Just spit balling:

To Montreal:

AA
# 8 pick
# 27 pick
# 69 pick

To Chicago:

# 3 pick
# 35 pick
# 62 pick
- walleyeb1

Montréal will take Kotkamiemi at 3 searching for that elusive 1C, book it!

Justin and to all the father's out here on the board. Happy Father's day!
- BGKarras

Thanks BGK - Hope you are having a happy day too!

Montréal will take Kotkamiemi at 3 searching for that elusive 1C, book it!
- EnzoD

This is a HUGE draft for the Hawks and Bowman. Gotta nail that 1st round pick.

Lofty to compare any of these guys to Seabs as he’s a giant man at 6’3” 230lbs. He had to have been at least 215lbs when drafted and I think Dobson is like 6’3” 180 and Bouchard 6’2” 195lbs. I’m thinking Hawks will have the chance at one of Wahlstrom, Tkachuk or Kotkamiemi and hope they go with them IF available bc I see a lot of red flags for for Dobson and Bouchard....
- EnzoD

The question to Wiz, or anyone who remembers Seabs' draft yr and follows jrs, was what was Seabs' strengths and weaknesses coming into the draft and are Bouchard's or even Dobson's equivalent for comparisons/projections sake. If you find those comparisons unacceptable, all right shots, all Major Junior players, all 6ft+, none finesse players, all known to be responsible in their own zone, I'd be happy to look at who you find as an acceptable comparison should you choose to offer one/some.

Just looking at stats coming in as jrs Bouchard and Dobson blow Seabs out of the water but even in the short time of 10 yrs the D position has been revolutionized.

Cam Robinson on Bouchard:

“Bouchard had a tremendous third season in the OHL, completing his regular season with a whopping 87 points in 67 games. The point total represented the highest mark for any first-time draft-eligible skater in the CHL – not just defenders but all skaters.

Don't know if that is a misprint or I don't understand but McDavid had 120 points in his draft yr as he's saying Bouchard put up the most points EVER for a first yr draft eligible player at any position, and he did it as a Dman, in all of Major Junior.

Regardless it's said that Bouchard's skating is average so you're mostly buying his brain as that's what got him 87 points which are freakish numbers from the D slot. Back to a comparison for anyone who would remember what were the Hawks buying when they took Seabs 14th.

And sure get past Dahlin and Svech and they all have question marks, Dobson included, but the kid has excellent size, +skater, is a 2 way player and his numbers are what you want from a kid his size. Again I realize you find this unacceptable but I wonder what his comparison/projection is to Seabs' in his draft yr?

Bob McKenzie: “I can tell you this, Kotkaniemi got multiple votes in the top 5 from the 10 scouts I talked to, same thing with Dobson. Hughes and Bouchard had more than one mention as a top 5 prospect. Boqvist, Wahlstrom, Hayton & Kravtsov, all of them got a mention in top 5.”
- walleyeb1

Was just looking at his scouting reports and searched him out on video. Kid is 6ft 3in and projected around #15. A December birthday he played half a yr as a top 6 17 yr old on a final 4 KHL team. Amazingly quick release and this kid shows big time hands/dangles. Notice the move at :50 on a KHL defender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7YYNCC2ing

It's this kind of player I wonder if a team would trade out of the top 10 to acquire another late 1st or early 2nd rounder and then take a Kravtsov type in the spot with the flipped pick maybe mid teens.

He was 6’2” 221lbs
- walleyeb1

Thank you, sir..........

and a good RW for 19
- z1990z

Possibly a perfect RW for Saad-Toews - elite playmaker with good speed and decent enough defensively. He could be a Kane-lite for Toews.

McKenzie: “Multiple scouts have Zadina falling out their top 5 now, I don’t think it’s cause he has done anything wrong with his game, but I think it’s cause the centremen (Kotkaniemi, Hayton) and d-men (Boqvist, Hughes, Bouchard, Dobson) have really stepped up.”
- walleyeb1

Assuming the Hawks are targeting a forward this is a good thing if all those Dmen go before the 8th spot. ........ Still say they covet Wahlstrom.

First I heard Hayton rising like that unless it's just smoke or a couple teams are going to draft for need regardless of how they have the talent ranked.

Just spit balling:

To Montreal:

AA
# 8 pick
# 27 pick
# 69 pick

To Chicago:

# 3 pick
# 35 pick
# 62 pick
- walleyeb1

IMO only if you covet Zadina that much and then it might cost a bit more than you posted, I think. I don't think there is anyway Zadina falls out of the top 5. Top 5 skills, body, shot, hands and is said a real character guy.

