So trading a 30-35 point guy for nothing helps in your world? Makes sense. Guess Rinne being a sieve had nothing to do with it?
- Elbows15

Hartman was nothing special his sophomore year. Had trouble adjusting and to get a late 1st round pick for him, IMO, is a win for the hawks. IF they keep it and draft a player OR use it in a trade it's a nice asset.

Hartman, BTW, got scratched in the playoffs......2nd year in a row he was invaluable come playoff time. He was a ghost for the Hawks vs Nashville last year as so many hoped he would be a Shaw clone.

Hartman took at least 3 terrible penalties in the O-zone, was a healthy scratch multiple times, and was probably not a priority of Q or Stan's to resign as a RFA this summer. Lots of options with #27 overall...the Hawks could get another Jokiharju-level prospect at 27, or use 27 to trade into the Top 3, or use it as part of a trade to move Hossa's contract, or use it get Defense help....it looks even better. IF Ejdell can improve his strenght and skating and be a 3rd line depth scorer with size...looks like a clear win for Stan. I loved Hartman as a rookie but his game fell off a cliff last year, and he looked even worse with the Preds.
- EnzoD

Isn't Hartman supposed to have shoulder surgery in the offseason - perhaps a reason for his "healthy scratches"?

I remember looking at the Nashville newspaper for stuff about him after the games he was scratched by Laviolette - saw a couple of articles about him being scratched without mentioning any in jury - but since their elimination, Lady brought out that he would have the surgery in the summer, and I saw reference to it in a couple of media outlets.

I'm undecided about Hartman and the deal - I've seen not much more than "just a guy" - either here or in Music City - but after a pretty good 2016-17 - if his last season problems were because of shoulder problems....

Think this was posted but not sure. McKenzie's Bobcast talking about how a draft unfolds. Good listen if you have the time: https://www.tsn.ca/radio/...on-2-episode-20-1.1112948

Hartman took at least 3 terrible penalties in the O-zone, was a healthy scratch multiple times, and was probably not a priority of Q or Stan's to resign as a RFA this summer. Lots of options with #27 overall...the Hawks could get another Jokiharju-level prospect at 27, or use 27 to trade into the Top 3, or use it as part of a trade to move Hossa's contract, or use it get Defense help....it looks even better. IF Ejdell can improve his strenght and skating and be a 3rd line depth scorer with size...looks like a clear win for Stan. I loved Hartman as a rookie but his game fell off a cliff last year, and he looked even worse with the Preds.
- EnzoD

I stopped reading at healthy scratch. He wasn't. He had a serious shoulder injury which required shoulder and at least a 6 month recovery time. 27 isn't going to get you any of those things. Using it move Hossa's contract makes a bad trade even worse.

Hartman was nothing special his sophomore year. Had trouble adjusting and to get a late 1st round pick for him, IMO, is a win for the hawks. IF they keep it and draft a player OR use it in a trade it's a nice asset.

Hartman, BTW, got scratched in the playoffs......2nd year in a row he was invaluable come playoff time. He was a ghost for the Hawks vs Nashville last year as so many hoped he would be a Shaw clone.
- SteveRain

Hartman produced at the same level as his rookie season. They got a pick that maybe can help in 3-4 years for a useful player.

FYI. He played for the Hawks with a broken hand and he had a serious shoulder injury for the Preds which required surgery.

You, like most, are overvaluing the 27th pick. what it may do is allow Bowman to get a 2nd plus maybe a 3rd.

So trading a 30-35 point guy for nothing helps in your world? Makes sense. Guess Rinne being a sieve had nothing to do with it?
- Elbows15

Hartman + 5th round pick for a Ejdsell, a 1st round and 4th round. The 4th and 5th round picks are pretty close to equal considering the rounds and where the teams pick, but I don't see how Ejdsell and a 1st round pick are nothing.

