Not really, you have to backfill Vinnie's spot. He was going to make the team this year, likely as a Third line winger.
- kwolf68

The real value on the cap space comes next year and the year after where Kruger is UFA and Hossa would still be on the books. Kruger will play and while maybe overpaid, they lost 3 years of Hossa's contract.

Sounds like a variation of Hartman's criticisms which likely lead to him (Hartman, not Hinostroza) being traded because he supposedly yapped too much to coaches and/or management. IIRC, Hartman didn't think certain players were being used properly, whether positions played or line slotting. Could be wrong about this next part, but he may have even felt some of the core players would keep playing no matter what mistakes they made yet younger players would make one mistake and ride pine the rest of the game.
- AEL_Fox

May be confirmation bias on my part, but it seems we've had multiple players leaving the Hawks in past couple of years who've commented on how they were unclear on their role, felt yanked around or underutilized or unfairly sidelined for mistakes, etc. You also had the Captain, Hossa, and other vets saying how the constant line blender was affecting chemistry and ability to perform at an optimal level.

This was rarely done in prior years, but I guess winning cures all ills.

Goes back to my belief that Q needs to start fitting his system to the player skillset he has rather than trying to make the players fit a predefined system.

MacKenzie Entwistle will be at Blackhawks prospect camp next week.

Do they trade to take on salary and get draft picks or promising prospects OR do they go after a top 6 forward or a top 4 dman?

The next move will define where management believes the Hawks are.
- BetweenTheDots

I think whatever they do they will look longer term. JT Miller for instance is 25. If internally they think they can win in 2-3 yrs then a Miller type is 27/28 by then. If they make a trade to take Stralman money it would seem they would want a Raddysh type who is now 20 and fits in long term. Stralman/Raddysh for the equivalent of Daley and Garbutt but since they can't take back salary a low prospect and low draft pick.

Same as it cost the Hawks Johns to move Sharp money it will cost TB a Raddysh, or a high draft pick, to move Stralman money.

Yes, plus the big kid prospect Entwistle, a 99 F, played in the Ivan Hlinka and U-18 WJC for Canada.
- Mr Ricochet

Add Entwhistle to the list of potential Blackhawks prospects to play at the WJHC.

He was invited to the showcase camp.

We could have Beaudin, Mitchell and Entwhistle on Team Canada.

May be confirmation bias on my part, but it seems we've had multiple players leaving the Hawks in past couple of years who've commented on how they were unclear on their role, felt yanked around or underutilized or unfairly sidelined for mistakes, etc. You also had the Captain, Hossa, and other vets saying how the constant line blender was affecting chemistry and ability to perform at an optimal level.

This was rarely done in prior years, but I guess winning cures all ills.

Goes back to my belief that Q needs to start fitting his system to the player skillset he has rather than trying to make the players fit a predefined system.
- pdx2ord

Couldn't agree more.

With a full roster the Hawks have about $5.2 million in cap space. This is a weird feeling...it's been so long since the Hawks had cap space.
- DarthKane

Almost couldn't find them on CapFriendly. I had to scroll down.

My $0.08:

1) Like the move overall. I really liked Hino and what he brought, but at the end of the day, he was expendable.

2) My concern with getting Kruger back lies in Q's coaching and line management. I fear he will just go back to slotting certain guys into their perceived role instead of working to have the entire team play a structured system (no, the horse is not yet dead).

3) I can easily see people saying the exact same things in a year or two about Hino as they do about Danault. I'm guessing he will get, at minimum, middle six time (if not top six) in AZ. He will produce t a slightly higher rate than he did here, and Stan will get bludgeoned for the move. Hino might have been a good player to keep, but if he is the cost of moving Hossa's $, I'm all for it.

Add Entwhistle to the list of potential Blackhawks prospects to play at the WJHC.

He was invited to the showcase camp.

We could have Beaudin, Mitchell and Entwhistle on Team Canada.
- Justin Lowe

Did not know this. Very nice to have multiple guys like that in the pipeline....... Little by little they are adding these types all the while staying away from term on the cap.

Prudent patient building they will have solid players ready to play in 2-3 yrs and cap space.

Sounds like a variation of Hartman's criticisms which likely lead to him (Hartman, not Hinostroza) being traded because he supposedly yapped too much to coaches and/or management. IIRC, Hartman didn't think certain players were being used properly, whether positions played or line slotting. Could be wrong about this next part, but he may have even felt some of the core players would keep playing no matter what mistakes they made yet younger players would make one mistake and ride pine the rest of the game.
- AEL_Fox

Neither Hartman or Hinostroza are any loss whatsoever to an NHL team looking to retool themselves into a playoff team in the toughest division of the NHL.

I hope Stanbo gave both of them some graph paper and a pencil before leaving so they can draw their new coaches a diagram of how they should be slotted and utilized.

Both of them are high end AHL'ers not players a team wins Stanley Cups with. Good Luck and Good Riddance.

Sounds like a variation of Hartman's criticisms which likely lead to him (Hartman, not Hinostroza) being traded because he supposedly yapped too much to coaches and/or management. IIRC, Hartman didn't think certain players were being used properly, whether positions played or line slotting. Could be wrong about this next part, but he may have even felt some of the core players would keep playing no matter what mistakes they made yet younger players would make one mistake and ride pine the rest of the game.
- AEL_Fox

Neither Hartman or Hinostroza are any loss whatsoever to an NHL team looking to retool themselves into a playoff team in the toughest division of the NHL.

