisking welching on his bet?
- YzermanTheMan

grow up and post something of value

Dream: Alfredsson, Phillips, Neil get together to buy Ottawa Senators as minority owners with a larger group.

Erik Karlsson 8, $ 90 million
Mark Stone 8, $ 61 million
Matt Duchene 8, $ 62 million