Rumors are Doughty signs 8 year 11 million per deal with Kings.

Rumors are Doughty signs 8 year 11 million per deal with Kings.
- kwolf68

Oh man, he will be 29 when that deal starts and 33 when he enters the back half of it. That could be a anchor depending how he handles the wear and tear.

Oh man, he will be 29 when that deal starts and 33 when he enters the back half of it. That could be a anchor depending how he handles the wear and tear.
- breadbag

I'd take Doughty at $11 mil over Karlsson/Tavares at the same cap hit. He hasn't missed a game since 2014 and is arguably the best 200ft dman in the game since Keith's one last run of dominance in 2015 playoffs.

I haven't read every post but:

1. Ward is a bad pickup at that age with his analytics at that price!
2. needing a top 6 forward - get in order one of JVR, Neal, or Perron
3. make trade for Falk and/or sign DeHaan
which necessitates moving AA and moving Hossa's salary or getting Falk after October 8th? start of season
4. I'd love to get beagle but he's going to get too much money and term somewhere else

Saad-Toews-Kane
JVR/Neal-Schmaltz-DeBrincat

Keith-Falk
DeHaan-Murphy
Ruuta-Swedish D

I'd take Doughty at $11 mil over Karlsson/Tavares at the same cap hit. He hasn't missed a game since 2014 and is arguably the best 200ft dman in the game since Keith's one last run of dominance in 2015 playoffs.
- EnzoD

Yeah, I get it. I'm just saying that 11 million might not look so good at 33-34 years old.

Ya but in 2022 Boquist and Beaudin can be those undersized puck movers who are bodied along the boards and let opposing forwards establish residence in front of the Hawks net. But they can dangle, skate and make a nice first pass....like Gustaffson.



- EnzoD

Well, then - how about in addition to making what the consensus seems to be were two very good picks there, they go out and get some bluelners to skate opposite them who can get the puck off the boards and in the corners.

Drafting The two Bs doesn’t preclude satisfying the need for some size and grit in other ways. I don’t see how they could pass up drafting the skater who most analysts seem to think was behind only Dahlin as a defenseman in his class with the highest potential top end.

From the internet:

The Kings now have ~$54M in 2020-21 cap space tied up in:

38 year old Ilya Kovalchuk
36 year old Dustin Brown
36 year old Jeff Carter
36 year old Dion Phaneuf
35 year old Jonathan Quick
33 year old Anze Kopitar
33 year old Alec Martinez
31 year old Drew Doughty

Who do we think is going to play on Kanes left side . Is there any free agents we can afford? Jvr I think will be too expensive and term too long
Saad perhaps
Any thoughts

ROUSSEL

Rick Dhaliwal (SportsNet)
@DhaliwalSports
I’m hearing Roussel with #Canucks could be a 4 year deal worth just a tad over 3 million dollars per season.

HAH Vancouver..

Well, then - how about in addition to making what the consensus seems to be were two very good picks there, they go out and get some bluelners to skate opposite them who can get the puck off the boards and in the corners.

Drafting The two Bs doesn’t preclude satisfying the need for some size and grit in other ways. I don’t see how they could pass up drafting the skater who most analysts seem to think was behind only Dahlin as a defenseman in his class with the highest potential top end.
- StLBravesFan

Upside vs as close to a sure thing as you could’ve gotten at 8 in Wahlstrom. Oliver had 40 goal upside, and will probably get a taste of NHL action when his college season ends. I hope Boquist fulfills his high end potential, but at his size with multiple confirmed concussions, it’s a risky pick IMO. Again, Erik Karlsson is a great Offensive player, but watching him defend is brutal at times. As long as checking is allowed, the 175lb Dman will have limitations in clearing the crease, and winning board battles. At best, Boquist is NHL ready when Kane is 33. I would’ve drafted the Right shot LW with size and skill and finishing ability to play with 8+88 as soon as next Spring.

EDIT: I really like the high end impact Boquist could have, and we are all hoping he gets there. Wahlstrom would’ve been more of a “win now/soon” pick, and Boquist is more of a rebuilding type pick IMO.

Upside vs as close to a sure thing as you could’ve gotten at 8 in Wahlstrom. Oliver had 40 goal upside, and will probably get a taste of NHL action when his college season ends. I hope Boquist fulfills his high end potential, but at his size with multiple confirmed concussions, it’s a risky pick IMO. Again, Erik Karlsson is a great Offensive player, but watching him defend is brutal at times. As long as checking is allowed, the 175lb Dman will have limitations in clearing the crease, and winning board battles. At best, Boquist is NHL ready when Kane is 33. I would’ve drafted the Right shot LW with size and skill and finishing ability to play with 8+88 as soon as next Spring.
- EnzoD

Yeah read good things about Boqvist but could you imagine Kane and Schmaltz feeding Wahlstrom and like you said most likely in less then a year.