I hope Stanbo gave both of them some graph paper and a pencil before leaving so they can draw their new coaches a diagram of how they should be slotted and utilized.

Both of them are high end AHL'ers not players a team wins Stanley Cups with. Good Luck and Good Riddance.

Oh yeah, one more thing...

Is anyone else really nervous about our goalie situation right now? I don't think he is as bad as many here think (not to mention, I prefer to wait to see how goalies play in front of a new team), but If we have to rely on Ward for 30 games this year?

Add Entwhistle to the list of potential Blackhawks prospects to play at the WJHC.

He was invited to the showcase camp.

We could have Beaudin, Mitchell and Entwhistle on Team Canada.
- Justin Lowe

If the Hawks go out and get Erne from Tampa, they could have a future line of Erne, Ejdsell, and Entwhistle. Foley would have a field day with that.

I'd prefer that Ehlers, Eichel, and Eberle but that's fantasy.

Can't offer sheet players who filed for arbitration.
- BINGO!

You have a link to who filed for arbitration?

You have a link to who filed for arbitration?
- Mr Ricochet

https://www.nhl.com/news/...r-arbitration/c-299423134

Hossa $5,275,000
Hinostrza $1,500,00
Oesterle $650,00
$7,425,000

Kruger $2,775,000

$7,425,000
- $2,775,000
$4,650,000 extra cap space, I guess!
- walleyeb1

Correct, but that is for one yr Wally. If they don't resign Kruger next yr that opens up 8 mil for the START of next yrs offseason.

Almost couldn't find them on CapFriendly. I had to scroll down.
- Justin Lowe

With this trade going down today do see other moves being made soon? Any rumblings starting up now that hossa was traded about Faulk or even Truoba I mention that I would pass on Patch and skinner rather see them go after someone younger plus the hawks should be looking at teams that would like to shed salary might be able to acquire a really good young player.

Oh yeah, one more thing...

Is anyone else really nervous about our goalie situation right now? I don't think he is as bad as many here think (not to mention, I prefer to wait to see how goalies play in front of a new team), but If we have to rely on Ward for 30 games this year?
- Chunk

The upside is that while Ward doesn't have the best numbers he was 23-14-4 last season, which wasn't bad. I think sometimes it is about if a guy makes the save at the key time.

Neither Hartman or Hinostroza are any loss whatsoever to an NHL team looking to retool themselves into a playoff team in the toughest division of the NHL.

I hope Stanbo gave both of them some graph paper and a pencil before leaving so they can draw their new coaches a diagram of how they should be slotted and utilized.

Both of them are high end AHL'ers not players a team wins Stanley Cups with. Good Luck and Good Riddance.
- RickJ

I get they are not elite talents, but both were very good players on the Hawks. Hartman did a lot of the work that is needed in the corners and kept guys honest when on the ice. Hino was a 0.5 PPG player playing all over the lineup with minimal PP time.

People are allowed to not like how they are being used at work. I've left a couple different companies when I didn't think I was put in position to do anything worthwhile. Heaven forbid, they give an honest answer to a question.

Since tampa is desperate to get karlsson what about killhorn 4mill 5 yesrs left 27 speed size good offense upside and a lw. Don't know what the trade would look like and i would pass on patch and skinner. Need a rd puck moving d man . thoughts opinions welcomed.
- Scott1977

Know what Scott, no matter what anyone thinks of yours or anyone else's proposal the fact is they can logically afford these moves due to the cap space now available.

Opens ups 75% more of the playing field.

Killhorn makes any team better, that kind of IQ middle 6 player with decent skill. But IMO does not fit where the Hawks are now. A guy like him in 3 yrs? Yes, but IMO not now.

The upside is that while Ward doesn't have the best numbers he was 23-14-4 last season, which wasn't bad. I think sometimes it is about if a guy makes the save at the key time.
- breadbag

I hear you there. At the end of the day, it's all about results. I'm deferring to others here who would have seen him play (as I didn't see him once), in combination with the stats.

From what I've gathered, neither were all that great. Then again, I am only reading the comments in a Hockeybuzz blog...

Been looking into a couple things since the trade... sounds like CHI could actually look to help out TB with that Karlsson trade.

My contact didn't know what stage thatwas at or if the Hawks are that far along in talks... but maybe that idea I had about Stralman (or something similar) could come to fruition.

Would be nice to take advantage of someone's cap hell for once.

Depends on what type of surgery he had:

Sports hernia recovery time

About 90% of athletes who have surgery for a sports hernia are able to return to competition at the same level or higher to where they were prior to their injury. The timing of return to competition for laparoscopic surgery is typically within 6 weeks while for open surgery it is usually a few months to as long as 6 months.
- walleyeb1

"Sports Hernia" is an ambiguous diagnosis usually related to a chronic groin issue.

They could treat it like a regular hernia. There is also a procedure where they sever one of the adductors to increase range of motion another one where they sever a nerve.

Burnt two years of Scott Podsednik's career.

Kind of lingers like a back injury.

Don't forget, Hossa still has three years left on his contract so in comparison to Kruger, its the Hawks getting rid of $15.825,000 for Kruger's $2,775,000. You have to look past this years cap savings.
- spudrock512

Well said, spuds........And Kruger money is off the books next yr.

Trading Vinnie opens the door for this guy to return: