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Todd Cordell
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.05.2011

Jun 21 @ 12:13 PM ET
Todd Cordell: On 17th overall and the NHL Awards
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jun 21 @ 12:22 PM ET
Todd- thoughts on Bode Wilde or Joe Veleno if they fall to 17? A lot of mocks seem to have them still on the board all of a sudden.
CaptCrankypants
New Jersey Devils
Location: None of your business
Joined: 04.27.2014

Jun 21 @ 12:29 PM ET
I still think Berggren or Sandin would be better choices.
dcetlin
New Jersey Devils
Location: Westfield, NJ
Joined: 02.19.2015

Jun 21 @ 12:32 PM ET
I think the only player I really don’t want is Bode Wilde at this point, keep seeing John Moore comparisons and I think we’ve had enough of John Moore

I really hope Denisenko falls to us but wouldn’t hate taking Miller or even Sandin if we go the D route tbh
Todd Cordell
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.05.2011

Jun 21 @ 12:33 PM ET
Todd- thoughts on Bode Wilde or Joe Veleno if they fall to 17? A lot of mocks seem to have them still on the board all of a sudden.
- smellmyfinger


Wilde will almost certainly be there but I think 17 is too high. Don't see Veleno being there. If he is, I'd still go with any of the three forwards I mentioned instead.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Tater tots go with everything, PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 21 @ 12:33 PM ET
"He finished just behind another winger in Claude Giroux, who was centered by Selke finalist Sean Couturier all season long."

This sounds like you are saying "Giroux had an easier time because he was riding with super Coots"?

Remember, Couturier had a super break out year. Giroux has shown he can do this in the past, so who helped who? Correct answer is both.

You can say Hall had no help, but we all know that is rubbish.
Todd Cordell
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.05.2011

Jun 21 @ 12:33 PM ET
I still think Berggren or Sandin would be better choices.
- CaptCrankypants


I need to see more of Berggren. Love Sandin but Miller is growing on me as well. Would be content with either.
Todd Cordell
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.05.2011

Jun 21 @ 12:34 PM ET
"He finished just behind another winger in Claude Giroux, who was centered by Selke finalist Sean Couturier all season long."

This sounds like you are saying "Giroux had an easier time because he was riding with super Coots"?

Remember, Couturier had a super break out year. Giroux has shown he can do this in the past, so who helped who? Correct answer is both.

You can say Hall had no help, but we all know that is rubbish.

- Glak18


You misunderstood me. I was pointing out two *wingers* finished top-7 in 1st team all star voting for centers lol. Was not at all knocking Giroux.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Jun 21 @ 12:36 PM ET
Devils need a Defender, but Miller is a offenceman turned D, which hasnt hampered his play, but he needs work on the D side of things.But from what i read about him, he pulls out crazy "forward" moves on the backend that always throws people off guard.
Todd Cordell
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.05.2011

Jun 21 @ 12:36 PM ET
Devils need a Defender, but Miller is a offenceman turned D, which hasnt hampered his play, but he needs work on the D side of things.But from what i read about him, he pulls out crazy "forward" moves on the backend that always throws people off guard.
- Leniwm1


I don't know. I've watched a few games and his defense seemed just fine to me, especially in the neutral zone. Really good at steering guys wide with his stick and sealing them off.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Tater tots go with everything, PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 21 @ 12:38 PM ET
You misunderstood me. I was pointing out two *wingers* finished top-7 in 1st team all star voting for centers lol. Was not at all knocking Giroux.
- Todd.Cordell


Ok thanks for clarification. I read that completely wrong then.

EDIT: Completely missed the last sentence. Remember people who vote just use the NHL video game for reference.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 21 @ 12:38 PM ET
"He finished just behind another winger in Claude Giroux, who was centered by Selke finalist Sean Couturier all season long."

This sounds like you are saying "Giroux had an easier time because he was riding with super Coots"?

Remember, Couturier had a super break out year. Giroux has shown he can do this in the past, so who helped who? Correct answer is both.

You can say Hall had no help, but we all know that is rubbish.