Yeah, I get it. I'm just saying that 11 million might not look so good at 33-34 years old.
- breadbag

Check out our roster, and you'll see that 10.5 million at 29 doesn't look that good either.

Upside vs as close to a sure thing as you could’ve gotten at 8 in Wahlstrom. Oliver had 40 goal upside, and will probably get a taste of NHL action when his college season ends. I hope Boquist fulfills his high end potential, but at his size with multiple confirmed concussions, it’s a risky pick IMO. Again, Erik Karlsson is a great Offensive player, but watching him defend is brutal at times. As long as checking is allowed, the 175lb Dman will have limitations in clearing the crease, and winning board battles. At best, Boquist is NHL ready when Kane is 33. I would’ve drafted the Right shot LW with size and skill and finishing ability to play with 8+88 as soon as next Spring.
- EnzoD

It’s interesting that New York and Edmonton also passed on Wahlstrom. I’m wondering if he’s not the slam-dunk that people think he is.

The reality is that we don’t know who will be better between Boqvist and Wahlstrom or who will be ready first. Both players would be fine additions to the team so it’s not worth getting upset because Stan picked one over the other.

Boqvist gets a lot of Karlsson comparisons which is probably unfair. But if we compare Boqvist and Wahlstrom to two Blackhawks (during the Cup runs) in Keith and Sharp, who would you want to draft?

Upside vs as close to a sure thing as you could’ve gotten at 8 in Wahlstrom. Oliver had 40 goal upside, and will probably get a taste of NHL action when his college season ends. I hope Boquist fulfills his high end potential, but at his size with multiple confirmed concussions, it’s a risky pick IMO. Again, Erik Karlsson is a great Offensive player, but watching him defend is brutal at times. As long as checking is allowed, the 175lb Dman will have limitations in clearing the crease, and winning board battles. At best, Boquist is NHL ready when Kane is 33. I would’ve drafted the Right shot LW with size and skill and finishing ability to play with 8+88 as soon as next Spring.
- EnzoD

I wanted them to go for upside vs. sure thing with less top end.

They need to be replacing superstars from the last Cup run - Keith, Seabrook, Toews, Crawford.

Even the Wahlstrom comes up a year or two before Boqvist - given the “ifs” of comebacks to superstar status by the core and the “ifs” of all of the unproven youngsters - is this team ready to make a Cup run when Wahlstrom comes up after his college season? I’m thinking it’s a two-three year rebuild (retool - whatever) - I don’t think it’s likely that they’ll be able to bring in enough stars to make this a championship contender in the coming season - or the one after.

As for players they DO bring in - please, no one or two year “fixes” - if the guy isn’t going to be an important contributor in years 3-5 - pass. I’m not happy with Ward - don’t see that he will ever be a Cup contributor here - as I’ve said, I’d rather go with Forsberg behind an improving defense.

I usually like young players to marinate in Rockford for longer than most posters here - but Forsberg will be 26 by US Thanksgiving with most of four seasons (I think) in the “A” - time for him to show what he can do in the...uhhh...”Show”.

Check out our roster, and you'll see that 10.5 million at 29 doesn't look that good either.
- Dieselhead

In the upcoming years as the cap goes up towes hopefully gets back to what he was 3 years in some form and kane contacts wont look so bad la is f**k going forward Winnipeg tampa toronto Edmonton. Etc.. Will all feel the cap woes. Here is interesting comment. On sports show that show ass backwards the nhl and hard cap is.
"Only sport that punishes teams for developing young home grow talent then when time to pay said player or players half trade them away because teams can't afford them because of the hard cap"

In the upcoming years as the cap goes up towes hopefully gets back to what he was 3 years in some form and kane contacts wont look so bad la is f**k going forward Winnipeg tampa toronto Edmonton. Etc.. Will all feel the cap woes. Here is interesting comment. On sports show that show ass backwards the nhl and hard cap is.
"Only sport that punishes teams for developing young home grow talent then when time to pay said player or players half trade them away because teams can't afford them because of the hard cap"
- Scott1977

Owners love the hard cap - all of them, I would say - including Rocky - cost certainty - no matter what it does to the on-ice product.

Football has a hard cap - the difference being non-guaranteed contracts. Basketball would love to have it I’m guessing - but with (at least at this point) ever expanding TV contracts, they won’t go to war with the PA over it.

Just my guessing, tho....