Hartman isn't without his own merits but he seemed like he was a locker room issue. Also, he had a habit of taking bad penalties, so is it a big deal to get him out of the room?

Per TSN, Trotz walks away

https://www.tsn.ca/trotz-...-capitals-coach-1.1116217

Barry Trotz informed the organization today of his decision to resign as head coach of the Washington Capitals. We are obviously disappointed by Barry's decision, but would like to thank Barry for all his efforts the past four years and for helping bring the Stanley Cup to Washington. Barry is a man of high character and integrity and we are grateful for his leadership and for all that he has done for our franchise.

I stopped reading at healthy scratch. He wasn't. He had a serious shoulder injury which required shoulder and at least a 6 month recovery time. 27 isn't going to get you any of those things. Using it move Hossa's contract makes a bad trade even worse.
- Elbows15

Hartman was a ghost his sophomore year. He really seemed to struggle here.

It was almost like he couldn't decide what kind of player he should be. Instead, he showed glimpses of skill and grit, but he just didn't seem to put it all together.

I liked him a lot because I thought he was the type of guy the Hawks sorely lacked (when first called up), but I was OK with the trade.

Also - not making excuses, but a lot of dudes have injuries and surgeries they work through.

I think Dahlstrom has good upside to a bottom pair guy, and the depth at defense is a team's bread and butter to trade discard and move to the next while controlling the Cap.

The jury on Chad Krys is still out.

Both Russian forwards are sneaky good and eventually make an impact.

and will say it again...they are more valuable if the rookie starting cap figures now what, $950,000 apply...if they come later, they will want more and that just complicates matters, especially if the turn into Panarins and you are unable to sign and keep them because they are high ticket items.

I can't get the sight of the third one, Maxim Shalunov , sending a puck from the centre of his defensive zone not only over the opposing goalies head, but overall the glass for a delay of game penalty.
- wiz1901

Andrei Altybarmakyan is a 98 3rd rd and Artur Kayumov is also a 98 but a 2nd rd pick. The player Jason posted, Shalunov, is a 93 already and had a couple solid yrs in the KHL. So the two younger Cossacks we watched the last WJC U-20 are still upside prospects.

Looking at this makes one worry about drafting another Russian for fear they won't come over. The Kravstov kid as good as he looks gives pause as a Hawks fan.

Barry Trotz informed the organization today of his decision to resign as head coach of the Washington Capitals. We are obviously disappointed by Barry's decision, but would like to thank Barry for all his efforts the past four years and for helping bring the Stanley Cup to Washington. Barry is a man of high character and integrity and we are grateful for his leadership and for all that he has done for our franchise.
- walleyeb1

Wow!!!

Hartman + 5th round pick for a Ejdsell, a 1st round and 4th round. The 4th and 5th round picks are pretty close to equal considering the rounds and where the teams pick, but I don't see how Ejdsell and a 1st round pick are nothing.

Hartman isn't without his own merits but he seemed like he was a locker room issue. Also, he had a habit of taking bad penalties, so is it a big deal to get him out of the room?
- breadbag

who said he was a locker room issue? Edsjell is a nothing. The late 1st may turn out to be as useful as Hartman in 3-4 seasons. Fine. Nothing immediate. Better?

the exchange of late picks is useless. If both teams kept the picks, players taken have a pretty low chance of making the NHL.

Hartman was a ghost his sophomore year. He really seemed to struggle here.

It was almost like he couldn't decide what kind of player he should be. Instead, he showed glimpses of skill and grit, but he just didn't seem to put it all together.

I liked him a lot because I thought he was the type of guy the Hawks sorely lacked (when first called up), but I was OK with the trade.

Also - not making excuses, but a lot of dudes have injuries and surgeries they work through.
- Hank3Henshaw

How was he a ghost when he produced at the same level of his rookie season? Given the fact he yanked all over the place by Q, its amazing he had a decent season at all.

No one is claiming he is a star in the making. He will be a more useful player than Edsjell and the pick taken at 27 is my guess.