This is a HUGE draft for the Hawks and Bowman. Gotta nail that 1st round pick.
- z1990z

Yes and yes, regardless of position.

Thanks BGK - Hope you are having a happy day too!
- powerenforcer

Thanks Buddy!

Possibly a perfect RW for Saad-Toews - elite playmaker with good speed and decent enough defensively. He could be a Kane-lite for Toews.
- L_B_R

In a comparison of Svech and Zadina saw a shot chart that showed Zadina scored a whole lot from the circles whereas Svech scored from both the slot and circles. Did you see that?

That's not in anyway to say Zadina is a perimeter player as by all counts I've read he's stronger than his 195 lb frame would suggest.

The question to Wiz, or anyone who remembers Seabs' draft yr and follows jrs, was what was Seabs' strengths and weaknesses coming into the draft and are Bouchard's or even Dobson's equivalent for comparisons/projections sake. If you find those comparisons unacceptable, all right shots, all Major Junior players, all 6ft+, none finesse players, all known to be responsible in their own zone, I'd be happy to look at who you find as an acceptable comparison should you choose to offer one/some.

Just looking at stats coming in as jrs Bouchard and Dobson blow Seabs out of the water but even in the short time of 10 yrs the D position has been revolutionized.

Cam Robinson on Bouchard:

“Bouchard had a tremendous third season in the OHL, completing his regular season with a whopping 87 points in 67 games. The point total represented the highest mark for any first-time draft-eligible skater in the CHL – not just defenders but all skaters.

Don't know if that is a misprint or I don't understand but McDavid had 120 points in his draft yr as he's saying Bouchard put up the most points EVER for a first yr draft eligible player at any position, and he did it as a Dman, in all of Major Junior.

Regardless it's said that Bouchard's skating is average so you're mostly buying his brain as that's what got him 87 points which are freakish numbers from the D slot. Back to a comparison for anyone who would remember what were the Hawks buying when they took Seabs 14th.

And sure get past Dahlin and Svech and they all have question marks, Dobson included, but the kid has excellent size, +skater, is a 2 way player and his numbers are what you want from a kid his size. Again I realize you find this unacceptable but I wonder what his comparison/projection is to Seabs' in his draft yr?
- Mr Ricochet

My main point was the physical stature of Seabs as far as weight is not comparable as he had 25lbs on Bouchard and 40lbs on Dobson when drafted.

Thank you, sir..........
- Mr Ricochet

Interesting read on the Seabrook pick.

https://www.habseyesonthe...takes-tough-road-to-sixth

In a comparison of Svech and Zadina saw a shot chart that showed Zadina scored a whole lot from the circles whereas Svech scored from both the slot and circles. Did you see that?

That's not in anyway to say Zadina is a perimeter player as by all counts I've read he's stronger than his 195 lb frame would suggest.
- Mr Ricochet

Yeah, Zadina is more of sniper with playmaking ability. The fact that he is a pure goal scorer is great but the playmaking is what makes him more interesting to me because that would be ideal for Saad-Toews. Saad, for example, was one of the best at shooting from the slot this past season in the league but wasn't scoring much - could a better setup player help? If so, you'd have a good balance of shot volume, playmaking, and sniper between Saad-Toews-Zadina.

I still don't think Zadina falls anywhere close to the Hawks' pick, though.

Yeah, Zadina is more of sniper with playmaking ability. The fact that he is a pure goal scorer is great but the playmaking is what makes him more interesting to me because that would be ideal for Saad-Toews. Saad, for example, was one of the best at shooting from the slot this past season in the league but wasn't scoring much - could a better setup player help? If so, you'd have a good balance of shot volume, playmaking, and sniper between Saad-Toews-Zadina.

I still don't think Zadina falls anywhere close to the Hawks' pick, though.
- L_B_R

IF Montréal goes D or C at 3 it could make 4-7 VERY interesting....

Just throwing this out there:

DCAT 27TH AND 3RD FORSLING OR MITCHELL FOR TROUBA AND LOWERY OR HANAFIN ROY/ MCGINN OR SAME TRADE BUT FOR ROR AND 2ND OR PROSPECT

Is a Zadina a guy we take if he is there at 8?
- z1990z

There is NO possible way he is available that far down...maybe 5th slot, but no more...

McKenzie: “Multiple scouts have Zadina falling out their top 5 now, I don’t think it’s cause he has done anything wrong with his game, but I think it’s cause the centremen (Kotkaniemi, Hayton) and d-men (Boqvist, Hughes, Bouchard, Dobson) have really stepped up.”
- walleyeb1

yeah...don't believe it...multiple scouts don't also.