Rumors are Doughty signs 8 year 11 million per deal with Kings.
- kwolf68

now would be a good time to see what it would take to get Martinez. He had instant chemistry with Murphy at the WC. They were pretty (frank)ing good together.

Owners love the hard cap - all of them, I would say - including Rocky - cost certainty - no matter what it does to the on-ice product.

Football has a hard cap - the difference being non-guaranteed contracts. Basketball would love to have it I’m guessing - but with (at least at this point) ever expanding TV contracts, they won’t go to war with the PA over it.

Just my guessing, tho....
- StLBravesFan

The hard cap was installed to placate the smaller markets and keep teams like Arz, Fla and the Canes afloat to stay in those markets.

Well, then - how about in addition to making what the consensus seems to be were two very good picks there, they go out and get some bluelners to skate opposite them who can get the puck off the boards and in the corners.

Drafting The two Bs doesn’t preclude satisfying the need for some size and grit in other ways. I don’t see how they could pass up drafting the skater who most analysts seem to think was behind only Dahlin as a defenseman in his class with the highest potential top end.
- StLBravesFan

And it's not like the Hawks prospects are devoid of size. They don't have many huge guys like Philly but they've got some tall guys who have decent weight.

Signed:
Dahlström (23) 6'4" 230
Gilbert (21) 6'2" 220
Tuulola (22) 6'1" 198
Raddysh (21) 6'0" 200
Hillman (22) 6'1" 195
Carlsson (20) 6'0" 190
Snuggerd (21) 6'0" 190
Forsling (22) 6'0" 186
Jokiharju (19) 6′ 0″ 185

Not Signed:
Laavainen (19) 6'0" 201
Shea (21) 6'1" 188
Krys (20) 6'0" 185

In comparison to the 2013 team's defenders, these guys fit right in: Keith 6'0" 192, Oduya 6'0" 193, Hjammer 6'3" 195, Leddy 6'0" 198, Rozsival 6'2" 210, and Seabrook 6'3" 220.

Obviously some of the higher touted guys are smaller (and some of the youngest) - Boqvist (5'11", 170), Mitchell (5'11", 180), Beaudin (5'11", 172) - but that doesn't mean the Hawks only select small d-men. No idea if any of these average to bigger guys make it but who knows. As long as there is a good mix and all of them selected for the team are useful, then people shouldn't be quite so worried about size of the defense down the line. Couple of Gilberts mixed it with the Mitchell's and they'll be fine.

The hard cap was installed to placate the smaller markets and keep teams like Arz, Fla and the Canes afloat to stay in those markets.
- Elbows15

Jacobs in Boston, Snyder in Philadelphia and other “big market” ownerships were strong hard liners for the hard cap - not just the small market crowd.

They all want the cost certainty of salary limits.

The hard cap was installed to placate the smaller markets and keep teams like Arz, Fla and the Canes afloat to stay in those markets.
- Elbows15

Maybe the smaller markets shouldn't have teams. The owners need to adapt, not the league.
Bettman needs to go!

Jacobs in Boston, Snyder in Philadelphia and other “big market” ownerships were strong hard liners for the hard cap - not just the small market crowd.

They all want the cost certainty of salary limits.
- StLBravesFan

Bottom line is, don't they control it by setting a budget? Again, owners need to adapt, not the league.

now would be a good time to see what it would take to get Martinez. He had instant chemistry with Murphy at the WC. They were pretty (frank)ing good together.
- Elbows15

Doughty's deal doesn't kick in until next season, so the Kings don't need to move anyone until then unless they're still hoping to add (Skinner, JVR?). They have 12 forwards + 6 d-men with $3.2m in cap space right now.

And Martinez is still their #2 d-man who is signed to a sweetheart deal at only $4m for a reasonable 3 more years. The only way they trade him is if they were getting back a younger d-man who played on the right (Martinez plays both sides so the Kings use him as a RD, esp cause of Phaneuf).

Wish we could get him but highly unlikely.

now would be a good time to see what it would take to get Martinez. He had instant chemistry with Murphy at the WC. They were pretty (frank)ing good together.
- Elbows15

Not a bad idea at all. Would be surprised to see a Kings/Hawks trade though.

From the internet:

The Kings now have ~$54M in 2020-21 cap space tied up in:

38 year old Ilya Kovalchuk
36 year old Dustin Brown
36 year old Jeff Carter
36 year old Dion Phaneuf
35 year old Jonathan Quick
33 year old Anze Kopitar
33 year old Alec Martinez
31 year old Drew Doughty
- mrpaulish

Marvelous. Outstanding. Bravo. Cool