Hartman produced at the same level as his rookie season. They got a pick that maybe can help in 3-4 years for a useful player.

FYI. He played for the Hawks with a broken hand and he had a serious shoulder injury for the Preds which required surgery.

You, like most, are overvaluing the 27th pick. what it may do is allow Bowman to get a 2nd plus maybe a 3rd.
- Elbows15

Or they can package the pick for a better asset or to clear cap room (Hossa)

Lets wait until the weekend.

Or they can package the pick for a better asset or to clear cap room (Hossa)

Lets wait until the weekend.
- SteveRain

Clearing Hossa's contract with 27 is even dumber than making that trade in the first place. No one is gonna be drooling over the 27th pick. Get real here.

Maybe moving the 27th get you an early 2nd plus another 3rd.

Realizing each orgaIzation and where the club is competitively at that particular time I wonder your thoughts on this? Take a guy lower on your board, or spend resources to move up in the draft for one that's higher on your board, only cuz he will arrive on the NHL scene a yr earlier?

This is what I posted on the last blog that concerns me. StanBow has to be in survival mode and as a result may pay with the 27th and 3rd rd to move to 3 to draft a probably NHL ready Zadina in an effort to save his job. This instead of taking a very similar to Zadina Wahlstrom with the 8th, wait the yr or two for him to arrive, take a home run swing with the 27th on a Merkley or a solid prospect in Dellandrea/Hayton/Thomas/Sandin/Farabee type and with the 3rd a nice looking Tychonik/Ranta type.

I don't like the idea of using resources, or even take a lesser player, for a player that will arrive a yr or 2 earlier when talking about a player you'll have for 10-12 yrs. .....IIRC deep playoff and cup teams have multiple players who were taken in the same draft.

Rather see a club address now needs in the trade or free agent market not the draft where very very very few can help right now.
- Mr Ricochet

I agree with your points.

But do want to point out, most draft pick value tables I've seen would have that deal being basically even or in Blackhawks favor. So it wouldn't be Bowman overpaying necessarily, just making a deal based on his window not the teams.

Same here! That’s why I would love to see Stan Bowman trade back for Kevin Hayes, and then draft his cousin. I think those would be two solid big young strong forward for a lot of years. And some very good pedigree in the family bloodlines.
- wonthecup10

Well, I had a lot of animosity, mostly because of those "Free Jeremy Morin" (and let him get his NHL roster spot) and the fact he and his cabal of representative (from Fitzgerald and Tkachuk) said string them until the month and a half before you actually get free agency and THEN tell them.
I guess it didn't make a difference b/c the hawks could really peddle the rights (ala Jimmy Vesey, where the Press actually found a sucker in Buffalo and got a third rounder exactly what the invested in Vesey.

I am am not going the hard feelings route, but Hayes was already at 2.6 million unproven, unaccomplished, sure if it gets Brady Thachuk Chicago, yeah, maybe.
(and I am not sure where that salary with a bump fits, b/c Hayes probably wants a big raise.)

I love Brady want Brady, but the back of my mind, unless he agrees to a contract before another year of college or is given a guaranteed roster spot to learn on the job (and I think there IS a place for his energy to ignite Toews...and move Saader to RW...) but I wouldn't want to get burned on an early pick being discarded with the safety valve return being seconder round eight slots into a second round in 2020 or whenever.

But that all is speculative around Brady available,Kevin taking a reasonable second deal, and the rangers taking whatever the hawks are providing in the Ranger's rebuild.

It is easy to say add him and him...but the season is a progression...
you basically see all teams having to find and employ lesser lights or new arrivals form Euro leagues because you need you cap space fluid...
you got get the pieces that you access as necessary final blocks and THEY have the bigger deals.

I just don't know if this hawk team has room to carry a Hayes and keep him happy when they can go over and sign less expensive Euros or farmhands unless you can count Kevin Hayes as a dominant piece that tips the scale even though the cap hit is higher...