- Glak18


I think he was making the point that they were both considered centers in the voting despite neither of them primarily being a center this year.
Shampoo
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.20.2018

Jun 21 @ 12:40 PM ET
I need to see more of Berggren. Love Sandin but Miller is growing on me as well. Would be content with either.
- Todd.Cordell

Do you think we have any serious interest in a player like Dumba ? Would there be a fit and can we afford to give up the pieces required? Whatever they would be.
Todd Cordell
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.05.2011

Jun 21 @ 12:40 PM ET
Ok thanks for clarification. I read that completely wrong then.
- Glak18


No worries! I can see how you would have read it that way. Was not the intention at all, though.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jun 21 @ 12:42 PM ET
Todd- thoughts on Bode Wilde or Joe Veleno if they fall to 17? A lot of mocks seem to have them still on the board all of a sudden.
- smellmyfinger


Bode Wilde is ranked as low as the 60’s by many scouts...
vlongo4419
Season Ticket Holder
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Jun 21 @ 12:48 PM ET
Do you think we have any serious interest in a player like Dumba ? Would there be a fit and can we afford to give up the pieces required? Whatever they would be.
- Shampoo


I'm sure we have interest, but idk if we have enough to get a deal done, especially compared to the assets other teams have that need a d-man(like Toronto). We'd almost certainly get outbid imo.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 21 @ 12:52 PM ET
I'm sure we have interest, but idk if we have enough to get a deal done, especially compared to the assets other teams have that need a d-man(like Toronto). We'd almost certainly get outbid imo.
- vlongo4419


Since you guys lucked into Hischier (and we lucked into Patrick), would you consider moving Zacha as the centerpiece in a trade for him?
vlongo4419
Season Ticket Holder
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Jun 21 @ 12:59 PM ET
Since you guys lucked into Hischier (and we lucked into Patrick), would you consider moving Zacha as the centerpiece in a trade for him?
- jmatchett383


I would certainly move Zacha to get him. Obviously it'd cost a couple more prospects and a pick or two to bring him in, but I believe any deal made for a D of that caliber/upside will be centered around Zacha
Shampoo
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.20.2018

Jun 21 @ 1:01 PM ET
Since you guys lucked into Hischier (and we lucked into Patrick), would you consider moving Zacha as the centerpiece in a trade for him?
- jmatchett383

Im curious as to what other teams fans think Zachas value is. We seem to be unsure around here.
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 21 @ 1:07 PM ET
Is Miller NHL ready? Will anyone where we select be NHL ready?
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Jun 21 @ 1:11 PM ET
I still think Berggren or Sandin would be better choices.
- CaptCrankypants


Sandin seems like a fantastic choice if available. Speed is the future.
104shutout30
New Jersey Devils
Location: Holbrook, NY
Joined: 07.11.2007

Jun 21 @ 1:15 PM ET
I was really hoping for Kravstov. A couple months ago it seemed realistic at 17 but now it seems like he's going to go in the 10-15 range.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 21 @ 1:25 PM ET
Im curious as to what other teams fans think Zachas value is. We seem to be unsure around here.
- Shampoo


I'm not sure. As a young 2C, his production hasn't been terrible, but it's been unimpressive. That could have a lot to do with lack of depth on the wings, though. He seems like a fairly good defensive player, again, given his age.

If they did a 2015 redraft, he'd probably fall in the late teens I'd think. Lots of potential, but not a ton of return (production-wise) so far. I think you could get a late 1st value for him. Unless you are addressing an area of great need, I think you'd be better holding onto him.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jun 21 @ 1:25 PM ET
Im curious as to what other teams fans think Zachas value is. We seem to be unsure around here.
- Shampoo



If we traded him now, we would be doing it when his value is low. Unless someone loses their mind and offers something ridiculous for him we should hold him. The knock should be on the Devils for taking him 6th overall, not Zachas fault he was drafted that high, he will be a fine NHL player, just overshadowed by the fact that Provorov, Werenski and Rantanen went right behind him, not to mention Barzal much later.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 21 @ 1:32 PM ET
If we traded him now, we would be doing it when his value is low. Unless someone loses their mind and offers something ridiculous for him we should hold him. The knock should be on the Devils for taking him 6th overall, not Zachas fault he was drafted that high, he will be a fine NHL player, just overshadowed by the fact that Provorov, Werenski and Rantanen went right behind him, not to mention Barzal much later.
- smellmyfinger


I think the Devils saw him as a potential 1st line center, as Henrique and Zajac were stuck in neutral and they didn't have any top-end prospects in the pipeline to take their place. So while I agree that the pick was not a great one, I can see the reasoning. Still a bad pick, though; one which I will be eternally grateful for.

Edit: As much as I hate you guys, props to Hall. Also, you guys lucked out on Miles Wood. I hate playing against him; he's like a modern-day Randy McKay.
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