The question to Wiz, or anyone who remembers Seabs' draft yr and follows jrs, was what was Seabs' strengths and weaknesses coming into the draft and are Bouchard's or even Dobson's equivalent for comparisons/projections sake. If you find those comparisons unacceptable, all right shots, all Major Junior players, all 6ft+, none finesse players, all known to be responsible in their own zone, I'd be happy to look at who you find as an acceptable comparison should you choose to offer one/some.

Just looking at stats coming in as jrs Bouchard and Dobson blow Seabs out of the water but even in the short time of 10 yrs the D position has been revolutionized.

Cam Robinson on Bouchard:

“Bouchard had a tremendous third season in the OHL, completing his regular season with a whopping 87 points in 67 games. The point total represented the highest mark for any first-time draft-eligible skater in the CHL – not just defenders but all skaters.

Don't know if that is a misprint or I don't understand but McDavid had 120 points in his draft yr as he's saying Bouchard put up the most points EVER for a first yr draft eligible player at any position, and he did it as a Dman, in all of Major Junior.

Regardless it's said that Bouchard's skating is average so you're mostly buying his brain as that's what got him 87 points which are freakish numbers from the D slot. Back to a comparison for anyone who would remember what were the Hawks buying when they took Seabs 14th.

And sure get past Dahlin and Svech and they all have question marks, Dobson included, but the kid has excellent size, +skater, is a 2 way player and his numbers are what you want from a kid his size. Again I realize you find this unacceptable but I wonder what his comparison/projection is to Seabs' in his draft yr?
- Mr Ricochet

Here is the thing: Seabrook played with an injury that draft season
and still had these stats
2002-03 Lethbridge Hurricanes WHL 69 9 33 42 113 -14

At the draft, Pierre mcQuire and I were having conversation and he said Seabrook feet push and balance was world class, but he was playing that season under the duress of an injury, and many of his outings did nothing to his light his skills as a defender.
This isn't some made up this by me...I be darned I really can't remember if it was ankle or what the issue was but that's what got him down to #14 and not in the conversation son the guys above Dion Phaneuf Braydon Coburn or Ryan Suter...if that helps what you are trying to do

I still don't think Zadina falls anywhere close to the Hawks' pick, though.
- L_B_R

I really don't either-don't care what someone told bob McKenzie...

the kid can fire the biscuit with little effort, is always working, stays with his checks and read and reacts so well.

Assuming the Hawks are targeting a forward this is a good thing if all those Dmen go before the 8th spot. ........ Still say they covet Wahlstrom.

First I heard Hayton rising like that unless it's just smoke or a couple teams are going to draft for need regardless of how they have the talent ranked.
- Mr Ricochet

No smoke...there are scouts that feel the upside is beyond the second line tag, and he has all these Toews-like qualities.

He controls play.

waits waits waits....make the play.

Let's hope someone likes him before slot 8, it helps!

Was just looking at his scouting reports and searched him out on video. Kid is 6ft 3in and projected around #15. A December birthday he played half a yr as a top 6 17 yr old on a final 4 KHL team. Amazingly quick release and this kid shows big time hands/dangles. Notice the move at :50 on a KHL defender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7YYNCC2ing

It's this kind of player I wonder if a team would trade out of the top 10 to acquire another late 1st or early 2nd rounder and then take a Kravtsov type in the spot with the flipped pick maybe mid teens.
- Mr Ricochet

It makes me kinda wonder if he wants to come over, or does he wait until he longer is bridled to the entry level deal and money...so if you draft him, and he stays is Russia, and you get him at 25 you are paying planarian money...that's the rub.

Montréal will take Kotkamiemi at 3 searching for that elusive 1C, book it!
- EnzoD

see my draft on Draftsite...

Interesting read on the Seabrook pick.

https://www.habseyesonthe...takes-tough-road-to-sixth
- walleyeb1

Again, thank you sir............ My guess is Seabs was solid, solid period. Nothing "jumped out" just did everything good nothing exceptional except maybe his shot, had good size and average skating.

On paper reminds me of Bouchard except he had 43 more points than Seabs in their draft yrs, Seabs is an inch taller and 21lbs heavier. Solid, RH shots, average skaters, Major Junior, 6ft+, take care of their end, big shots.

But looking at the draft GM's did well, not many busts. Franchise changing draft for ANA getting Getzlaf and Perry in the 1st rd. Helluva 1st rd: https://www.eliteprospect...raft/nhl-entry-draft/2003