He’s drawn comparisons to Arvidsson due to the energy and tenacity in a small package.

Here’s my 2020/21 Hawks lineup...

Tkachuk-Schmaltz-Kane
Debrincat-Toews-Saad
Hinostroza/Sikura-Ejdsell-Hayden
Goon-Kampf-Grinder

Keith-Doughty
Jokiharju-Murphy
Forsling-Seabrook

Grubauer
Delia


- EnzoD

Enjoy last place

Saad is a must go

No proven Goalie is a set up for disaster like last year Grubby is this years Darling

- walleyeb1

A class guy with a class retort to handing him the Wait and see all season on his contract negotiations.
Good luck with the islanders!

Hartman was a ghost his sophomore year. He really seemed to struggle here.

It was almost like he couldn't decide what kind of player he should be. Instead, he showed glimpses of skill and grit, but he just didn't seem to put it all together.

I liked him a lot because I thought he was the type of guy the Hawks sorely lacked (when first called up), but I was OK with the trade.

Also - not making excuses, but a lot of dudes have injuries and surgeries they work through.
- Hank3Henshaw

Hartman produced on pace year over year though - the only difference was that he scored less because his sh% was down which was something that was wrong with 90% of the team. If so many of the team had a low sh%, it typically means it's a symptom of something higher than individual players.

Even if Hartman did have a sophomore slump (he didn't really), it's not out of the norm. Even guys like MacKinnon have them (he went from 63 to 38 points from year 1 to 2). If every team got rid of a player after a sophomore slump, then a lot of teams wouldn't have the rosters they currently do. Hartman isn't near MacKinnon's level, but he looked to be a solid useful player - something we don't know either Edjsell or whoever is taken at #27 will be (and if they are, it might be years before we see them). Personally, I just dislike moving proven useful players that could help with the team now for risk down the line. Just me.

On top of that, Hartman was 23 this past year, so if a player who hasn't "put it all together" by that age is to be written off, then I guess Edjsell is dead on entry since he is already 23. Kinda silly logic, no?

I've made by peace with the trade and we disagree about whether the return was good / the trade should have happened at all - but it seems a bit revisionist to claim Hartman was a bad or invisible player for the Hawks when he had a great rookie year and then had, at worst, a so-so one this past year when like pretty much all players on the Hawks were meh.

PS. For those who claim Hartman took bad penalties, not going to disagree in general, just that his penalty differential was positive. Most forwards on the team were though - only Toews and Martinsen were negative.

Clearing Hossa's contract with 27 is even dumber than making that trade in the first place. No one is gonna be drooling over the 27th pick. Get real here.

Maybe moving the 27th get you an early 2nd plus another 3rd.
- Elbows15

The draft is very deep. Of course people will be drooling over the 27th pick. It's a good trade asset if the Hawks decide to move if. If they hold onto it, they'll be able to draft quality talent at 27.

who said he was a locker room issue? Edsjell is a nothing. The late 1st may turn out to be as useful as Hartman in 3-4 seasons. Fine. Nothing immediate. Better?

the exchange of late picks is useless. If both teams kept the picks, players taken have a pretty low chance of making the NHL.
- Elbows15

First thing that "may" have been an indicator was when Hartman "accidentally" liked the tweet that Panik shouldn't be on the team earlier in the season. It is always an accident after the fact...

Add in his apparent issues with his playing time and his stints in the dog house as his role diminished. I could be wrong, but I think there was something there.

The full picture of this trade will play out in time with some of the following factors

- What will Hartman's new contract be
- What will Ejdsell bring in the next year or two
- What will the Hawks do with that extra 1st round pick.

What's a "meaningless" point?
- PatShart

A goal with 2 minutes remaining in the 3rd when your team is up or down 5-1?

Justin,
Will we have an anger management counselor available on draft night?